Gradiator with the ebony blade Vs. Morg with WOL

Oh yeah and If you would be so kind Carver, who are all of these people that believe that Gladiator would beat Morg. Zop? He didn't seem to press the subject once he really realized the staggering difference in power between these two, and opted for the whoever gets in the first hit wins.

And there is the person that started the thread, who also didn't seem to place a strong argument. However there were people that said things like Morg would Obliterate Gladiator. The sword does not matter when you have an omni blast capable of enveloping an entire planet. And if Morg can hurt the guys that he nearly killed, he can certainly hurt Gladiator.

Originally posted by Stoic
who are all of these people that believe that Gladiator would beat Morg. Zop? He didn't seem to press the subject once he really realized the staggering difference in power between these two, and opted for the whoever gets in the first hit wins.

Morg doesn't need the WoL upgrade to kill Gladiator w/EB. Gladiator needs the EB to kill Morg.

My whole point is, the EB is such a powerful weapon that it gives Gladiator the power he needs to kill Morg, if he connects before Morg does.

Whoever strikes first, wins.

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I understood that as well from the start. But, when has Gladiator flew around carrying a weapon? What is his experience with weapons? Morg is a proven sword/axe wielding warrior. Morg would likely disarm (in more than one way) Gladiator like he did to Terrax. Terrax is a proven weapon wielding character. When has he ever not been seen with one except for when Morg broke his axe? Morg also has other powers that could stop Gladiator from ever getting close to him, and that was my point from the start. Based on logic, and evidence of superior fighting ability with weapons, Morg should take a vast majority to the point of being able to take the Ebony Blade from Gladiator, and kill him with it.

Gladiator was trained by deathbird who is highly skilled in armed and un-armed combat, im sure he knows how to use a simple weapon as a sword. The black blade only needs one hit to take out morg and gladiators speed is far greater than morgs. It matters not if your foe is morg or even tyrant if all you need to do is make one contact with a weapon to end a fight.

Skill doesn't really have much to do with it at the speeds people would be going at.

Originally posted by JBL
Gladiator was trained by deathbird who is highly skilled in armed and un-armed combat, im sure he knows how to use a simple weapon as a sword. The black blade only needs one hit to take out morg and gladiators speed is far greater than morgs. It matters not if your foe is morg or even tyrant if all you need to do is make one contact with a weapon to end a fight.

The Waters of Life make Morg a very difficult character to kill. The Cosmic Awareness that he has would give him the edge needed to block a sword strike. Where was it written that Deathbird gave him lessons, and how does this make him a better fighter than someone who was a warrior for his entire life? do you think a few lessons would make up the difference in experience?

Why can't Morg use an omni blast to stun or outright kill Gladiator? Can someone answer these questions? All I seem to read is that Gladiator is faster, while no one ever thinks that universal awareness can help a character from being killed by a far weaker opponent?

Yes Gladiator does have a chance, but Morg based on stats, and power set has more of a chance of winning this. on panel feats arent the end all and be all. Morg proved that he can launch attacks capable of one shot destroying large planets, and do it casually. What happens if he turns up the power? Can someone please address these points because more movement speed is not doing it for me, when Heralds can dodge dense asteroid fields while moving at FTL speeds.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Skill doesn't really have much to do with it at the speeds people would be going at.

Can you explain what you mean here?

If somebody fires a sniper bullet at my head, it doesn't have to be skilled in order to hit me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If somebody fires a sniper bullet at my head, it doesn't have to be skilled in order to hit me.

What if you saw the trigger finger squeeze the trigger before the guy picks up the gun? Universal Awareness, or Cosmic Awareness has this effect. Morg as well as all of the Heralds were gifted with this power. This is how they find planets that are either useful to Galactus or non useful to him. So if Morg has knowledge going in the fight qwith Gladiator per forum rules and what he is holding in his hand, and the damage that can be done to him mixed with his universal awareness, What stops him from blasting the hell out of him before he even gets close enough to swing the blade? What stop him from blocking the blades stroke with his own weapon before it ever makes contact if he know before the swing ever begins? I'm not saying that he can't be hit, but people aren't taking into consideration that Morg could hit him before he ever gets close either. Do you think that this is reasonable? Do you think that Morg has the ability to end this before it begins due to power set?

Will I quit? Probably not. At least not until someone properly addresses Morg's abilities despite their dislike of the character.

Ok, so IYO, Morg will know exactly what Gradiator will do with the Ebony Brade, and as soon as the bell goes, will take actions to counter it?

I am not as au fait as others with Morg, so some scans wil be nice. What reaction feats does he have? Knowing that someone is about to do something, and actually doing something about it, are two different things.

I ask because obv, as per forum rules, he cannot do anything BEFORE the bell goes, so both opponents will start at the same level. So before the bell goes, he cannot take any actions.

Back to my (hamfisted) analogy, Morg KNOWS (assuming the CA works the way you say it does) that Gladiator is going to speedblitz him coming in from the left at a 35 degree angle, blade outstretched and try and take his head off (or whatever). He can't do anything about it, though.

*Ding ding* the bell rings.

