Star Trek vs. Star Wars

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Originally posted by quanchi112
If you can't back it without official word, the films, or the clients wars it isn't evidence. Some wiki stuff can be verified via film.

Sidious slowly walked up and it took seconds the mandalorians to fire. They did not. Khan wins based off this feat.

He doesn't need preparation he just needs to fire.

Well it is apparently official and as per rules can be used. This is evidence to prove it was tutaminis. Tutaminis can be used to deflect / absorb lightning or blaster bolts. That's what Vader did, he used tutaminis as per it's appearances.

Yea and the mandalorians had prep as they saw his ship coming and he had to walk to them but the moment he got their it was lights out for the mandalorians.

Well that would interest me if he could fire before he gets choked disarmed chopped up, or dies however sides want him to.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well it is apparently official and as per rules can be used. This is evidence to prove it was tutaminis. Tutaminis can be used to deflect / absorb lightning or blaster bolts. That's what Vader did, he used tutaminis as per it's appearances.

Yea and the mandalorians had prep as they saw his ship coming and he had to walk to them but the moment he got their it was lights out for the mandalorians.

Well that would interest me if he could fire before he gets choked disarmed chopped up, or dies however sides want him to.

Then prove it via an official source. Wiki is not official and not a source to stand on its own. Never has been never will be.

They reacted and didn't attack. Palpatine showed he was not fast enough to force choke before they had time to aim.

Based on what feats ? That feat proves me to be correct.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
So you don't comprehend the words use them wisely. If he is using them without any other canon source then it is unsupported and not being used wisely.

Yw.

Unlike you, he appears to have actually seen the movies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Unlike you, he appears to have actually seen the movies.
Then why can't he cite evidence supporting his claim from the films ?

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then prove it via an official source. Wiki is not official and not a source to stand on its own. Never has been never will be.

They reacted and didn't attack. Palpatine showed he was not fast enough to force choke before they had time to aim.

Based on what feats ? That feat proves me to be correct.

It's tutaminis and that's the source it was used form. I doubt Lucas really cares to name and identify force powers. So with that we go with what we see and read for this ability and its applications and it says it was used during Empire strikes back and used by Darth Vader vs Han Solo.

He showed that given they had prep they had time to aim. Then once he got serious they were choked and then disarmed which will be exactly what happens to Khan.

The fact that Sidious choked two mandalorians and disarmed them at the same time. Since he won't have to worry about prep, Khans weapon is gone.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's tutaminis and that's the source it was used form. I doubt Lucas really cares to name and identify force powers. So with that we go with what we see and read for this ability and its applications and it says it was used during Empire strikes back and used by Darth Vader vs Han Solo.

He showed that given they had prep they had time to aim. Then once he got serious they were choked and then disarmed which will be exactly what happens to Khan.

The fact that Sidious choked two mandalorians and disarmed them at the same time. Since he won't have to worry about prep, Khans weapon is gone.

So you can't name the source. Perfect. Nah, you have no viable source.

They weren't aware of his coming or his intentions. Palpatine was not fast at all so based off that showing Khan mows him down.

They had time to fire therefore Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you can't name the source. Perfect. Nah, you have no viable source.

They weren't aware of his coming or his intentions. Palpatine was not fast at all so based off that showing Khan mows him down.

They had time to fire therefore Khan wins.

Oh poor poor Quan. I've given you the source. It's wookipedia appearances. This is a valid source as stated by the rules. Thus tutaminis was born in Empire Strikes Back.

They saw his ship. I mean they saw it at the very least when it landed. So no you can't tell me they didn't have prep. Noticed the moment they said haunt they were choked and disarmed. Same thing that will happen to Khan.

Due to prep something Khan won't have and as Sidious,doesn't even need to see Khan to choke him, Khan srcewed.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh poor poor Quan. I've given you the source. It's wookipedia appearances. This is a valid source as stated by the rules. Thus tutaminis was born in Empire Strikes Back.

They saw his ship. I mean they saw it at the very least when it landed. So no you can't tell me they didn't have prep. Noticed the moment they said haunt they were choked and disarmed. Same thing that will happen to Khan.

Due to prep something Khan won't have and as Sidious,doesn't even need to see Khan to choke him, Khan srcewed.

No, it is. It a stand alone source. Use the wiki wisely and since you cannot back your claim it isn't a valid source on its own.

He saw them as well. Both of these guys see each other. No one is playing hide and seek you loser. Khan guns him down.

Due to seeing your opponent which Khan will most assuredly have in this situation. Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it is. It a stand alone source. Use the wiki wisely and since you cannot back your claim it isn't a valid source on its own.

