How many out of 10 can Thor beat Superman in a slugfest?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I.....I don't know what to say.....

Well since the scenario is about Superman using his speed, I would think at worst it would be after taking a strike or two.

i'd hope so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funnily enough, Superman's superspeed punches do carry more power than his regular punches.

http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ccf1226201000010.jpg/

And Superman hits harder than Thor with mjolnir on regular. With a superspeed combo? Thor would be out like light.

if it's a 1:1 thing, i'd agree, but a superspeed flurry? can't agree with that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your lack of faith in me is disturbing.

uhuh

yeah, because you give me so much reason to trust you... oh.

Originally posted by Diesldude
I disagree, flash can punch harder because of his speed.

Superman can reel back and punch with full force using super speed instead of throwing quick jabs at super speed.

which was what I was talking about. a single, strong punch, amped with superspeed, is great. a quick flurry of "machine gun" punches, not so much.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Naw, can't respect a guy who can't even understand his own potential. .

what?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Is that canon? I think he was too weak to open the portal there, that's why he walked away in a hurry..

Abhi said it's from when Hela cursed him and made his bones brittle, which is canon. Considering he directly says his pain is because of Hela, I'd think this is from that. But Thor wasn't weakened in regards to strength, but that's not what I meant. I've seen Thor use Mjolnir to BFR opponents without opening portals, just kinda send them off somewhere else. My question is at the time this fight with Absorbing Man happened, had he only shown to BFR opponents by opening portals and tricking them into it(which I could understand would be difficult at best in his condition), or could he just sorta point Mjolnir and teleport opponents away but was too stupid to do that?

Thor bfr'd the Void in Seige so Iron man could drop the hellicarrier on him, though he only ported him a short distance

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thor bfr'd the Void in Seige so Iron man could drop the hellicarrier on him, though he only ported him a short distance

My question is in regards to if Thor had done stuff like that around or before the time Hela made his bones brittle. If he hadn't, then I can understand him not being able(at least easily) to use a portal to BFR Absorbing Man, hence running away, or if he could just kinda point Mjolnir and BFR him and Thor was being retarded.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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if it's a 1:1 thing, i'd agree, but a superspeed flurry? can't agree with that.

http://i.imgur.com/8NO26bW.jpg

As would Henshaw.

http://imgur.com/GTykJuv
http://imgur.com/LRl4fNx

yeah, because you give me so much reason to trust you... oh.

which was what I was talking about. a single, strong punch, amped with superspeed, is great. a quick flurry of "machine gun" punches, not so much.

uhuh

I don't agree, and I don't think the scans you posted really do much to contradict what I said.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree, and I don't think the scans you posted really do much to contradict what I said.

mmm

mhmm

Sorry, not buying that.

Anybody thinking Thor gets even one win in a bare-knuckle slugfest against Superman is a a moron.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman WTFpwning Lobo and Henshaw with blitz-punches somehow reinforces the point that superspeed punches are weaker than normal punches?

mmm

mhmm

Sorry, not buying that.

You're using the word "weaker" to mean "weak", when you shouldn't. There's a difference.

How many punches are you assuming Superman would throw in the time it takes him to "charge" one punch?

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I'm simply dismissing the notion that every superspeed punch from Superman IS going to be weaker than his normal punch which is something Rage has propagated for some time now. Sometimes it is treated as weaker, sometimes it is treated as stronger and that's where majority of his superspeed blitzes falls.

Superman can throw as many punch as he wants in this scenario. Honestly even if you grant him half his striking power with a punch, 50 punches in a second to a Thor who can't react and thus roll with the punches would KTFO him. It took only four punches at superspeed to knock out Lobo FFS.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Anybody thinking Thor gets even one win in a bare-knuckle slugfest against Superman is a a moron.

How the **** he wins any fight against someone who is vastly superior to him across the board physically? Its like giving Thing a win over Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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I'm simply dismissing the notion that every superspeed punch from Superman IS going to be weaker than his normal punch which is something Rage has propagated for some time now. Sometimes it is treated as weaker, sometimes it is treated as stronger and that's where majority of his superspeed blitzes falls.

Superman can throw as many punch as he wants in this scenario. Honestly even if you grant him half his striking power with a punch, 50 punches in a second to a Thor who can't react and thus roll with the punches would KTFO him. It took only four punches at superspeed to knock out Lobo FFS.

I'm sorry, I was using actual punches to inform my opinion.

If Superman threw 50, sure, it would knock out Thor. Why would he throw 50, though?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree, and I don't think the scans you posted really do much to contradict what I said.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree, and I don't think the scans you posted really do much to contradict what I said.

Pr, three examples where Superman has straight-up beat down opponents with a speed-blitz have been provided, and another example where Superman was more effective throwing punches at super speed than at normal speed. And unless the Thor side can provide anything better, evidence has been provided that Superman can get a LOT of attacks in before Thor could even react. Like the equivalent of a minimum 20 minutes of unanswered punches before Thor even knew he was attacked.

