Why I think Vitiate may be the most powerful Sith ever

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan was only able to partially throw off Vitiate mental dominance by erasing his own mind and still unwittingly followed his command.

Tol Braga completely threw off Vitiates control by himself.

Aren't we talking about Reborn Revan here though? The one that outright resisted Vitiate's domination mid fight?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tol wouldn't have lasted 300 years against Vitiate's mind control. 😉

True, but considering a mook like Orgus Din was able to shield the HoT, what do you think someone like Meetra would be able to do shielding wise?

Revan merely fed off Meetra to hopefully help Revan continue to be at full strength against Vitiate's mental war...she didn't participate in the actual conflict, however.

"As the Emperor fed off him, Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war."

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Aren't we talking about Reborn Revan here though? The one that outright resisted Vitiate's domination mid fight?

Well Revan had developed a defense at that point.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Aren't we talking about Reborn Revan here though? The one that outright resisted Vitiate's domination mid fight?

LOL. Drew really ****ed up KOTOR2. Revan kicks his ass.

"When I offered to go with her... he laughed. Then, he attacked me. Revan, at her full power, was more than a match for me. The battle was over quickly - and then he made sure I couldn't follow her, even if I wanted to. He left me there, a broken wreck on the Outer Rim. I vowed that I would never bend knee to another. Any alliances I entered in to would be ones where I was an equal."
-Canderous Ordo

What does that mean? How does that **** up Kotor 2?

Of course Revan after Kotor remembered about the Empire. But Darth Revan didn't. Theres no contradiction.

I didn't mean the entire game, Drew ****ed it up different ways. I was referring to he did a ton of shit, including not letting Revan kick Ordo's ass. 😉

So we all agree that Braga (especially when he was sith) is a beast?

Originally posted by psmith81992
My point is, one cannot conclude Order 66 was more successful.

Yeah you can. According to the text, ~100 Jedi were alive post-Katarr. That includes three separate conflicts with three separate sets of architects: the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Civil War, and the triumvirate's purges.

Order 66 was all Palpatine, baby.

If you're going to lump in all the conflicts like that, we can do the same thing to everything pre Order 66.

Originally posted by psmith81992
If you're going to lump in all the conflicts like that, we can do the same thing to everything pre Order 66.

But that was also all Palpatine, baby.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So we all agree that Braga (especially when he was sith) is a beast?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah you can. According to the text, ~100 Jedi were alive post-Katarr. That includes three separate conflicts with three separate sets of architects: the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi Civil War, and the triumvirate's purges.

Order 66 was all Palpatine, baby.

It's less than one hundred in that it was about 5 left at the start of Kotor 2 and the end. The purge continued after Katarr.

Also get sucking b*tch.

*Gets on his knees*
I always fantasized about this day, Neph, just that you would take the place of the female.

Palpatine instigated everything, then we're back to Vitiate instigating the Mandalorian Wars, turning Revan and Malak to the Dark Side to start the JCW, etc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's less than one hundred in that it was about 5 left at the start of Kotor 2 and the end. The purge continued after Katarr.

Also get sucking b*tch.

First, where is the evidence that the order was reduced to less than a half dozen by the end of KotOR 2?

Second, even if you can prove that, it doesn't prove that the triumvirate purge is more successful than Order 66 unless the order's numbers were comparable to those of the PT!Jedi at the start of the Clone War.

Third, even if you could prove that, your argument still fails since Vitiate was not the architect of the triumvirate's purges.

And fourth,

Spoiler:
the only known canonical survivors of Order 66 were Obi-Wan and Yoda. excellent

I win.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Palpatine instigated everything, then we're back to Vitiate instigating the Mandalorian Wars, turning Revan and Malak to the Dark Side to start the JCW, etc.

No, my son. Palpatine instigated, maintained, and managed everything from the Stark Hyperspace War on out.

Vitiate instigated the Mandalorian Wars and completed the corruption of Revan and Malak, who initiated their own war for their own ambitions that were ultimately diametrically opposed to Vitiate's agenda.

*Gets off his knees*
Sorry Neph, maybe later.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
First, where is the evidence that the order was reduced to less than a half dozen by the end of KotOR 2?

Second, even if you can prove that, it doesn't prove that the triumvirate purge is more successful than Order 66 unless the order's numbers were comparable to those of the PT!Jedi at the start of the Clone War.

Third, even if you could prove that, your argument still fails since Vitiate was not the architect of the triumvirate's purges.

And fourth,

Spoiler:
the only known canonical survivors of Order 66 were Obi-Wan and Yoda. excellent

I win.

Are you kidding? The whole plot of the game is that the Exile is the last Jedi outside of Bastila, Atris and the 3 Council members. At the end of the game its just the Exile, the Exile's companions and Bastila.

I believe a source states that the Kotor period had Jedi in the 10 thousands.

Really? Are you sure about that? Kukukukuku, I guess you didn't read the last few pages.

I win. Now open wide.