Originally posted by Delta1938
One: The topic is actually how many wins would Thor get out of 10, not who wins a majority/who wins. Two: What examples do you have that would have Thor overcome Superman's speed in scenario two?
Why would he need to overcome it?
They can't dodge. Superman will be able to let off more punches, but some extra super speed jabs aren't on the same level as a Mjolnir hit. Heck, sometimes dozens of super speed attacks aren't even on the level of a regular punch.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusUsing Masterson Thor as a comparison to the real Thor is indeed desperate.
Lol.Almost missed this.
Where did he do this?
Actually, here's Thor in the same training session:
Yea, if these scenes prove anything, it's that Masterson and Thor are comparable in regards to battle competency and reflexes. 😂
😂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol.Almost missed this.
Where did he do this?
Actually, here's Thor in the same training session:
Yea, if these scenes prove anything, it's that Masterson and Thor are comparable in regards to battle competency and reflexes. 😂
The issue reference was in the scans' file and folder names. THOR #447. So, you're comparing the droids focused on Captain America, and Thor coming behind and zapping them with a lightning strike when they're not focused on him, to Masterson Thor getting them going right after him? It doesn't look the same at all, even ignoring what the writer had Cap say.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would he need to overcome it?They can't dodge. Superman will be able to let off more punches, but some extra super speed jabs aren't on the same level as a Mjolnir hit. Heck, sometimes dozens of super speed attacks aren't even on the level of a regular punch.
Maybe because unless you have better examples, Superman's speed advantage is too great? This is the best relevant speed feat for Thor I know of.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104912/2984631-thor+microsecond.jpg
Reacting to something in a few microseconds. Superman, by comparison, has shown greater than nanosecond time perception. And you react quicker than you perceive time.
Even if we lowball Superman to a "mere" nanosecond and exaggerate Thor's feat to a single microsecond, there's 1,000 nanoseconds in a microsecond. This would give Superman the equivalent of nearly 17 minutes of free, unanswered punches to Thor's face before he can react. Even if they're less effective, you think Thor wouldn't be overwhelmed and KOed by the time he even knew he was in a fight? Or does Thor have better relevant speed showings?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Because I think that Mjolnir, hitting him when he can't brace or try to dodge it, will seriously hurt.
Unless there's better relevant showings for Thor, still think Mjolnir overcomes Superman's speed advantage here?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think his speed advantage is as much of an advantage as it would be if he could parry and dodge, tbh.Sure, he can punch faster, but faster punches means less force, especially when his speed is restricted.
So you think that, lowballing Superman and exaggerating Thor, over 16 minutes of free punches isn't enough to put Thor down? Speed-blitzing worked pretty well here.
Yeah, I know people argue Superman was amped. We can discuss that you want.
It also worked pretty well here.
And here.
And other examples. You REALLY think speed-blitz punches are that much weaker that God knows how many over such a long period of time relative to Superman wouldn't work? Assuming Thor doesn't have better speed showings.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think his speed advantage is as much of an advantage as it would be if he could parry and dodge, tbh.Sure, he can punch faster, but faster punches means less force, especially when his speed is restricted.
Only if you think Thor and Superman have relatively close speed levels.
Thor's actually pretty fast, going by his history. The trouble is, Supes is a TOP end speedster. Guy even caught Barry Allen off guard (And I have no doubt Barry's faster, and was caught flat footed, but it's still impressive.)
It's a debate whether Thor can keep up with guys like Max Mercury or Johnny Quick, and Supes is a good deal faster then they are..
Originally posted by Delta1938
So you think that, lowballing Superman and exaggerating Thor, over 16 minutes of free punches isn't enough to put Thor down? Speed-blitzing worked pretty well here.Yeah, I know people argue Superman was amped. We can discuss that you want.
It also worked pretty well here.
And here.
And other examples. You REALLY think speed-blitz punches are that much weaker that God knows how many over such a long period of time relative to Superman wouldn't work? Assuming Thor doesn't have better speed showings.
Are you REALLY accusing me of lowballing Superman?
Originally posted by cdtm
Only if you think Thor and Superman have relatively close speed levels.Thor's actually pretty fast, going by his history. The trouble is, Supes is a TOP end speedster. Guy even caught Barry Allen off guard (And I have no doubt Barry's faster, and was caught flat footed, but it's still impressive.)
It's a debate whether Thor can keep up with guys like Max Mercury or Johnny Quick, and Supes is a good deal faster then they are..
I don't think they are, no. Superman has a definite speed advantage.
I just refuse to argue him as some sort of forum avatar who attempts to hit Thor a thousand times a second.
