Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Ok, first, don't mix what I said with what DDM said, please.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here:

These omnipotent, transdimensional beings are said to exist in the stark whiteness that digests the fabric of hyperspace near the Bedlam Pulsar. According to anecdotal accounts, beings known as Splendid Ap, Horliss-Horliss, Tilotny, and Cold Danda Sine have left evidence of impossibly transmitted matter and objects shunted through time.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Essential Atlas

Case closed.[/B]

Except in that all cases the beings in question have been killed or otherwise rendered inert, hence debunking the omnipotence.

This is the problem with using descriptors incorrectly. Especially when source materials do it, because omnipotent beings cannot be stopped, as in at all, ever. Nigh omnipotent beings on the other hand can still be defeated, tricked, outwitted, or otherwise have exploitable weaknesses. Hence they do not fit the term of omnipotent.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Ones are vulnerable to a weapon known as Dagger of Mortis and they kept it on Mortis. Aside from this weapon, it is unclear what else can eliminate them.

Hence, what I state above. the Ones also fall under the category of nigh Omnipotence at best, but they are still fallible, and possess weaknesses.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As for Vitiate, he have acquired the capability to exist without a biological form (as a formless spirit) and cannot be restrained or destroyed through conventional means.

And Vitiate can siphon energy from any living being and/or entity to fuel his own power. The more he consumes or siphons, the more powerful he becomes.

Except that we know Vitiate has been rendered inert or otherwise harmless since TOR, otherwise he'd still be kicking around now, like Ragnos, Exar kun and other Sith Spirits, and even they are not Omnipotent.

I bring all this up because it is VERY easy to misinterpret what Omnipotence actually is, and what Nigh Omnipotence is.

I would rank the Q to be higher in the cosmic scale than any examples I can think of in Star Wars, because the Q have demonstrated feats of near limitless effortless power, and on a universal scale level. While they are shy of full Omnipotence, they are closer to it than any example from Star Wars. Even the force itself is merely galactic in terms of scale.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, first, don't mix what I said with what DDM said, please.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except in that all cases the beings in question have been killed or otherwise rendered inert, hence debunking the omnipotence.

This is the problem with using descriptors incorrectly. Especially when source materials o it, because omnipotent beings cannot be stopped, as in at all, ever. Nigh omnipotent beings on the other hand can still be defeated, tricked, outwitted, or otherwise have exploitable weaknesses. Hence they do not fit the term of omnipotent.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hence, what I state above. the Ones also fall under the category of nigh Omnipotence at best, but they are still fallible, and possess weaknesses.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Except that we know Vitiate has been rendered inert or otherwise harmless since TOR, otherwise he'd still be kicking around now, like Ragnos, Exar kun and other Sith Spirits, and even they are not Omnipotent.

I bring all this up because it is VERY easy to misinterpret what Omnipotence actually is, and what Nigh Omnipotence is.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I would rank the Q to be higher in the cosmic scale than any examples I can think of in Star Wars, because the Q have demonstrated feats of near limitless effortless power, and on a universal scale level. While they are shy of full Omnipotence, they are closer to it than any example from Star Wars. Even the force itself is merely galactic in terms of scale.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ok

And what are these feats?

Instantaneous teleportation to anywhere in the universe and any point in time. Manipulation of matter. Creation of life forms instantly. Utilisation of Supernova as weapons.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bedlam spirits have never been destroyed. :/

I never said destroyed, but they have been rendered ineffectual. As in they were still stopped. One cannot stop an omnipotent from doing whatever the hell they want.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fair enough. But they can challenge Q beings.

That depends on where their feats stack compared to the Q

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We don't know how Vitiate is stopped. Weapons and Force powers cannot stop him.

But we know that he was stopped, which is the point.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And what are these feats?

From the top of my head:

Reality warping: the ability to create and erase matter with a mere instantaneous thought, demonstrated throughout the series, alongside dimensional creation, all those instances where Q changes the scenery to whatever he wants, like that whole courtroom scene in Q Who. Altering the gravitational constant of the universe. Space Manipulation. Matter Manipulation. Shuffling entire galactic clusters around, using planets as marbles.
Time Manipulation: again several times throughout the series.
Lifeform creation: again, he does this constantly, he is able to create things like Mexican bands singing for him just so he can have a good time, and these are lifeform constructs, not holograms.

