Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah see you are using non movie feats. I will never understand why we can't just use specifically movie feats in fights in the movie forum.

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Specifically rule number 8.

Yes, but then going by that it means feats from both Clone Wars series are allowed. Which is a perfect example of why I find the ruling to be problematic. The force users in the first Clone Wars cartoon were MASSIVELY more powerful then their movie incarnations. They should not be allowed to be used. But then it would be wrong to cherry pick and then say "oh well they can use one tv show but not the other".

Also why stop there? If the movie character appears in comics or books or videogames, why not those feats too? Palpatine appeared in the Force Unleashed game. Which means his powers just got a big upgrade.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but then going by that it means feats from both Clone Wars series are allowed. Which is a perfect example of why I find the ruling to be problematic. The force users in the first Clone Wars cartoon were MASSIVELY more powerful then their movie incarnations. They should not be allowed to be used. But then it would be wrong to cherry pick and then say "oh well they can use one tv show but not the other".

Also why stop there? If the movie character appears in comics or books or videogames, why not those feats too? Palpatine appeared in the Force Unleashed game. Which means his powers just got a big upgrade.

I believe it has to do with canonicity. I had someone arguing for a Star Wars feat for Vader from the comics. I feel that shouldn't be allowed by I broke it down anyways.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nice interpretation you troglodyte, so he can effortlessly speedblitz Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar, then a day later fight Yoda and win, whom is far more skilled and powerful than Mace Windu.

Yet your interpretation which ignored Lucas statements on the matter maintains the idea Windu could defeat Sidious when Windu was clearly losing the fight and despite the fact Sidious could defeat Yoda? This is the highest order of bias and stupidity.

Quan is a short dummy... but he's right about this. Sids didn't throw the fight. I've gone over this before with Sids apologist and they've lost every time The mountain of evidence on the side of him not throwing VASTLY overwhelms the speculation and conjecture of the other side. Think about it...

Why is there not one.. NOT ONE single narration in the book mentioning him throwing the fight. ROTS novel goes into great detail about people's thought and feelings we never get to see in the movie. Yet, they didn't bother to mention this huge plot point of the movie... ever? nah don't buy it. Not one single line in the movie ever stating he threw the fight.. not in the movie not in the script.. no place. Odd isn't it?

Yet, we see the novel state that Sids came at Windu with all his fury. We see Lucas say the DIRECTLY that Sids tried to kill windu but was OVERPOWERED> Why would Lucas say overpowered if in fact he threw the entire fight? That makes zero logical sense does it? Why would Lucas DIRECTLY say Sids tried to kill windu if in fact he was throwing the entire fight? You know the answer.. he wouldn't and it makes ZERO logical sense.

Not only that, but we see sids LITERALLY say.. No.. No... YOu WILL DIE!!! DIE!!!! as he fires very powerful lighting. Lighting so strong that Mace was breathing the fumes from his blade it was so close to his face. How would he knew Windu would be able to even block it? What if he couldn't.. where is his plan then? how about all the saber strikes Windu actually BLOCKED? What if windu wasn't able to block them.. what then? It all just makes zero sense and goes against every medium presentation of the movie. Lucas DIRECTLY states Sids tried to kill Windu... The mountain of evidence on the sids of legit fight dwarfs the amount of evidence on the other side. The reality is, people can't accept the fact that Sids lost so they need to make up excuses for him. There is none needed.. He lost.

Windu thanks to Vaapad can match Sids speed and increase his stamina while Sids depletes himself. Windu knew the galaxy was at stake and fought like it. He rose to the occasion. A common theme in all movie or sports.

Originally posted by Surtur
What on panel feats?

So just to be clear, you are saying jedi whom we've seen do nothing..are the best the order has to offer. At least Fisto has a scene in AOTC, but he doesn't show any impressive speed. Or really do anything impressive in any movie.

This is not Dragonball Z, Palpatine and Mace were not moving at super speed during their fight. Is this seriously how most people here think of Star Wars?

So in other words you need to dip into non movie feats.

So you have NO Idea what you're talking about then? We see Fisto take on Ventress and beat her.. Showing great speed and skill. we see him in the arena scene blocking and dodging blaster fire. The point is, we see his speed on display and Sids blitzed him and 2 other acclaimed jedi in seconds. That speaks volumes about speed.

