Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Originally posted by Robtard
Q isn't in the films. Be mad again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quanchi112,

Not that you knew who Q was when you first made the thread, but if you're going to bring in beings like Q and Uxbridge (look him up) now, what's the point? It's a spite thread. ST stomp-wins with the Q and/or Uxbridge, end of thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I knew about Q since before I made the thread. That's why I made it the way I did. He wanted to say including it all Star Wars wins when that simply isn't the case. I am correct and a fair minded individual, ese.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I would actually be minimally impressed if you had seen any films besides NuTrek and Harry Potter.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, because is says Long Long ago that means what exactly. I thought it was rather obvious Star Wars was futuristic technology wise. That was why it was so cool back then, and even now. Technology wise no way is Star Wars in the past

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
As its blasters not lightning. 😂 Darth Vader.

So one person does something that is actually possible that he has injuries in episode 7 you call palaptines lightning weak. Let's put his prime into this and see how weak it is.

Concession accepted is all that can be said for that paragraph.

It's Luke not Luie. You've cited one example and he's special. He has the second most raw potential of all Star Wars after his father when he was Anakin so naturally it's not that far fetched to say he could use the ability. Also you said Anakin used it when he was a Jedi so that means all Jedi can use it. Listen to yourself. The majority of people we see use it are SITH. Luke is the only force weilder who has used it without the need of anger or any other dark side emotion and he's special. Anakin tapped into his dark side power and used it. Fact. Well you wanna know what they have that obi doesn't.
1) Windu. Dark side channeling and his people are more tuned to the dark side.
2) Obi doesn't have a midiclorian count as high as Luke or Anakin. So not as high raw power.
3)Obi is more of a peaceful being so why would he ever use a more aggressive ability. The only other Jed to do that is Luke and he's the chosen ones son.
Also obi has never done it so why is this even a problem. I've humiliated you even further. You want me to prove to you that obi can't use force choke this should be easy. Also what you call BS is legends or just not the movies aka books which are canon just not the movie or legends so calm your self.

Feats and abilities maybe, your logic however is way off. Ignorant not as much as you may think. Not a big fan as when I saw a Star Trek film or one of the episodes it was not something I would be interested in.

We see it hit his hand and no shield block the force. He just tanked it. Plus when did Vader ever show that ability ? He never did as you're lying now.

We debate based off the characters in the film. Quit making shit up because you're a fanboy.

It's was a typo. Luke. Luke did so there goes your Jedi don't do it tactic that made no sense. I didn't say all Jedi can use it but Jedi have used it. Obi was anakins master for crying out loud. I wouldn't personally argue Obi would use force choke since he hasn't but to act like its beyond him is ridiculous.

1). What in the films said this ?

2) force choke is a simple ability it has nothing to do with raw power you twit.

3) Obi kills. So if he would kill with a saber why wouldn't he do this ? Luke was also a peaceful being you Neanderthal.

So you admit your Star Trek ignorance thus forfeiting your opinion here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, because is says Long Long ago that means what exactly. I thought it was rather obvious Star Wars was futuristic technology wise. That was why it was so cool back then, and even now. Technology wise no way is Star Wars in the past

Its called sarcasm.

If only including the films you still have The Borg, The God of Sha Ka Ree (fake God from Star Trek: The Final Frontier), and effin V'ger (from Star Trek: The Motion Picture), as well as Red Matter and such. The balance is still tilted towards Star Trek.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see it hit his hand and no shield block the force. He just tanked it. Plus when did Vader ever show that ability ? He never did as you're lying now.

We debate based off the characters in the film. Quit making shit up because you're a fanboy.

It's was a typo. Luke. Luke did so there goes your Jedi don't do it tactic that made no sense. I didn't say all Jedi can use it but Jedi have used it. Obi was anakins master for crying out loud. I wouldn't personally argue Obi would use force choke since he hasn't but to act like its beyond him is ridiculous.

1). What in the films said this ?

2) force choke is a simple ability it has nothing to do with raw power you twit.

3) Obi kills. So if he would kill with a saber why wouldn't he do this ? Luke was also a peaceful being you Neanderthal.

So you admit your Star Trek ignorance thus forfeiting your opinion here.

1. Well Dooku used it and no shield looking type ability he deflected it. As vader could have. Look at tutaminis under its appearances.

2. Calm yourself. You are a fanboy for khan as seen by the Sidious vs Yoda vs Khna threads in which you are being thoroughly beaten by Darth Power. Also you don't debate you just say random stuff and are no good at this.

