Why I think Vitiate may be the most powerful Sith ever

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I know this, and I am not mistakened. However, his civil wars failed, and nearly resulted in the destruction of his own Empire. Praise Bastila for not letting him be killed by Darth Revan's might. According to Scourge, Vitiate attacking the Empire during Revan's time would have only resulted in the Republic steamrolling him.

The reconstituted ancient Sith Empire had become a superpower prior to the event of Mandalorian Wars:

For hundreds of years, the Empire amassed incredible strength while the Emperor secretly plotted from seclusion - his life extended by Sith sorcery. Generations of Imperials lived, worked, and died to hone the Empire's military power. As the years dragged on, hopeful whispers in military training camps guessed that they would be the lucky generation to battle the Republic. But in truth, not even the Dark Council could predict when the Emperor would deem the Empire ripe for retribution.

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Finally, Naga Sadow would wage the Great Hyperspace War against the Sith's oldest enemies - the Republic and the Jedi Order - which would have repercussions for centuries, and eventually see the Sith emerge as a galactic power.

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Their hunt led them to a planet engulfed in endless storms. It was on this world of Dromund Kaas that Revan and Malak discovered the mighty Sith civilization that had been secretly growing in power.

General environment of the Empire:

The Empire is fueled by its massive stock of loyal, devoted and dedicated citizenry. Every man, woman, and child in the Empire is required to work to ensure Imperial success. A military mindset is ingrained in the children from a young age, encouraging competition and rewarding achievement. Young Imperials are analyzed for proficiency before they are assigned to specialized academies, where they further hone their skills in service to the Empire.

Mandatory service demands that all Imperial citizens ultimately pledge themselves to the Imperial war machine. Many enlist with the military, while others become engineers, serve as intelligence analysts, or join the Ministry of Logistics to manage the vast demands of the Empire. Accomplishments are rewarded with power, wealth, and respect.

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Also, I am not sure how exactly his Civil Wars failed. He did not get the Star Forge but the Republic suffered heavy losses during the Mandalorian Wars and lost much of its military might during the Jedi Civil War, a war that resulted in destruction of the Jedi Order as well. The Republic was so weak by this time that it wasn't equipped to deal with the threat of Sith Triumvirate, forget a superpower.

He would have invaded when Nyriss had Revan in a cell, for that matter.

EDIT: the above reason about not knowing the Republic's condition certainly doesn't make any sense at all given the Great Galactic War that followed, where Revan again had to convince the Emperor to stop attacking because reasons. The Emperor hardly cares about the Republic's conditions, because unlike every other Sith out there, he isn't actually trying to rule anything. His people dying helps just as much as the Republic's in the grand scheme.

Yeah, if Vitiate had attacked after Kotor 2 they'd roll over the Republic.

Good to see Vitiate's alleged "accomplishments" have been utterly debunked. I am pleased, my henchmen.

Scourge was not much aware about the condition of the Jedi Order and the Republic.

The reconstituted ancient Sith Empire had become a superpower prior to the event of Mandalorian Wars:

For hundreds of years, the Empire amassed incredible strength while the Emperor secretly plotted from seclusion - his life extended by Sith sorcery. Generations of Imperials lived, worked, and died to hone the Empire's military power. As the years dragged on, hopeful whispers in military training camps guessed that they would be the lucky generation to battle the Republic. But in truth, not even the Dark Council could predict when the Emperor would deem the Empire ripe for retribution.

More;

Finally, Naga Sadow would wage the Great Hyperspace War against the Sith's oldest enemies - the Republic and the Jedi Order - which would have repercussions for centuries, and eventually see the Sith emerge as a galactic power.

&

Their hunt led them to a planet engulfed in endless storms. It was on this world of Dromund Kaas that Revan and Malak discovered the mighty Sith civilization that had been secretly growing in power.

General environment of the Empire:

The Empire is fueled by its massive stock of loyal, devoted and dedicated citizenry. Every man, woman, and child in the Empire is required to work to ensure Imperial success. A military mindset is ingrained in the children from a young age, encouraging competition and rewarding achievement. Young Imperials are analyzed for proficiency before they are assigned to specialized academies, where they further hone their skills in service to the Empire.

Mandatory service demands that all Imperial citizens ultimately pledge themselves to the Imperial war machine. Many enlist with the military, while others become engineers, serve as intelligence analysts, or join the Ministry of Logistics to manage the vast demands of the Empire. Accomplishments are rewarded with power, wealth, and respect.

Also, I am not sure how exactly his Civil Wars failed. He did not get the Star Forge but the Republic suffered heavy losses during the Mandalorian Wars and lost much of its military might during the Jedi Civil War that resulted in destruction of the Jedi Order as well. The Republic was so weak by this time that he wasn't equipped to deal with the threat of Sith Triumvirate, forget a superpower.

It's fascinating to trace LeGenD's origins as a Revan fanboy and observe their inevitable mutation into a Vitiate fanboy.

LeGenD of 2007 would shit a brick at such an assertion.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I never said it was a failure for him, but rather *nearly* a *complete* failure. If Darth Revan succeeded it would have been the end of Vitiate's empire.

Nah. Vitiate would have just pwned him and Malak again.

When I have the equipment for it, I may have to spend some time with The Old Republic to see if it consumes me the way it has so many others.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Vitiate would have just pwned him and Malak again.