Originally posted by cdtm
He has a following, but forum avatar on KMC? I don't think even super fans like Abhi compare to RC back on Alvaro's, claiming Supes massacres Thanos and Galactus with all seriousness..Or seriously argue he could beat skyfathers, like fans of certain world breaking characters. 😉
Have you met Abhi or H1?
This isn't me, or you, or any other member in Superman's body. This is Superman himself.
You (or anyone else) wants to argue that Superman would hit Thor too quickly, too much that it would make Thor with Mjolnir ineffectual? Go ahead; I don't agree, but that's me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Are you REALLY accusing me of lowballing Superman?
Not at all. I was referring to my point that even if you lowball Superman's time perception feat to "merely" a nanosecond, and exaggerate Thor's a few microseconds reflex feat to a single microsecond, that's still over 16 minutes to Superman's perceptions.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think they are, no. Superman has a definite speed advantage.I just refuse to argue him as some sort of forum avatar who attempts to hit Thor a thousand times a second.
Unless Thor has better relevant speed feats, that's pretty much what the scenario is. Why I made the scenario, to see if there's better relevant speed feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Reasonable and respectful debater. Even though we don't get along..I respect that. There aren't a lot of people on the forum like that, if any.
Quiet, Bannerbag.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Not at all. I was referring to my point that even if you lowball Superman's time perception feat to "merely" a nanosecond, and exaggerate Thor's a few microseconds reflex feat to a single microsecond, that's still over 16 minutes to Superman's perceptions.Unless Thor has better relevant speed feats, that's pretty much what the scenario is. Why I made the scenario, to see if there's better relevant speed feats.
Oh, okay. Good. sneer
So you came in to this expecting some sort of spite scenario, given how you view things?
Is not like he has not blitzed speedsters on his history.
As a matter of fact now that I am re-reading his whole series again, he does uses super-speed more often than many think.
He resorts to this flurry of punches mainly when he knows the enemy he is facing will require such tactic to put him down.
And when he does not use his Super speed is when he is facing guys like Lex Luthor, Metallo or adversaries that do not have super speed or do not require super speed to be defeated
But if Someone is fast, strong enough or is giving him enough trouble with a weakness/vulnerability exploitation, he could/will resort to those tactics and he has done it in the past, for most of what I have read before though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Quiet, Bannerbag.Oh, okay. Good. sneer
So you came in to this expecting some sort of spite scenario, given how you view things?
You need a Snickers too? 😛
I see a lot of Marvel fans argue Thor has the speed to keep-up with Superman. I thought maybe this would get them to produce the feats to back that if they exist.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is not like he has not blitzed speedsters on his history.As a matter of fact now that I am re-reading his whole series again, he does uses super-speed more often than many think.
He resorts to this flurry of punches mainly when he knows the enemy he is facing will require such tactic to put him down.
And when he does not use his Super speed is when he is facing guys like Lex Luthor, Metallo or adversaries that do not have super speed or do not require super speed to be defeated
But if Someone is fast, strong enough or is giving him enough trouble with a weakness/vulnerability exploitation, he could/will resort to those tactics and he has done it in the past, for most of what I have read before though.
Yep; Superman is reactionary. Newton's laws etc.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You need a Snickers too? 😛I see a lot of Marvel fans argue Thor has the speed to keep-up with Superman. I thought maybe this would get them to produce the feats to back that if they exist.
I hate Snickers, funnily enough. Can't stand peanuts. Not allergic, just hate them.
Ah. I think you'll be hard pressed then. I think it's more a question of how long it will take Superman to use his speed, and to what extent.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I hate Snickers, funnily enough. Can't stand peanuts. Not allergic, just hate them.
I.....I don't know what to say.....
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah. I think you'll be hard pressed then. I think it's more a question of how long it will take Superman to use his speed, and to what extent.
Well since the scenario is about Superman using his speed, I would think at worst it would be after taking a strike or two.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would he need to overcome it?They can't dodge. Superman will be able to let off more punches, but some extra super speed jabs aren't on the same level as a Mjolnir hit. Heck, sometimes dozens of super speed attacks aren't even on the level of a regular punch.
http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ccf1226201000010.jpg/
And Superman hits harder than Thor with mjolnir on regular. With a superspeed combo? Thor would be out like light.
Originally posted by abhilegendI disagree.
Funnily enough, Superman's superspeed punches do carry more power than his regular punches.http://img132.imageshack.us/i/ccf1226201000010.jpg/
And Superman hits harder than Thor with mjolnir on regular. With a superspeed combo? Thor would be out like light.