3. Still it's Luke get it right. One Jedi that doesn't mean everyone can especially as Luke is extremely with a large raw power. Something kenobi doesn't have at least not to their level. I will freely admit Jedi have used force choke but obi wan has not. That's the point of this particular paragraph. While he could if he learned or were put in a certain position, he doesn't display this power even when in dangerous situations. While not beyond his abilities I can't see him using it as he is more of what a Jedi I supposed to be. More peaceful and conservative as his form represents.
1) Vaapad allows him to channel his darkness. Also it's his people's species as we see he his capable of force crush a dark side ability.
2) you'd be surprised sir how much raw power can get you. Also it can help as you have the raw talent to do it. It's like basketball. You can have just a natural skill with it vs someone who doesn't.
3) Also. I've said Luke is a lightsider. Obi kills with a lightsaber because he has to. He kills droids. He doesn't really kill,people, he severely injured Anakin because he had to. Your little taunts don't worry me as I know they describe you.

No I admit you may possibly be using actual evidence instead of making stuff up. However the logic you employ to string certain things together is off.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Well Dooku used it and no shield looking type ability he deflected it. As vader could have. Look at tutaminis under its appearances.

2. Calm yourself. You are a fanboy for khan as seen by the Sidious vs Yoda vs Khna threads in which you are being thoroughly beaten by Darth Power. Also you don't debate you just say random stuff and are no good at this.

3. Still it's Luke get it right. One Jedi that doesn't mean everyone can especially as Luke is extremely with a large raw power. Something kenobi doesn't have at least not to their level. I will freely admit Jedi have used force choke but obi wan has not. That's the point of this particular paragraph. While he could if he learned or were put in a certain position, he doesn't display this power even when in dangerous situations. While not beyond his abilities I can't see him using it as he is more of what a Jedi I supposed to be. More peaceful and conservative as his form represents.
1) Vaapad allows him to channel his darkness. Also it's his people's species as we see he his capable of force crush a dark side ability.
2) you'd be surprised sir how much raw power can get you. Also it can help as you have the raw talent to do it. It's like basketball. You can have just a natural skill with it vs someone who doesn't.
3) Also. I've said Luke is a lightsider. Obi kills with a lightsaber because he has to. He kills droids. He doesn't really kill,people, he severely injured Anakin because he had to. Your little taunts don't worry me as I know they describe you.

No I admit you may possibly be using actual evidence instead of making stuff up. However the logic you employ to string certain things together is off.

2. Quit cheerleading. I've broken Darth power.

3. It was a typo, fanboy. You said good guys don't do it and I proved you wrong. Jedi kill. Acting like this is too advanced for Obi is just being moronic. You aren't even a fan of Star Wars characters it seems.

1) based on what in the films ?

2). That isn't raw power. It's a a impel force power. Quit going off on an irrelevant tanget.

3). Obi killed clones right alongside Yoda you idiot. He also killed Grievous.

You're ignorant. You are clueless. You're a fanboy.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
If only including the films you still have The Borg, The God of Sha Ka Ree (fake God from Star Trek: The Final Frontier), and effin V'ger (from Star Trek: The Motion Picture), as well as Red Matter and such. The balance is still tilted towards Star Trek.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Yes, Dooku used it. We see the clear difference. Vader just tanked the blast.

2. Quit cheerleading. I've broken Darth power.

3. It was a typo, fanboy. You said good guys don't do it and I proved you wrong. Jedi kill. Acting like this is too advanced for Obi is just being moronic. You aren't even a fan of Star Wars characters it seems.

1) based on what in the films ?

2). That isn't raw power. It's a a impel force power. Quit going off on an irrelevant tanget.

3). Obi killed clones right alongside Yoda you idiot. He also killed Grievous.

You're ignorant. You are clueless. You're a fanboy.

Yes we see a difference between his and Yodas. Dooku used it to deflect it and yoda used to absorb.

Well he's still going strong based on the thread.

3. Actually I didn't say good guys don't do it i said they are less likely to. Jedi kill out of necessity which doesn't bring you to the dark side. Again I dint say it was to far above him I said he is unlikely to even want the ability as he is more of a peaceful being who has his occasional moments of anger. Why do you think he is known as the negotiator. You don't seem to understand Star Wars.

1. Based on how he force crushed grevious which is also considered canon.

2) So Anakin having a greater midiclorian count than even Yoda when he was just nine doesn't mean he has raw power? How do you think Anakin is the only human who can pod race as said by the movies? He uses Jedi reflexes and he doesn't even have training, then when Qui got does a test on him, obi wan comments not even master yoda has a midiclorian count that high. Luke follows after Anakin and was his imedimdescendant and basically is what Anakin was supposed to be.
3) out of self defense and/or necessity. So just because the Jedi kill that means they automatically use force choke. Jedi do what they have to out of necessity while the SITH do it because they want.

Nice way to describe yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shhh. I'm better than you.

Do you really need to spray your infantile insecurities everywhere yet again?

Star Trek wins, but Khan dies in first few seconds of the fight Force choked by Vader.

Originally posted by -Pr-
OP said only movies.

Otherwise, the Q Continuum.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes we see a difference between his and Yodas. Dooku used it to deflect it and yoda used to absorb.

