Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a weakened Thanos. Context, kiddo. Am was also weakened in that scene. 🙂
Like the often cited night battle you use for Prime. Context goes both ways 😱
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor being tortured and fighting with serious injuries when he was cursed.
Which arc are you referring to?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman fought after having his blood turned into kryptonite, impaled by a kryptonite sword through his heart, after getting his heart ripped out etc.😐
You forgot in that whole Gog thing when Gog impaled him and injected liquified synthetic Kryptonite into him and Superman still fought despite the Kryptonite and gaping wound, and later when it artificially aged him and he was still fighting Preus despite having a heart attack IIRC.
Clark in one, Thor in second. Percentages don't matter. What matters is who wins the majority. You can argue for days about who has greater damage soak, strength durability but an honest non-biased assessment of the two is simple. Without the hammer Thor has less striking power. With the hammer Thor has more. Speed advantage goes to Clark (although it's outta character for him to blitz) but everything else is a wash. I'd say 60% for both on each respective match if i had to give a number.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You forgot in that whole Gog thing when Gog impaled him and injected liquified synthetic Kryptonite into him and Superman still fought despite the Kryptonite and gaping wound, and later when it artificially aged him and he was still fighting Preus despite having a heart attack IIRC.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Clark in one, Thor in second. Percentages don't matter. What matters is who wins the majority. You can argue for days about who has greater damage soak, strength durability but an honest non-biased assessment of the two is simple. Without the hammer Thor has less striking power. With the hammer Thor has more. Speed advantage goes to Clark (although it's outta character for him to blitz) but everything else is a wash. I'd say 60% for both on each respective match if i had to give a number.
I find the logic that Thor somehow hits harder with mjolnir lulzworthy TBH. Like its used to comfort Thor fans, "Look Superman is stronger but Thor is pretty close in strength and hits harder with mjolnir."
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Clark in one, Thor in second. Percentages don't matter. What matters is who wins the majority. You can argue for days about who has greater damage soak, strength durability but an honest non-biased assessment of the two is simple. Without the hammer Thor has less striking power. With the hammer Thor has more. Speed advantage goes to Clark (although it's outta character for him to blitz) but everything else is a wash. I'd say 60% for both on each respective match if i had to give a number.
Majority not mattering could be argued on a typical vs topic, but not so much on a topic that's about how many out of 10.
I'm not entirely convinced Thor has greater striking power without charging Mjolnir. But even if he does, how does he overcome a speed advantage when this happened to him against someone slower and weaker than Superman?
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/THOR_408
Maybe Thor has better showings against speed-blitzes that's relevant to this(every example I see people bring-up is not relevant). But that and other examples makes me think even if Mjolnir gives him striking power advantage, it won't be enough. Also blitzing being out of character for Superman isn't a factor since the second scenario is about him using his speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's a huge testament to his pain tolerance. And unlike Thor who was running away from Absorbing Man like a coward that he is when his bones were cursed, Superman fought Preus and then 300 Gogs at the same time for an extended time and was able to endure kryptonite for hundreds of years.
Kryptonite AND torture, IIRC. Two hundred years of being tortured and still didn't break.
As for running away from Absorbing Man.....
I'm just gonna watch what that brings. 😄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman strikes harder than Thor even when he has mjolnir. You will never see Thor doing something like this.I find the logic that Thor somehow hits harder with mjolnir lulzworthy TBH. Like its used to comfort Thor fans, "Look Superman is stronger but Thor is pretty close in strength and hits harder with mjolnir."
Didn't you just bring up jla/avengers
Originally posted by Delta1938
Majority not mattering could be argued on a typical vs topic, but not so much on a topic that's about how many out of 10.I'm not entirely convinced Thor has greater striking power without charging Mjolnir. But even if he does, how does he overcome a speed advantage when this happened to him against someone slower and weaker than Superman?