He saw them as well. Both of these guys see each other. No one is playing hide and seek you loser. Khan guns him down.

Due to seeing your opponent which Khan will most assuredly have in this situation. Khan wins.

It's still a source that's states it appears in empire strikes back. The rules say I can use wookipedia so me using that source is valid. Until you can disprove that it can't be used then shut up and deal with it as vader has used tutaminis.

No he did not. He saw them the moment he walked up to them and then he choked and disarmed them which is going to be the exact same thing that will happen to Khan. Khan gets beat by the most powerful SITH lord of all time.

Whether he sees Sidious or not it won't help him as he is already being choked and has no weapon as he has already been disamred of his weapons. Then he is going to get shocked with lightning and while he's down Sidious complelety obliterates Khan. Glad we all agree Sidious wins.

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet as your rude language and trolling attitude seems worthy of being banned.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Post proof it was used in the scene you claimed it was used in. I don't hate star wars. That's a myth. I just have never loved it but that match change with Abrams.

Provide proof of your claims with the styles used. Quit just making baseless claims.

Based on what feats of the force ? Back your claims.

I go by what's in continuity not fan fiction. You're an over zealous fan who debates against characters you know next to nothing about.

You're clown... in ROTS Mace is talking with Kenobi. Kenobi expresses admiration for Mace's saber style and how he created one (which is a combo of styles so to speak) Mace responds with, is it better to be an expert in many styles or a master of one? The specifically talk about their saber styles in that sequence. To even say it's never mentioned in the movies is an outright lie. They mention varying styles of saber combat

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's still a source that's states it appears in empire strikes back. The rules say I can use wookipedia so me using that source is valid. Until you can disprove that it can't be used then shut up and deal with it as vader has used tutaminis.

No he did not. He saw them the moment he walked up to them and then he choked and disarmed them which is going to be the exact same thing that will happen to Khan. Khan gets beat by the most powerful SITH lord of all time.

Whether he sees Sidious or not it won't help him as he is already being choked and has no weapon as he has already been disamred of his weapons. Then he is going to get shocked with lightning and while he's down Sidious complelety obliterates Khan. Glad we all agree Sidious wins.

I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet as your rude language and trolling attitude seems worthy of being banned.

The rules also say to use wiki wisely. You didn't. You have no movie source or official word. You need to back your claim.

He saw them prior to and he heard them say, halt. That wasn't immediate. Khan guns him down.

Based on ? These guys start off seeing each other. The feats support Khan.

I don't care what you think. 😂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're clown... in ROTS Mace is talking with Kenobi. Kenobi expresses admiration for Mace's saber style and how he created one (which is a combo of styles so to speak) Mace responds with, is it better to be an expert in many styles or a master of one? The specifically talk about their saber styles in that sequence. To even say it's never mentioned in the movies is an outright lie. They mention varying styles of saber combat
Then post the clip of the styles being referred to. It should be easy. You're such a Star Wars noob.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The rules also say to use wiki wisely. You didn't. You have no movie source or official word. You need to back your claim.

He saw them prior to and he heard them say, halt. That wasn't immediate. Khan guns him down.

Based on ? These guys start off seeing each other. The feats support Khan.

I don't care what you think. 😂

Yes and this is wisely, point is.well the source is a source by itself and it contradicts nothing so from where I'm standing this is valid so once again disprove it,or shut up.

He saw them the moment the camera appeared on all three. He had no visual besides that one instance. Khan loses his weapons and gets choked.

You haven't given any feats. All you've said is he gets gunned down, based on what. Sidious supporters have given you videos of him lifting different objects, using different powers, and the different instances that he used that power. So with that seeing khan or not Sidious chokes and disamrs him and then he is killed by force lightning.

Yes you do.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes and this is wisely, point is.well the source is a source by itself and it contradicts nothing so from where I'm standing this is valid so once again disprove it,or shut up.

He saw them the moment the camera appeared on all three. He had no visual besides that one instance. Khan loses his weapons and gets choked.

You haven't given any feats. All you've said is he gets gunned down, based on what. Sidious supporters have given you videos of him lifting different objects, using different powers, and the different instances that he used that power. So with that seeing khan or not Sidious chokes and disamrs him and then he is killed by force lightning.

Yes you do.

You didn't back your claim, wiki boy. You concede.

He didn't force choke immediately so Khan wins since you lied.

Based on the film Into Darkness. All the feats posted take much longer than Khan firing his guns.

People we all know of the seven forms and we all know Lucas isn't someone who goes into detail about everything. So with all of that the way they fight is how their styles are described.

