Originally posted by The_TempestSpoiler:
This is part of the TOR camp's attempts to aggrandize Vitiate's accomplishments by very subtly implying that the carnage wrought by Vitiate's machinations is comparable to the Emperor's Order 66. When in reality, as you point out, it's not even close.
Meh, the Jedi Civil War was more effective than Order 66. I brought the number of Jedi down to the single digits, when Oder 66 had more Jedi escape and survive it than hookers from my basement.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh, the Jedi Civil War was more effective than Order 66. I brought the number of Jedi down to the single digits, when Oder 66 had more Jedi escape and survive it than hookers from my basement.
Not really. Per The Essential Atlas, less than a hundred Jedi remained post-Jedi Civil War and the continued purges orchestrated by Nihilus and Sion. Two different conflicts with two different architects, to say nothing of the mass defections from the Jedi ranks. Order 66 was much more effective.
I forgot where it was stated but "barely 100 jedi remained" happened prior to the Jedi Purge. Furthermore, there was no real "republic" at the time. You can debate which one was more effective against the Jedi because you can make a case for either of those. In terms of overall impact, the JCW did so much more damage.
I thought what Sion said was accurate. (Except for the Exile and Dantooine)
Beefy
I forgot where it was stated but "barely 100 jedi remained" happened prior to the Jedi Purge.
The Atlas indicates that "less than a hundred" Jedi remained post-KotOR II. I'll provide you with a scan soon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Triumvirate's shadow war was a direct result of and continuation of the JCW. I counted it as the same thing. They were both a result of Vitiates masterminding of the Mando War and Revans fall. Ultimately as Beefy said, the events in the Kotor period did vastly more damage than Sidious' efforts.
That's exceptionally weak, even for you.
Vitiate's only contribution to the Jedi Civil War was completing the corruption of Revan and Malak. Beyond that, he had no direct hand at all in it. Revan subverted his influence and etched out his own agenda. Vitiate had even less to do with the post-Revan Jedi purge and was totally unaffiliated with the triumvirate.
Might as well give Palpatine credit for the Yuuzhan Vong war.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Atlas indicates that "less than a hundred" Jedi remained post-KotOR II. I'll provide you with a scan soon.That's exceptionally weak, even for you.
Vitiate's only contribution to the Jedi Civil War was completing the corruption of Revan and Malak. Beyond that, he had no direct hand at all in it. Revan subverted his influence and etched out his own agenda. Vitiate had even less to do with the post-Revan Jedi purge and was totally unaffiliated with the triumvirate.
Might as well give Palpatine credit for the Yuuzhan Vong war.
The fact that Kreia knows about the hidden sith empire is a mystery for me on this subject.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's exceptionally weak, even for you.Vitiate's only contribution to the Jedi Civil War was completing the corruption of Revan and Malak. Beyond that, he had no direct hand at all in it. Revan subverted his influence and etched out his own agenda. Vitiate had even less to do with the post-Revan Jedi purge and was totally unaffiliated with the triumvirate.
Might as well give Palpatine credit for the Yuuzhan Vong war.
It's undeniable that Vitiate masterminded the Mando Wars and the Jedi Civil War, of which the Triumvirate's purge was merely a continuation. Ultimately you're correct that Vitiate really did little more than turn Mandalore the Ultimate and Revan against the Republic and sit back while they worked, that that doesn't mean that all those events weren't caused by his machinations.
*My apologies, not post KotOR II but post-Katarr.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's undeniable that Vitiate masterminded the Mando Wars and the Jedi Civil War, of which the Triumvirate's purge was merely a continuation.Ultimately you're correct that Vitiate really did little more than turn Mandalore the Ultimate and Revan against the Republic and sit back while they worked, that that doesn't mean that all those events weren't caused by his machinations.
Vitiate initiated the Mandalorian Wars, he did not manage them. His involvement with the Jedi Civil War is tenuous at best; it was a product of Revan and Malak's dark ambitions. The subsequent purges by the triumvirate have nothing to do with Vitiate beyond a ripple effect. Hell, by that reckoning, you could give Marka Ragnos credit for all of Vitiate's efforts since he anointed Vitiate a Sith Lord to begin with. Or Vitiate's dad for spawning him. Or the midwife who delivered him.
Comparing that to Palpatine's Clone Wars or Order 66 isn't really tenable.