What I don't get is how everybody who's arguing Thor get a majority in scenario two are just automatically giving him it. Most of the people arguing Thor in scenario two admit that Superman is stronger and more durable than Thor, but arguing that Mjolnir gives him a significant striking advantage. Based on.....what? Even ignoring the speed advantage, if it gives him that much of a striking advantage, why doesn't he consistently own Hercules, his near/virtual equal(according to many showings) in strength, when most of those same people arguing Thor would also agree that Superman is stronger and more durable than Hercules? Thor had an extended brawl with Drax, punches and Mjolnir strikes being exchanged in a borderline slugfest in a comic, Thor even had a hammer throw and charged strike or two. Thor didn't put Drax down and that was shortly before BLOOD & THUNDER when Thor was suffering from that insanity that was mistaken for Warrior's Madness. Or other examples I've seen.

Sure, I've seen Thor one-shot Drax with a pretty standard Mjolnir strike, but if I were to bring-up Superman arguably one-shotting Captain Marvel(after a recent red solar energy blast and modest exposure to Kryptonite), Pre-DOS casually one-shotting Maxima with a casual backhanded bitchslap, Pre-DOS one-shotting Lobo so badly he nearly killed him, or other examples, people would be going, "That's not his average."

So what is it? Is there a large number of examples I haven't seen where Mjolnir really does provide a significant striking advantage compared to his fists? Do people think Mjolnir being a mystical artifact means it simply hurts Superman more even with standard strikes? Do they think Thor will do a significant number of charged Mjolnir strikes? Is it just wishful thinking that Mjolnir will give a significant striking advantage, even with standard attacks, based on nothing but bias? What? I'm only seeing "Thor has a striking advantage just 'cuz Mjolnir."

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sorry, I was using actual punches to inform my opinion.

If Superman threw 50, sure, it would knock out Thor. Why would he throw 50, though?

The two things I wanted from scenario two is adequate evidence that Thor's standard Mjolnir strikes are significantly more powerful than his punches, and if Thor actually has speed to keep-up with Superman decently enough to not get owned before he can blink.

So far I've seen no examples of the first, and the few arguments made for the second are not holding water based on the evidence I've presented.

Since it's a slugfest and they're striking each other until they go down, why wouldn't Superman throw punches at super speed until Thor goes down?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Anybody thinking Thor gets even one win in a bare-knuckle slugfest against Superman is a a moron.

😒 I gave Thor one.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sorry, I was using actual punches to inform my opinion.

If Superman threw 50, sure, it would knock out Thor. Why would he throw 50, though?

Why wouldn't he? Scenario two is Superman using his speed. Do you think he can't throw 50 punches or even 20 punches in a second?

Originally posted by Delta1938
😒 I gave Thor one.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If Superman threw 50, sure, it would knock out Thor. Why would he throw 50, though?

There's no reason he wouldn't throw as many as he must in order to KO Thor, though. And that's less than 10 - which he can land before Thor can blink.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Funnily enough, Superman's superspeed punches do carry more power than his regular punches.

http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ccf1226201000010.jpg/

And Superman hits harder than Thor with mjolnir on regular. With a superspeed combo? Thor would be out like light.

I know of that scan (Which is why I didn't say all the time) but it's the exception not the rule. Just like Flash IMP but that's a bit different because it's about attaining mass.

Very often, super speed attacks seem to do a lot less damage then what regular punches would do.

It doesn't make much sense but it's a comic book trope.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know of that scan (Which is why I didn't say all the time) but it's the exception not the rule. Just like Flash IMP but that's a bit different because it's about attaining mass.

Very often, super speed attacks seem to do a lot less damage then what regular punches would do.

It doesn't make much sense but it's a comic book trope.

Lobo would disagree.

http://i.imgur.com/8NO26bW.jpg

As would Henshaw.

http://imgur.com/GTykJuv
http://imgur.com/LRl4fNx

How many more exceptions do you need?

*ahem*

Originally posted by Philosophía
Did you assume Superman does this?

vin

Actually I was thinking out of 10 fights, one, maybe two, you'd have it with one of Thor's better showings against an average or below average Superman showing for scenario one. Scenario two? I gave Thor a potential win by getting lucky to get enough charged Mjolnir strikes for a win, but I'd lean more towards 0/10 based on lack of adequate, relevant speed feats from the Thor side.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know of that scan (Which is why I didn't say all the time) but it's the exception not the rule. Just like Flash IMP but that's a bit different because it's about attaining mass.

Very often, super speed attacks seem to do a lot less damage then what regular punches would do.

It doesn't make much sense but it's a comic book trope.

So how about you give us some examples, with issue references, to back this? 3 examples have been giving of Superman just beating the shit out of someone at super speed. Also, waiting for a reply to me pointing-out your argument about those training droids isn't the example you claimed it to be.

Originally posted by riv6672
*ahem*

Abhi is actually providing examples that contradict the claims that super speed punches will be significantly weaker(which nobody has shown any examples for). On the other hand, the Thor side is saying "Mjolnir will give a significant striking advantage just 'cuz," also without providing examples. I already pointed-out I have seen an occasional example that would support this, but brought-up if I were to cite various Superman one-shot KOs, people would go "that's not his average." And, even if Superman's speed-blitz punches are weaker than normal punches, it's been established just how obscene a gap Superman will have by his perceptions to beat Thor's face in before Thor can even react. Unless they think that Superman's speed-blitz punches will be 1% in power of his normal speed punches, what justification is there that Superman won't produce more than enough accumulative damage to KO Thor before he could really get serious offense out? Unless there's better relevant speed feats for Thor?