For instance, shi cho is described as wild and sometimes reckless, and is good against multiple opponents and jar Kai. This is seen by how Kit Fisto was just bull dozing his way through droids in AOTC when he just slashed his saber down without any grace or style, and how he was great against magnaguards and how when he got two blades against Grevious he was able to beat him. This also could explain how he lost to ventress as she was a single opponent however with jar Kai but no cover or anything to shield him.

Makashi. Dance of the duelist, eloquent, reserves energy, great for lightsaber to lightsaber terrible for blaster deflection, and weak against power attacks and can't generate any sufficient amounts of kinetic energy. This is seen by how Dooku sometimes appears to be dancing, how he is graceful and precise, how he can fight for long stretches of time for someone of his advanced age, is possibly the most refined duelist of the age, yet displays some difficulty with blast deflection, and how Dooku mostly evades attacks instead of meeting them head on, and can't just push anyone back with his offense in terms of strength.

Soresu- simply put completely defensive and great against blast deflection but no offensive applications. Obi wan after 3 years of progressing with this style can last long against many many opponents, was able to hold up the 18 strikes per second assault of General Grevious and keep up with Anakin Skywalker for a lengthy period of time without tiring and how he has survived the clone wars with blast deflection.

Ataru. It's described as being extremely fast passed and agile with a lot of jumps flips and kicks. Ola displays this in all of his fights as he can be seen darting around his opponents with his speed and how he is seen always on the offensive one of the prime aspects of Ataru. This also seen by how when fighting against Dooku all he did was spin and jump around as to per the norm of Ataru.

Djem So. Basically put. Brute Force Brute Force Brute Force. Anakin is,seen basically trying to power through his opponent and how he is very strength oriented in his mind set. Also when attacked he delivers decisive counters to an enemy's attacks.

Niman. Niman is best said as a gate way to jar Kai dual blades and the interrogation of force powers in ones technique. This is seen by Sidious as he is most notably the best master of Niman as seen how he handily bested Darth Maul and Savage Oprres with two blades, despite the lack of Strength in Jar Kai using only one hand. He is also a master of integrating force powers into his lightsaber sequences.

Juyo. Like Djem So, brute force brute force brute force. However this form is stronger than Djem So however at the expense of control, and defense. This is why practioner a of the form are required to master more than just Juyo to make up for this. Darth Maul a practioner of the style compensated with Djems So being his primary style and Sorseu being his defense. Also how Darth Mul had Niman and Teres Kasai. This would also be why he preferred the Saber staff as it is better for strength blows and leverage, but lacks a proper defense as well.

Vaapad. Ok I'm going to explain this since Quan is not cooperating. Vaapad is a personalized style for personalized people. This style is a variation of Juyo so it still retains the aggressive strikes of Juyo however with more control and a better defense. This is seen by how Windu was able to block Sidious' blows and even stalemate him due to Vaapad channeling the dark side energy of Palaptine. This is also shown by how Vaapad works on dark side users/angry psychopaths, this is a reason why he would be be,ow yoda and on par with Dooku as yoda is neither raging more angry and is a lightsider and Dooku is clam and calcualting. I don't add Sidious because although not a raging SITH we all saw ROTS so no excuses made for why it wouldn't work against Sidious. However I do believe Sidious threw the fight but that's for another rant. So there you have it my own opinion on the 7 forms and there uses and where they are in the film and Clone Wars series.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't back your claim, wiki boy. You concede.

He didn't force choke immediately so Khan wins since you lied.

Based on the film Into Darkness. All the feats posted take much longer than Khan firing his guns.

I backed it you just can't accost the fact you are wrong.

He choked them the moment he saw them.

Based on one appearance of Sidious Khan is fish frye and will be shocked to death, won't have any guns to use against Sidious and will also be choked.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I backed it you just can't accost the fact you are wrong.

He choked them the moment he saw them.

Based on one appearance of Sidious Khan is fish frye and will be shocked to death, won't have any guns to use against Sidious and will also be choked.

You didn't offer any proof.

Post the clip, liar. They had him dead to rights and said, halt.

Khan is faster and more powerful based off feats.

This is the entire universes though so stay on topic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't offer any proof.

Post the clip, liar. They had him dead to rights and said, halt.

Khan is faster and more powerful based off feats.

This is the entire universes though so stay on topic.

The appearances say it appeared in Empire Strikes back so that's proof. Proof>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you.

The moment they said haunt was when he showed up and then choked them instantly.

Faster no as Sidious has superhuman reflexes. Powerful because he has a gun? Sidious has the dark Side of the force. So as Sidious has actual powers while Khan is just superhuman Sidious beats Khan with little effort.

I'm on topic. I only need one appearance of Sidious to beat your little Khan.