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/THOR_408
Maybe Thor has better showings against speed-blitzes that's relevant to this(every example I see people bring-up is not relevant). But that and other examples makes me think even if Mjolnir gives him striking power advantage, it won't be enough. Also blitzing being out of character for Superman isn't a factor since the second scenario is about him using his speed.
He has the ability to respond to a blitz
Originally posted by Sin I AMHe has the ability to respond to a blitz
He didn't do particularly well in either example I'm aware of where he fought Mongoose. The only two shots he got on Mongoose in the first were a sucker punch(when Mongoose was about to bite Spider-Man's neck) and spinning around with Mjolnir, both of which don't apply here even if we ignore Superman is stronger, faster and more durable than Mongoose.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/Thor_391
I already showed Mongoose beating him down, but I'll show again.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/THOR_408
Masterson Thor got embarrassed by this exercise for improving reaction time and whatnot, and Cap said his predecessor also had trouble with it.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Speed/THOR_447
Since Cap said Thor had problems too, makes me think Spider-Man blitzing Masterson Thor is a relevant example. Having to strike the ground to stop Spidey not only enhances the point of problems with speed, but is something that wouldn't really work on Superman even if he was allowed to do that.
When Thor fought an alternate Gladiator in a time dilation that Thor had tech to protect him from, but Gladiator, who was already exhausted beforehand and had to use his speed to compensate for the dilation effect, Thor didn't show any speed advantage. That example of Thor against Quicksilver has Thor being forced to use an area effect attack(striking the ground again) is another example of Thor having problems with speed against someone slower and weaker than Superman, and again a tactic that isn't useable here. Wolverine was also dancing around him, although that's not as strong an argument as the others for this modified slugfest scenario.
Are there any examples I don't know of that would actually support Thor being able to get any hits before being beat down in this scenario?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Didn't you just bring up jla/avengersHe has the ability to respond to a blitz
Originally posted by Delta1938
Kryptonite [B]AND torture, IIRC. Two hundred years of being tortured and still didn't break.As for running away from Absorbing Man.....
I'm just gonna watch what that brings. 😄 [/B]
haermm
^ How does he wins 3/10 in the first fight to begin with? I have trouble recalling any Thor level opponent beating Superman in a slugfest in his post-crisis history.
And he isn't beating Superman in second let alone beating 7/10.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, if anything this thread proves people respect Thor's physical prowess enormously.
Originally posted by Delta1938
He didn't do particularly well in either example I'm aware of where he fought Mongoose. The only two shots he got on Mongoose in the first were a sucker punch(when Mongoose was about to bite Spider-Man's neck) and spinning around with Mjolnir, both of which don't apply here even if we ignore Superman is stronger, faster and more durable than Mongoose.http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alte rnates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/Thor_391
I already showed Mongoose beating him down, but I'll show again.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Mongoose/THOR_408
Masterson Thor got embarrassed by this exercise for improving reaction time and whatnot, and Cap said his predecessor also had trouble with it.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Alternates/Miscellaneous/Speed/THOR_447
Since Cap said Thor had problems too, makes me think Spider-Man blitzing Masterson Thor is a relevant example. Having to strike the ground to stop Spidey not only enhances the point of problems with speed, but is something that wouldn't really work on Superman even if he was allowed to do that.
When Thor fought an alternate Gladiator in a time dilation that Thor had tech to protect him from, but Gladiator, who was already exhausted beforehand and had to use his speed to compensate for the dilation effect, Thor didn't show any speed advantage. That example of Thor against Quicksilver has Thor being forced to use an area effect attack(striking the ground again) is another example of Thor having problems with speed against someone slower and weaker than Superman, and again a tactic that isn't useable here. Wolverine was also dancing around him, although that's not as strong an argument as the others for this modified slugfest scenario.
Are there any examples I don't know of that would actually support Thor being able to get any hits before being beat down in this scenario?
Don't use masterson as an example of thors abilities. Thor beat qs in that exchange by using his abilities and was on him before he could respond. All other showings u mentioned were low showings