Gladiator speeds off exactly as the CA said it would. Now, does Morg have the reaction speed to duck/move/disarm a speeding Gladiator?

When has morg displayed CA?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, so IYO, Morg will know exactly what Gradiator will do with the Ebony Brade, and as soon as the bell goes, will take actions to counter it?

I am not as au fait as others with Morg, so some scans wil be nice. What reaction feats does he have? Knowing that someone is about to do something, and actually doing something about it, are two different things.

I ask because obv, as per forum rules, he cannot do anything BEFORE the bell goes, so both opponents will start at the same level. So before the bell goes, he cannot take any actions.

Back to my (hamfisted) analogy, Morg KNOWS (assuming the CA works the way you say it does) that Gladiator is going to speedblitz him coming in from the left at a 35 degree angle, blade outstretched and try and take his head off (or whatever). He can't do anything about it, though.

*Ding ding* the bell rings.

Gladiator speeds off exactly as the CA said it would. Now, does Morg have the reaction speed to duck/move/disarm a speeding Gladiator?

He would not know to the point of Professor Xavier scanning his mind, but more like Spider Man although at a greater degree. This is what the CA means in the Marvel Universe from my understanding. How do you think that the Heralds are able to dodge densely packed asteroid fields while flying non stop at above FTL speeds? Was Morg the only Herald that Galactus did not annoint with this ability despite him saying on panel that he infused Morg with enough power to rival the Surfer? You see my point?

As for this speed situation, Morg is just as fast in terms of travelling speed as Gladiator is unless Gladiator can move through space faster than the Surfer. Morg was able to overtake the Surfer in their first encounter, and beat the hell out of him. I don't do scans, because I don't have those books with me. but there is enough on Morg out there to google him up, and get a decent understanding of him, and just how much more powerful he was. It should also be known what exactly the Water of Life did to him, and how they could heal just about any injury by just being splashed by them. Morg submerged himself, and that was never meant to happen. When he did this he went from rivaling the Surfer to dwarfing him in power. This is why I stated that killing him would be very difficult even with the Ebony Blade. So if Morg is able to fly through a dense asteroid field doing better than FTL speeds, and not get hit by even one pebble, what would his chances be of dodging a swipe from Gladiator while also being able to keep up with his flight speed? What stops Morg from omni blasting Gladiator?

Originally posted by abhilegend
When has morg displayed CA?

All of the Heralds use CA in order to locate planets or do simple things like navigate the space ways. This has been mentioned time and again.

Originally posted by Stoic
He would not know to the point of Professor Xavier scanning his mind, but more like Spider Man although at a greater degree. This is what the CA means in the Marvel Universe from my understanding. How do you think that the Heralds are able to dodge densely packed asteroid fields while flying non stop at above FTL speeds? Was Morg the only Herald that Galactus did not annoint with this ability despite him saying on panel that he infused Morg with enough power to rival the Surfer? You see my point?

As for this speed situation, Morg is just as fast in terms of travelling speed as Gladiator is unless Gladiator can move through space faster than the Surfer. Morg was able to overtake the Surfer in their first encounter, and beat the hell out of him. I don't do scans, because I don't have those books with me. but there is enough on Morg out there to google him up, and get a decent understanding of him, and just how much more powerful he was. It should also be known what exactly the Water of Life did to him, and how they could heal just about any injury by just being splashed by them. Morg submerged himself, and that was never meant to happen. When he did this he went from rivaling the Surfer to dwarfing him in power. This is why I stated that killing him would be very difficult even with the Ebony Blade. So if Morg is able to fly through a dense asteroid field doing better than FTL speeds, and not get hit by even one pebble, what would his chances be of dodging a swipe from Gladiator while also being able to keep up with his flight speed? What stops Morg from omni blasting Gladiator?

All of the Heralds use CA in order to locate planets or do simple things like navigate the space ways. This has been mentioned time and again.

Also EB would cleave his axe in half and kill him in one hit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, you have no instances of morg doing so? Because Galactus had pointed him to the planets in Marz's run.

Also EB would cleave his axe in half and kill him in one hit.

Actually Morg found Bastian on his own. This is the world that the Waters were on. Also The Blade does not penetrate everything, so don't be so matter of factly on this OK. If so it should have blown right through America's shield.

Originally posted by Stoic
He would not know to the point of Professor Xavier scanning his mind, but more like Spider Man although at a greater degree. This is what the CA means in the Marvel Universe from my understanding. How do you think that the Heralds are able to dodge densely packed asteroid fields while flying non stop at above FTL speeds? Was Morg the only Herald that Galactus did not annoint with this ability despite him saying on panel that he infused Morg with enough power to rival the Surfer? You see my point?