Well he's still going strong based on the thread.

3. Actually I didn't say good guys don't do it i said they are less likely to. Jedi kill out of necessity which doesn't bring you to the dark side. Again I dint say it was to far above him I said he is unlikely to even want the ability as he is more of a peaceful being who has his occasional moments of anger. Why do you think he is known as the negotiator. You don't seem to understand Star Wars.

1. Based on how he force crushed grevious which is also considered canon.

2) So Anakin having a greater midiclorian count than even Yoda when he was just nine doesn't mean he has raw power? How do you think Anakin is the only human who can pod race as said by the movies? He uses Jedi reflexes and he doesn't even have training, then when Qui got does a test on him, obi wan comments not even master yoda has a midiclorian count that high. Luke follows after Anakin and was his imedimdescendant and basically is what Anakin was supposed to be.
3) out of self defense and/or necessity. So just because the Jedi kill that means they automatically use force choke. Jedi do what they have to out of necessity while the SITH do it because they want.

Nice way to describe yourself.

Obi didn't ea t to negotiate with Grievous. He wanted to put him down. He did. Acting like he won't force choke but in the same respect he will kill is illogical. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1). That's a point for me.
2). He had a higher potential he never saw. That's a fact. He got bucked by Obi and lost limbs. Watch the films, loser.

3). And Obi needs to do it out of necessity as well. He's not going to force choke padme but an opponent he has to kill why wouldn't he ?

You admitted you aren't familiar with Star Trek. That's the definition of ignorance, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And we don't see Vader do it similarly at all. He just tanked it. He's no Yoda, boy.

Obi didn't ea t to negotiate with Grievous. He wanted to put him down. He did. Acting like he won't force choke but in the same respect he will kill is illogical. No ifs, ands, or buts.

1). That's a point for me.
2). He had a higher potential he never saw. That's a fact. He got bucked by Obi and lost limbs. Watch the films, loser.

3). And Obi needs to do it out of necessity as well. He's not going to force choke padme but an opponent he has to kill why wouldn't he ?

You admitted you aren't familiar with Star Trek. That's the definition of ignorance, boy.

Out of necessity. Notice again his nick name is the negotiator. He is a general and must do what is best for his army and that was ending the war and to do that it was to take down grevious. So saying he kills droids, and other non human/humanoid creatures but he won't use force choke is logical. Again he has never used it and never has shown a proficiency with it.

2) Well again with raw power comes arrogance. With that anakin a raw power would lead him to just never practice and hon is abilities while kenobi being a lot less arrogant would. So with that that would be why he matched him. Keep trying.
3) you just said the answer to your question. Kenobi does what he does out of necessity. For instance when he and Anakin were on Dathomir they could have killed all of the Nightbrothers once they received all the information they wanted but no he wanted to negotiate as Kenobi tried talking first before fighting.

Cool for you. You know what ignorance means good job.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So how this Q Continuum will be able to stop omnipotent Bedlam spirits and immortal beings such as The Ones and Vitiate?

Minor correction: Bedlam spirits are powerful entities but not even close to omnipotent.

And immortal beings would be wiped into oblivion by any ominipotent being.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So how this Q Continuum will be able to stop omnipotent Bedlam spirits and immortal beings such as The Ones and Vitiate?

Bedlam spirits are not omnipotent, and neither are The Ones or Vitiate.

On that note though, the Q are Nigh Omnipotent, not fully omnipotent, as in they can still be outwitted and killed, admittedly by Q Weapons, or simply by making themselves or each other mortal, but they aren't fully omnipotent or omniscient either

Originally posted by quanchi112
One letter, Q. Acquaint yourself you ignoramus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah. I used my knowledge of the films.

🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Minor correction: Bedlam spirits are powerful entities but not even close to omnipotent.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Bedlam spirits are not omnipotent, and neither are The Ones or Vitiate.

These omnipotent, transdimensional beings are said to exist in the stark whiteness that digests the fabric of hyperspace near the Bedlam Pulsar. According to anecdotal accounts, beings known as Splendid Ap, Horliss-Horliss, Tilotny, and Cold Danda Sine have left evidence of impossibly transmitted matter and objects shunted through time.

Taken from Star Wars: The Essential Atlas

Case closed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
On that note though, the Q are Nigh Omnipotent, not fully omnipotent, as in they can still be outwitted and killed, admittedly by Q Weapons, or simply by making themselves or each other mortal, but they aren't fully omnipotent or omniscient either

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And immortal beings would be wiped into oblivion by any ominipotent being.

As for Vitiate, he have acquired the capability to exist without a biological form (as a formless spirit) and cannot be restrained or destroyed through conventional means.

And Vitiate can siphon energy from any living being and/or entity to fuel his own power. The more he consumes or siphons, the more powerful he becomes.

It's said Splendid Ap has trouble understanding/handling 'Time and Space'. Seems like a limited being to me.