Oh man.... the list, is huge. I could take an hour listing every individual power and explaining it's applications and where and when it was used.

The Q are also supposed to know everything, it's one of the reasons for their society stagnation.

Doubtful though and it's more logical that they're actually nigh-omniscient, just like their claimed omnipotence.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I never said destroyed, but they have been rendered ineffectual. As in they were still stopped. One cannot stop an omnipotent from doing whatever the hell they want.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That depends on where their feats stack compared to the Q

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
But we know that he was stopped, which is the point.

On the other hand, Vitiate can draw energy from any being or entity into himself even from lightyears distances and he will eventually reach the point of absolute omnipotence if not stopped on time.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
From the top of my head:

Reality warping: the ability to create and erase matter with a mere instantaneous thought, demonstrated throughout the series, alongside dimensional creation, all those instances where Q changes the scenery to whatever he wants, like that whole courtroom scene in Q Who. Altering the gravitational constant of the universe. Space Manipulation. Matter Manipulation. Shuffling entire galactic clusters around, using planets as marbles.
Time Manipulation: again several times throughout the series.
Lifeform creation: again, he does this constantly, he is able to create things like Mexican bands singing for him just so he can have a good time, and these are lifeform constructs, not holograms.

Oh man.... the list, is huge. I could take an hour listing every individual power and explaining it's applications and where and when it was used.

Kevin Uxbridge of the Douwd also erased a species of 50,000,000,000 members by simply thinking it

Here is an example of Vitiate's power: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-at-planet-ziost/105050/

Originally posted by Robtard
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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Because it was done with blasters and vader someone with a bionic hand of course his applications won't be the same as yoda or Dooku but it still goes into tutaminis as per it appearances it's said to appear in empire strikes back film. You don't have to be yoda to use tutaminis. Coughdookucough.

Out of necessity. Notice again his nick name is the negotiator. He is a general and must do what is best for his army and that was ending the war and to do that it was to take down grevious. So saying he kills droids, and other non human/humanoid creatures but he won't use force choke is logical. Again he has never used it and never has shown a proficiency with it.

2) Well again with raw power comes arrogance. With that anakin a raw power would lead him to just never practice and hon is abilities while kenobi being a lot less arrogant would. So with that that would be why he matched him. Keep trying.
3) you just said the answer to your question. Kenobi does what he does out of necessity. For instance when he and Anakin were on Dathomir they could have killed all of the Nightbrothers once they received all the information they wanted but no he wanted to negotiate as Kenobi tried talking first before fighting.

Cool for you. You know what ignorance means good job.

He's killed clones. Period. I'm not saying he'd torture but acting like that easy feat is beyond him is illogical.

Not always. Based had the potential but this was never realized. Vader ended up being a failure. Obi won because anakin was foolish and arrogant. Vader was always an emotional mess.

I didn't say Obi wants to murder but using a force power that doesn't have to kill. Obi has killed as well. Logic.

Trek wins, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you didn't address the quote why I brought Q up and pretend it doesn't exist. Oh Robbie you're helpless.

Keep dancing around the facts, tiny dancer.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keep dancing around the facts, tiny dancer.

Your rage filled insults prove me correct, so thanks, buddy 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
Your rage filled insults prove me correct, so thanks, buddy 👆

Even more rage and insults. Thanks for proving me correct again, buddy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your rage filled insults prove me correct, so thanks, buddy 👆

So what are people bringing up non-canon SW characters in a movie vs thread? Vitiate and the Bedlam Spirits are basically fan fiction now. 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
Even more rage and insults. Thanks for proving me correct again, buddy.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
He mad.

Originally posted by ares834
So what are people bringing up non-canon SW characters in a movie vs thread? Vitiate and the Bedlam Spirits are basically fan fiction now. 👆