Which one? Nihilus and Sion brought it down to like, 5 or 6.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He'd never get within a lightyear of them honestly. And we all know its Malak's style to bombard an enemy from afar rather than face them in a fight he thinks he cannot win.
I seriously doubt theres anyone who could stop him. It would be relatively simple for him to conceal his presence and identity and get to the two in my opinion.
Plus I believe the Dread Masters were around at this time? One of them built the Dark Temple which I believe is older than Revan.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate didn't personally shitstomp Revan alone. Why or how would he shitstomp Malak as well?
Revan Reborn > Darth Revan. And Darth Revan hadn't come up with a defense to Vitiates mental abilities. Certainly Malak hadn't.
Actually, Darth Revan most likely was the one who came up with a defense against Vitiate's mental abilities, not KOTOR Revan. KOTOR Revan did not even know of Vitiate, and therefore would have not formed a defense. It is rather more logical to assume Darth Revan did, and TOR Revan got that knowledge when he received all his memories back.
“True, but we didn’t know that at the time,” Revan explained. “We were being led into a trap; the Emperor wanted us to come to him. When we got to his throne room, he was ready and waiting.” His voice dropped low. “We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed."
“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”
Oh wow look at that, both confirmation that Vitiate did intend for them to attack the Republic and that Revan had no memory of Vitiate. What a great find.
So, everyone making fun of me on the last page..... would you like to kiss my feet or my ass? Tempest obviously has to suck my hairy balls in recompense for his defiance.
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”
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This is enough proof of his influence over the events.
Originally posted by Nephthys
“True, but we didn’t know that at the time,” Revan explained. “We were being led into a trap; the Emperor wanted us to come to him. When we got to his throne room, he was ready and waiting.” His voice dropped low. “We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed."“But though we had underestimated the Emperor’s power, he underestimated us, as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought; our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the dark side, but in doing so we found the strength to block out all memory of the Sith and the Emperor, partially freeing us from his control.”
Oh wow look at that, both confirmation that Vitiate did intend for them to attack the Republic and that Revan had no memory of Vitiate. What a great find.
So, everyone making fun of me on the last page..... would you like to kiss my feet or my ass? Tempest obviously has to suck my hairy balls in recompense for his defiance.
I'll take the feet.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I replayed KOTOR2 more recent then my last read of the book.
I'll gather some quotes in it proving Revan knew of Vitiate though, hold on.
It's going to be hard to refute Revan's own words on the matter with indirect sources like everything about him in Kotor 2.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Incredibly lame Drew retconned KOTOR2 for Vitiate wank.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What lol? According to GOTO, Revan tried to keep all governmental bodies in attack so they could aid him in his war against Vitiate.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate's Empire at the time only controls a few worlds in the Unknown Regions, compared to Revan's that would be controlling the entire galaxy.
Also, quantity of worlds isn't important. Infrastructure and industry are important determinants. Their are lot of worlds in the galaxy that are do have much industry and use.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There is literally, no way Vitiate can win. Considering the fact his Empire spent an additional 300 years of expansion and still failed to conqueror the Republic is rather embarrassing.
Revan nearly achieved more in his one year of conquest then Vitiate did in his 1,000+ years of life.
Do not forget Revan would have also had aid from the Mandalorians and his HK army as well against Vitiate. He completely rolls Vitiate over via superior numbers. No contest.
Emperor Vitiate faced a well-prepared Republic and the Jedi Order when he eventually launched a direct invasion of the Republic from his own resources:
DEVASTATION AND REFORM
When the fallen Jedi known as Darth Revan turned on his former allies and set out to conquer the galaxy in the Jedi Civil War, his unified Sith armies easily crushed the Republic's fractious forces in almost every encounter. The Republic's reliance on the Jedi also brought disaster, as most of the Order was wiped out over the course of the conflict. The timely redemption of Darth Revan himself saved the Republic before it could be completely obliterated, but the lesson was clear. The Republic military needed to evolve if it was to survive the conflicts of the future.
As the Republic rebuilt its forces in the decades after the war, those in command went to great lengths to promote unity and camaraderie, Ranks, uniforms, and equipment were standardized as much as possible. Recruitment and training programs became universal, with unit memberships and starship crews intentionally mixed to prevent divisions by species or homeworld. Troops learned to fight alongside Jedi as they always had, but they also trained to fight without any Jedi at all.
These initiatives went on for decades, with more than a few mistakes and adjustments made. But in the end, after millennia of scrabbling and inefficiency, the Republic gained a fighting force worthy of its lofty ideals. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
The Jedi Order also had fully recovered during the span of 300 years and was ready for any eventuality.
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In contrast, Revan split an already weakened Republic and the Jedi Order from within, this is why the conflict he started is known as Jedi Civil War. Revan benefitted greatly from his inside knowledge of the mechanisms of the Republic and loyalty factor within the Jedi Order and he was also the finest tactician within the Republic at that time on top of everything. Revan didn't had to run for his life from an already established Galactic superpower and start a new Empire in secrecy with limited resources like Emperor Vitiate had to. Revan's dynamics were vastly different from that of Vitiate's. Same is true for Sidious's dynamics in comparison to that of Vitiate's.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lol what?
Revan's Empire became a non-factor for Emperor Vitiate since it perished during the Jedi Civil War. Emperor Vitiate's plan was to weaken the Republic and destroy the Jedi Order, so he would set the stage for his galactic conquest without significant losses. His plan worked and he had a clear shot at conquering the galaxy but Revan prevented this development. By the time, Emperor Vitiate brushed aside Revan's influence and initiated his plan again, he faced a well-prepared Republic and Jedi Order.
Still:
The Treaty of Coruscant ends the Great War in Sith victory and an uneasy truce. Tensions replace open warfare as the Republic is forced to cease fire and withdraw from battlefields across the galaxy. The Sith Empire absorbs abandoned worlds and consolidates its power.
Keeping in mind the result of Great Hyperspace War and Great Sith War, not bad at all. In-fact, Emperor Vitiate had to contend with the Republic and Jedi Order at their finest in history. Also, if Lord Scourge had not betrayed Emperor Vitiate, the latter would have succeeded in his plans.
Example #1: According to Canderous, Revan knew of Vitiate and his Empire.
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Example #2: According to GOTO, Revan knew of Vitiate and prepared himself for war against him.
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Example #3: According to Kriea, Revan went to war against the Republic to create an Empire to counter Vitiate's.
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Example #4: According to Bastila Shan, KOTOR Revan remembers Vitiate and his Empire.
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There is also two major ones from HK and Canderous I am still looking for which say. Do you want to see those too, Neph?
The HK is about Revan creating a HK factory to help aid him against Vitiate.
The Canderous one is about Revan telling him to prepare his men for the war.
And I lol'ed at LeGenD by claiming Vitiate's empire is powerful enough to take on the entire galaxy and an infinite Empire. 😂
None of that actually contradicts Revan.
Canderous says that Revan told him after he'd regained his memories, so that doesn't prove Darth Revan knew. Bastila also is just talking about Revan after Kotor.
G0-T0 and Kreia are just speculating on why Revan wanted to keep much of the republic in tact.
The HK army could easily have been made for any number of other purposes.
Originally posted by psmith81992
No, how many Jedi existed after order 66?
Many dozens.