Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you kidding? The whole plot is that the Exile is the last Jedi outside of Bastila, Atris and the 3 Council members. At the end of the game its just the Exile, the Exile's companions and Bastila.
You mean just like the whole plot of the original trilogy is that Luke Skywalker is the "last of the Jedi" upon the death of Yoda and Obi-Wan? excellent
Originally posted by Nephthys
I believe a source states that the Kotor period had Jedi in the 10 thousands.
I'mma need some evidence and we're going to need to tighten up the timeframe. Just the KotOR period isn't enough. For the triumvirate's purges to equal or surpass Palpatine's, they must be dealing with a similar or greater number than than the number Palpatine had to deal with.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Really? Are you sure about that? Kukukukuk, I guess you didn't read the last few pages.
No, I did. But as was pointed out, Revan and Malak's actions were diametrically opposed to Vitiate's initial plans.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
You mean just like the whole plot of the original trilogy is that Luke Skywalker is the "last of the Jedi" upon the death of Yoda and Obi-Wan? excellent
Which was only retconned afterwards. Theres been no such retcon here, nor have any surviving Jedi popped up. The only known Jedi at the time are the ones I mentioned. Speculate all you want about other survivors, it'll do you no good.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'mma need some evidence and we're going to need to tighten up the timeframe. Just the KotOR period isn't enough. For the triumvirate's purges to equal or surpass Palpatine's, they must be dealing with a similar or greater number than than the number Palpatine had to deal with.
I'm sure Ant's the one to ask about this.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, I did. But as was pointed out, Revan and Malak's actions were diametrically opposed to Vitiate's initial plans.
Revan says that Vitiate's initial plan was for them to be the vanguard of his invasion and assault the Republic though.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
True, but considering a mook like Orgus Din was able to shield the HoT, what do you think someone like Meetra would be able to do shielding wise?
Din emerged as a Force Ghost and assisted HoT in resisting Emperor's influence. This is similar to how Meetra granted Revan the necessary strength to cope with Emperor's tortures for a long time as a Force Ghost. Jedi entities are extremely powerful in their own ways.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Indeed. Bastila quits being a Jedi, the Council dies and Atris falls, leaving only the Exile. She restarts the Order with her apprentices.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
According to the KOTORCG...
I'll need the page number to examine this for myself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Another page then suggests the Exile is the only actual *Jedi* left:
This doesn't actually mean the Exile is the sole survivor of the purges. In the same way that one can say "a lone warrior wages war to protect his family" or some typical B-movie tagline, it doesn't actually mean said warrior is the only one on the planet or in existence. Perhaps if it switched articles to the lone surviving Jedi, I'd agree.
Nephthys
Which was only retconned afterwards.
The movies can't be retconned, particularly now. As it stands, the only canonical survivors of Order 66 were Yoda and Obi-Wan. 😉
Nephthys
Theres been no such retcon here, nor have any surviving Jedi popped up. The only known Jedi at the time are the ones I mentioned. Speculate all you want about other survivors, it'll do you no good.
That they were the only ones observed throughout the story doesn't mean they were the only ones alive unless you have evidence of such.
Nephthys
Revan says that Vitiate's initial plan was for them to be the vanguard of his invasion and assault the Republic though.
And as we know, Revan and Malak began to act on their own ambitions. They weren't the vanguards of his invasion and instead went about constructing their own empire.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Drew pretty much ignored this when he wrote Revan, which is what I'm saying. He admitted to not knowing much about the Exile, and so the book happened the way it did. Considering it's the newest source that continues on into TOR, it carries more precedence.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The movies can't be retconned, particularly now. As it stands, the only canonical survivors of Order 66 were Yoda and Obi-Wan. 😉
Concession accepted. I'm surprised you resorted to that so fast, you must be feeling pretty silly.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That they were the only ones observed throughout the story doesn't mean they were the only ones alive unless you have evidence of such.
Quite correct. However, it's only speculative that others survived. Since we only have evidence about the ones I mentioned, those are the only ones who survived that can be established.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And as we know, Revan and Malak began to act on their own ambitions. They weren't the vanguards of his invasion and instead went about constructing their own empire.
They were still doing as he bid them. As Revan said "our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. "
Originally posted by Nephthys
Concession accepted. I'm surprised you resorted to that so fast, you must be feeling pretty silly.
😂
It was kinda petty of me to present you that gauntlet and then smugly reveal that even if you squeeze through it (which you didn't), you'd still lose.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Quite correct.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They were still doing as he bid them. As Revan said "our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. "
He bid them to be the vanguard of his invasion (they weren't) and to crush all resistance (they didn't). Instead, they went about executing their own agenda, strategically waging war against the Republic to appropriate it for their own use.
1. Revan not being corrupted by Malachor V/The Star Forge/choose to do war himself.
2. Revan preparing as a Darth for war against the Sith Emperor.
3. The entire Jedi Exile hype is diminished and shitted on.
4. Darth Nihilus is portrayed as a Sith Lord capable of making a Sith holocron, something Darth Bane had trouble with, despite being said to have been priminal.
I can continue? There is 25+.