You are mistaken about this, Vitiate had a superpower under his disposal and was set to conquer the galaxy at this point. However, he decided to orchestrate civil wars within the Republic to significantly weaken it so that his victory would be assured after the invasion
Revan did manage to defy his will (partially I may add), Vitiate wasn't helpless or dependent upon him for his plans. Civil Wars happened and they resulted in destruction of the Jedi Order and a severely weakened Republic. Vitiate would have steamrolled the Republic after these events but Revan prevented this from happening and bought both the Jedi Order and the Republic time to prepare for any eventuality within the span of 300 years.
I know this, and I am not mistakened. However, his civil wars failed, and nearly resulted in the destruction of his own Empire. Praise Bastila for not letting him be killed by Darth Revan's might. According to Scourge, Vitiate attacking the Empire during Revan's time would have only resulted in the Republic steamrolling him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Uhhhhhh yeah you've pretty much outright said Vitiate was Abeloth Level.
I am not much in to ranking characters by myself, I prefer to use TIER approach for rankings.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And as far as TOP-TIER force wielders go, nobody belonging to the Jedi or Sith Orders is on that level.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me the statement.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Unfortunately for you, [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia positioned Emperor Vitiate among TOP-TIER Force-users of the mythos. Deal with it. [/B]
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vitiate intended for Revan to remake the Republic into a powerhouse? Because that's what Revan was doing. I'm pretty sure Vitiate didn't intend for Kreia to nuke the Force; that is what she was doing. Such things are side effects, which are not proof of causation. And the first Jedi Purge, didn't even kill as many Jedi as you're arguing, because a lot of them joined the other side from the outset. Revan was not trying to kill Jedi from the start. One could say Traya did, but by that point, most of them were already following her.
Unintended things happen all the time. Sidious didn't intend for Talzin to try to absorb the Force or Maul to start a criminal empire.
Jedi joining the darkside isn't bad, it's a better result than killing them. They're still effectively neutralized.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Except the [b]only conflict of the three (Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, and the subsequent purges) for which Vitiate is directly responsible is the Mandalorian War. The Jedi Civil War was initiated and waged by Revan and Malak, who did so under their own ambitions. The purges conducted by Nihilus and Sion have nothing at all to do with Vitiate.[/B]
The Mandalorian Wars succeeding in splitting the Jedi in half and weakening the Republic, as well as delivering Revan and Malak to him so he could corrupt them. That his goal wasn't to start another war doesn't detract from the fact that the Jedi Civil War only occured because he corrupted those two.
Originally posted by Nephthys
doesn't detract from the fact that the Jedi Civil War only occured because he corrupted those two.
In which case, we're back to attributing Vitiate's success to a wealth of people, ranging from Marka Ragnos to the midwife who delivered him from his mother's fetid womb.
After all, "Vitiate becoming immortal only occurred because he was born, thanks to Vitiate's mom and dad."
You seriously can't win this. I've got you by the balls.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I really don't want to dig through old posts, but suffice it to say you said that Vitiate would defeat or stalemate Abeloth in a fight.Well unfortunately for you, TCW, a higher source of canon confirmed the Ones as being more powerful with the force than [b]any
Jedi have ever seen before.[/B]
Maul's Voice Actor is clearly the most powerful force user of all times considering he's Galen Marek, Sidious, The Son and Maul
Originally posted by The_Tempest
In which case, we're back to attributing Vitiate's success to a wealth of people, ranging from Marka Ragnos to the midwife who delivered him from his mother's fetid womb.After all, "Vitiate becoming immortal only occurred because he was born, thanks to Vitiate's mom and dad."
You seriously can't win this. I've got you by the balls.
It's amusing that you seem to seriously think that's true.
It is obvious that Vitiate didn't have full control over the events occurred after the mando wars. The important thing here is that he has foreseen a chance to cause a lot of conflicts that would immensely damage the republic and the galaxy and initiated it. Revan and Malak were his pawns only at the beginning though.