As for this speed situation, Morg is just as fast in terms of travelling speed as Gladiator is unless Gladiator can move through space faster than the Surfer. Morg was able to overtake the Surfer in their first encounter, and beat the hell out of him. I don't do scans, because I don't have those books with me. but there is enough on Morg out there to google him up, and get a decent understanding of him, and just how much more powerful he was. It should also be known what exactly the Water of Life did to him, and how they could heal just about any injury by just being splashed by them. Morg submerged himself, and that was never meant to happen. When he did this he went from rivaling the Surfer to dwarfing him in power. This is why I stated that killing him would be very difficult even with the Ebony Blade. So if Morg is able to fly through a dense asteroid field doing better than FTL speeds, and not get hit by even one pebble, what would his chances be of dodging a swipe from Gladiator while also being able to keep up with his flight speed? What stops Morg from omni blasting Gladiator?

All of the Heralds use CA in order to locate planets or do simple things like navigate the space ways. This has been mentioned time and again.

But comics are a poor example to use of his dodging/CA linking. Because in a comic, he can use CA (assuming he does, but am assuming atm that he does, and DOES use it in the manner you speak of), he can use CA, plan a route, and adjust his route accordingly. Your example of Spiderman is a good one. It all depends at which point he adjusts his FTL flight route to avoid the asteroids. Here, he cannot do anything until the bell goes

In the forum fight, he'd have to be able to react when the asteroid is right on top of him. Can he?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But comics are a poor example to use of his dodging/CA linking. Because in a comic, he can use CA (assuming he does, but am assuming atm that he does, and DOES use it in the manner you speak of), he can use CA, plan a route, and adjust his route accordingly. Your example of Spiderman is a good one. It all depends at which point he adjusts his FTL flight route to avoid the asteroids. Here, he cannot do anything until the bell goes

In the forum fight, he'd have to be able to react when the asteroid is right on top of him. Can he?

They can all perform such feats. the Surfer spoke to Terrax about those touched by Galactus when Terrax tried to fool him into believing that he was going to kill himself by throwing himself off of a cliff. Now this has nothing to do with dodging, but it gives us a clear picture that those touched by Galactus have base traits. Like I said, they can be hit, and have been many times, but so has Spider Man. The thing here is that if they are able to dodge space debris (and there is a lot of that stuff in space) moving at those speeds, why would Morg not be able to see Gladiator, and match his speed? How about we take the pressure off of Morg a bit, and look at this from Morg's perspective. The Ebony Blade is about 30-36 inches from tip to hilt. Morg can emit blasts capable of encompassing entire planets and destroying them as he did on panel when he destroyed Planet Bastion. Who has the larger reach?

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually Morg found Bastian on his own. This is the world that the Waters were on. Also The Blade does not penetrate everything, so don't be so matter of factly on this OK. If so it should have blown right through America's shield.

Also Cap's shield is vastly more durable than Morg's axe. Its no question at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't.

Also Cap's shield is vastly more durable than Morg's axe. Its no question at all.

Are you saying that Morg never found a planet for Galactus?

Are you saying that Galactus was with Morg when he went to Bastian?

Are you saying that Glactus told Morg where the Surfer was when he found him, and beat the hell out of him?

When was Morg's axe ever compromised?

Before you answer the last question, you had better be sure that the axe that Bob broke was not Morg's because Morg's axe was double headed, and the one that Bob snapped was single headed.Terrax had a poor retcon, due to writers not studying his history (Zop knows). They didn't even bother to show Galactus returning him to his original level of power, and as far as history is concerned he is still depowered from his disobedient behavior against the Earth in spite of his Masters warnings. I hope you make sure of your next words.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that Morg never found a planet for Galactus?

Are you saying that Galactus was with Morg when he went to Bastian?

Are you saying that Glactus told Morg where the Surfer was when he found him, and beat the hell out of him?

When was Morg's axe ever compromised?

Before you answer the last question, you had better be sure that the axe that Bob broke was not Morg's because Morg's axe was double headed, and the one that Bob snapped was single headed.Terrax had a poor retcon, due to writers not studying his history (Zop knows). They didn't even bother to show Galactus returning him to his original level of power, and as far as history is concerned he is still depowered from his disobedient behavior against the Earth in spite of his Masters warnings. I hope you make sure of your next words.

Surfer went to Galactus in search for Nova. Morg didn't find him.

Morg has never displayed CA. He was an idiot who went h2h with everyone and never thought about consequences. FFS he tried to fight Galactus in his mortal guise.

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His axe has no showings that even shows it to be near Cap's shield. Quit randomly granting powers to characters and weapons.

Originally posted by Stoic
They can all perform such feats. the Surfer spoke to Terrax about those touched by Galactus when Terrax tried to fool him into believing that he was going to kill himself by throwing himself off of a cliff. Now this has nothing to do with dodging, but it gives us a clear picture that those touched by Galactus have base traits. Like I said, they can be hit, and have been many times, but so has Spider Man. The thing here is that if they are able to dodge space debris (and there is a lot of that stuff in space) moving at those speeds, why would Morg not be able to see Gladiator, and match his speed? How about we take the pressure off of Morg a bit, and look at this from Morg's perspective. The Ebony Blade is about 30-36 inches from tip to hilt. Morg can emit blasts capable of encompassing entire planets and destroying them as he did on panel when he destroyed Planet Bastion. Who has the larger reach?

Looking at it from Morg's perspective is what gets you killed.

So now that's Morg's MO, to start the fight mass spamming AoE attacks?