So you didn't read the novel then? The novel goes into great detail about how fast they were moving. Please tell me you are not like Quan and don't get artistic choreographed fights can play out many different ways depending on the director. Do you not understand they WANT they audience to see the fight and what is going on. Facial expressions... pain... tension build... They don't want to see nothing or blurs or something they can't see as well. Tell me this isn't a foreign concept to you? Yes, Sids and Windu were moving that fast that Anakin couldn't even perceive them.

Dip into non movie feats? Huh? Do you see how fast and agile yoda is? Yeah, Sids was about to block and stay with him despite all that speed and agility. Yet, that isn't fast to you?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you have NO Idea what you're talking about then? We see Fisto take on Ventress and beat her.. Showing great speed and skill. we see him in the arena scene blocking and dodging blaster fire. The point is, we see his speed on display and Sids blitzed him and 2 other acclaimed jedi in seconds. That speaks volumes about speed.

So you didn't read the novel then? The novel goes into great detail about how fast they were moving. Please tell me you are not like Quan and don't get artistic choreographed fights can play out many different ways depending on the director. Do you not understand they WANT they audience to see the fight and what is going on. Facial expressions... pain... tension build... They don't want to see nothing or blurs or something they can't see as well. Tell me this isn't a foreign concept to you? Yes, Sids and Windu were moving that fast that Anakin couldn't even perceive them.

Dip into non movie feats? Huh? Do you see how fast and agile yoda is? Yeah, Sids was about to block and stay with him despite all that speed and agility. Yet, that isn't fast to you?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rxsiOlUa0

Evidence >>you.

Palatine without a doubt.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Palatine without a doubt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You admitted you're ignorant with regards to Khan so until you watch the movie you're just speaking out of ignorance.

I mean no Star Trek character could remotely compete with Sidious. I mean he's insanely fast and powerful, what does Khan have against that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I mean no Star Trek character could remotely compete with Sidious. I mean he's insanely fast and powerful, what does Khan have against that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan's weaponry is more powerful. His skill with said weaponry is superhumanly accurate against multiple targets all converging on him at once. He's also extremely ruthless and doesn't play around.

Is Sidious not superhuman? Anyway what did Darth vader say "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force".
Sidious is the big bad world even vader dis t want to overthrow him without help and he's a monster.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Is Sidious not superhuman? Anyway what did Darth vader say "The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force".
Sidious is the big bad world even vader dis t want to overthrow him without help and he's a monster.

Do you know that saying actually means ?

Vader wanted to overthrow him with Luke. He also talked about it with Padme.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan's weaponry is more powerful. His skill with said weaponry is superhumanly accurate against multiple targets all converging on him at once. He's also extremely ruthless and doesn't play around.

"superhumanly accurate"

Except the times his shots went wide and missed 😂

Originally posted by The Renegade
Khan would get fucking fucked.

Originally posted by Robtard
"superhumanly accurate"

Except the times his shots went wide and missed 😂

Remember when Palaptine got his saber kicked out and lost the fight against Windu.

#factsareking

So someone who hits some targets and misses others is "superhumanly accurate"? LoLz.

Anyhow. Characters like Legolas and even Hawkeye have what would be considered super-human accuracy. See now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but he isn't superhuman in dodging laser blasts.

Do you know that saying actually means ?

Vader wanted to overthrow him with Luke. He also talked about it with Padme.

😂

He's superhuman that's all that matters. He's faster and can elevate his strength to a greater level.

Yes. What it's means is what it says. The power to destroy a planet is nothing next to the power to the force. Now I don't know about you but destroy a planet is pretty impressive.

Curbstomp for Palpatine.

Originally posted by Robtard
So someone who hits some targets and misses others is "superhumanly accurate"? LoLz.

Anyhow. Characters like Legolas and even Hawkeye have what would be considered super-human accuracy. See now?

They are as well but Legolas still failed to kill the Orc with the bomb before it went off. 🙂

Legolas is also firing at opponents who aren't firing back for the most part. That's very significant. 🙂

Watch the film. They even call him a superman. The portrayal was quite obvious but you obviously disagree. That's fine be stupid.

🙂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He's superhuman that's all that matters. He's faster and can elevate his strength to a greater level.

Yes. What it's means is what it says. The power to destroy a planet is nothing next to the power to the force. Now I don't know about you but destroy a planet is pretty impressive.

We see them comment on the force not a force user. Palpatine isn't the force nor can anyone use the force in this manner. He was referencing the force itself.

😂