Probably not. With the power of the Foundry and the Star Forge it would have been GG Vitiate.

Did Revan actually know where the Foundry was at that time?

Originally posted by Eminence
When I have the equipment for it, I may have to spend some time with The Old Republic to see if it consumes me the way it has so many others.

You should, it's a good game. Ants just started playing too. I foresee a long life of Darth Nox fanhood before him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What is spamming quotes at me going to prove? You are in doubt that the combined might of Darth Revan's infinite empire and military genius, along with the Republic armada, and alongside that nearly every planet in the galaxy who has their own independent army, is not powerful enough to beat Vitiate's Empire? You must be joking.

Revan's Sith Empire ended up destroyed during the Jedi Civil War so it became a non-factor.

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In a fantasy setting, I am not sure if Revan could defeat the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire. Emperor Vitiate was also a brilliant tactician with Dread Masters and a powerful military under his disposal, he had established a galactic superpower (not some rooky civilization).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I never said it was a failure for him, but rather *nearly* a *complete* failure. If Darth Revan succeeded it would have been the end of Vitiate's empire.

Gideon where is that scan?

So, you are claiming that Vitiate's Empire>Darth Revan's Empire+The Galactic Republic+The Entire Galaxy?
You don't even deserve a response, to be honest. Revan's Empire alone is said to be comparable to Sidious'.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did Revan actually know where the Foundry was at that time?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So, you are claiming that Vitiate's Empire>Darth Revan's Empire+The Galactic Republic+The Entire Galaxy?
You don't even deserve a response, to be honest. Revan's Empire alone is said to be comparable to Sidious'.

I am not sure who would have won the war if a conflict had occurred between Revan and Emperor Vitiate.

Do you really think that controlling the entire galaxy means something? It means squat since much of the resources are diverted to control many worlds. Not every world is expected to be loyal or behave in such a span of civilization. Allegiances can switch.

Also, it is not like as if Emperor Vitiate packed no punch. What if Revan lost Star Forge during his war against the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, then what? Also, Sith typically side with the stronger individual and their was a possibility for Emperor Vitiate managing to sway many followers of Revan to his side. Their are so many factors to consider, not everything is rosy and easy.

When Emperor Vitiate started the invasion of the Republic, the war lasted 3 damn centuries irrespective of the superiority of the Sith forces. Even though the Republic approached the brink of its destruction and the Jedi Order ended up nearly eradicated but the damn war resulted in a peace treaty (in favor of Sith) but this wasn't a total victory. Maybe if the war had continued, the Empire may have achieved total success (as envisioned by Malgus) but Revan prevented this development.

Point is that, in wars, unpredictable stuff happens. Ponder over this.

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By the way, Revan's Empire became a non-factor due to the Civil Wars orchestrated by Emperor Vitiate within the Republic and Jedi Order. So your point is already moot. When these wars ended, the Republic had lost much of its military might and the Jedi Order was no more. Emperor Vitiate had a clear shot at sweeping the galaxy at this moment but Revan prevented this development.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Probably not. With the power of the Foundry and the Star Forge it would have been GG Vitiate.

I meant that Vitiate would likely just personally shitstomp Revan and Malak again and force their Empire to join his.

Posted it 3-4 pages back.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

*My apologies, not post KotOR II but post-Katarr.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I meant that Vitiate would likely just personally shitstomp Revan and Malak again and force their Empire to join his.

He'd never get within a lightyear of them honestly. And we all know its Malak's style to bombard an enemy from afar rather than face them in a fight he thinks he cannot win.

Vitiate didn't personally shitstomp Revan alone. Why or how would he shitstomp Malak as well?

Seriously, what is up with this bullshit? Trying to divert a topic?

I am not sure who would have won the war if a conflict had occurred between Revan and Emperor Vitiate.

Do you really think that controlling the entire galaxy means something? It means squat since much of the resources are diverted to control many worlds. Not every world is expected to be loyal or behave in such a span of civilization.

Also, it is not like as if Emperor Vitiate packed no punch. What if Revan lost Star Forge during his war against the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire, then what? Also, Sith typically side with the stronger individual and Emperor Vitiate might have swayed many followers of Revan. Their are so many factors to consider, not everything is rosy and easy.

When Emperor Vitiate started the invasion of the Republic, the war dragged for 3 damn centuries irrespective of the superiority of his forces. Even though the Republic approached the brink of its destruction and the Jedi Order was nearly eradicated but the damn war resulted in a peace treaty in favor of Sith but this wasn't a total victory. In wars, unpredictable stuff happens. Think about this.

What lol? According to GOTO, Revan tried to keep all governmental bodies in attack so they could aid him in his war against Vitiate.
Vitiate's Empire at the time only controls a few worlds in the Unknown Regions, compared to Revan's that would be controlling the entire galaxy.
There is literally, no way Vitiate can win. Considering the fact his Empire spent an additional 300 years of expansion and still failed to conqueror the Republic is rather embarrassing.
Revan nearly achieved more in his one year of conquest then Vitiate did in his 1,000+ years of life.
Do not forget Revan would have also had aid from the Mandalorians and his HK army as well against Vitiate. He completely rolls Vitiate over via superior numbers. No contest.

By the way, Revan's Empire became a non-factor due to the Civil Wars orchestrated by Emperor Vitiate within the Republic and Jedi Order. So your point is already moot.