Originally posted by -Pr-
Have you met Abhi or H1?This isn't me, or you, or any other member in Superman's body. This is Superman himself.
You (or anyone else) wants to argue that Superman would hit Thor too quickly, too much that it would make Thor with Mjolnir ineffectual? Go ahead; I don't agree, but that's me.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think his speed advantage is as much of an advantage as it would be if he could parry and dodge, tbh.Sure, he can punch faster, but faster punches means less force, especially when his speed is restricted.
I disagree, flash can punch harder because of his speed.
Superman can reel back and punch with full force using super speed instead of throwing quick jabs at super speed.
Re: How many out of 10 can Thor beat Superman in a slugfest?
Originally posted by Delta1938
New Earth Superman, not the current. Not a gauntlet, simply two separate fights.Fight One: Standard slugfest, both standing in front of each other trading punches, no Mjolnir.
Fight Two: Modified slugfest. Thor has Mjolnir, but Superman can use super speed punching, otherwise still standing there trading blows.
Superman wins the first everytime.
Thor only wins the second if he is allowed to whirl and slam. If just standard one handed swings then Superman wins everytime. Thor wins 4/10 with two handed non whirling swings though.
It's say 1/10 scenario #1, 4/10 scenario #2 for Thor. Without Mjolnir he doesn't hit as hard, and Supes is going to lay him out eventually. With Mjolnir and super speed for both Thor is going to be constantly getting punched and it's going to be hard for him to mount a solid offensive through the barrage of punches, but when he does connect it will take more out of Superman than his regular punches would so he has slightly better odds.
Fight one, Superman wins. Superman's a tad stronger than Thor, is why. His punches would do more damage overtime.
Fight two, Superman again. With Supes super speed punches that are just as strong or even stronger than his normal punches, along with him being a tad stronger than Thor wins against Mjolnir strikes that would come out 1/10 as fast even though I believe a Mjolnir strike may be a bit stronger than a Supes punch. But the number of connected hits wins this. And Superman will be the one with most landed punches this round.
So Superman 2/2.
Originally posted by MF DELPHI was thinking they are trading punches (taking turns after each strike). That's why 'super speed punches' makes no sense here.
It's say 1/10 scenario #1, 4/10 scenario #2 for Thor. Without Mjolnir he doesn't hit as hard, and Supes is going to lay him out eventually. With Mjolnir and super speed for both Thor is going to be constantly getting punched and it's going to be hard for him to mount a solid offensive through the barrage of punches, but when he does connect it will take more out of Superman than his regular punches would so he has slightly better odds.
Originally posted by h1a8
I was thinking they are trading punches (taking turns after each strike). That's why 'super speed punches' makes no sense here.
I think it's more akin to both of them just throwing haymakers at eachother in a brawl and not holding back or defending themselves. That's what I think of when I think of a slugfest (or as J.R. would say, a slobberknocker). Taking turns punching eachother is a bit too organized and more of a test of might than a slugfest.
About how the fight is going down, I've always understood a slugfest to be each individual is independently throwing as many punches as they can until one of them loses, not taking turns punching each other. And that's what I had in mind for the both scenarios.
As for the second scenario, I'm really not seeing any convincing arguments that Thor does much better with Mjolnir even if we ignore feats haven't been produced to show Thor can reasonably keep-up. All I'm seeing is people saying Thor will hit harder than Mjolnir. In many fights I've seen, unless Thor is winding-up or charging Mjolnir, it doesn't really seem to be causing more damage. Are there examples with scans to back Thor's standard Mjolnir strikes are significantly more powerful than his punches, or are people just assuming?
Originally posted by Delta1938
About how the fight is going down, I've always understood a slugfest to be each individual is independently throwing as many punches as they can until one of them loses, not taking turns punching each other. And that's what I had in mind for the both scenarios.As for the second scenario, I'm really not seeing any convincing arguments that Thor does much better with Mjolnir even if we ignore feats haven't been produced to show Thor can reasonably keep-up. All I'm seeing is people saying Thor will hit harder than Mjolnir. In many fights I've seen, unless Thor is winding-up or charging Mjolnir, it doesn't really seem to be causing more damage. Are there examples with scans to back Thor's standard Mjolnir strikes are significantly more powerful than his punches, or are people just assuming?
If they aren't taking turns hitting each other, the 2nd fight for superman got a lot easier.
Originally posted by Diesldude
If they aren't taking turns hitting each other, the 2nd fight for superman got a lot easier.
Yeah, I guess when I said "they stand trading punches until one goes down" it could look like they're literally exchanging punches, taking turns. I did not make this with that in mind, at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't.
Yeah, Thor is a real pussy.haermm
Taking another look at this, couldn't Thor have just used Mjolnir to BFR Absorbing Man? At the time, was he only shown to BFR opponents by tricking them into portals(something that wouldn't be easy in his condition, even against a relative simpleton like Absorbing Man), or is this an example of Thor being retarded?