Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by Psychotron
What does a fight in which the Jedi are badly outnumbered have to do with this fight? Re-watch that scene and you'll notice even fodder Jedi taking out multiple droids.

As right they should be. The droids are pathetic. Even jar jar has taken droids out.

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Originally posted by The Scenario
Alrighty then, how about lightning? Palpatine has done that to skilled opponents.

But there is no Metroid film.

Probably due to it being a lackluster franchise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their foes are pathetic. They are slow, not skilled, and not evasive yet a considerably large group of some of the best Jedi ever were outmatched. That's telling despite their abilities that does this weak would take out a group that size despite being vastly less formidable.

As right they should be. The droids are pathetic. Even jar jar has taken droids out.

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So, you're trying to dodge, eh? No, tell me how is Khan going to stop Sidious from just tk-ing him?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Concession accepted you just approved that he doesn't need to see him so he can use it without vision. So he can just choke the hell out of khan. Whenever he is choking multiple opponents he shows very little need to concentrate occupying himself with other things, so he can definitely choke one little person with little to no thought.

https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg in this battle he does all that I have said.
With that I don't think his so called "accuracy" is going to help him when he can't even react.

You really think that makes any difference to Sidious. He doesn't care he just going to choke and then electrocute him. You've lost.

I don't need to apparently since Sidious ends this in 5 seconds.

False. He does need to think and maintain focus to choke someone. You denying that fact is more fanboyish.

Based on which timed feats do you feel Khan won't have time to react ?

Based on ?

In 1 second Khan kills him. Less than a second so as we stand even according to you Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which characters comparable to Khan's skills ?

Probably due to it being a lackluster franchise.

Yoda and Windu. Both more skilled than Khan.

Nah, it's just too good to ruin with a movie.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yoda and Windu. Both more skilled than Khan.

Nah, it's just too good to ruin with a movie.

Samus is a chick. Lost me already.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So, you're trying to dodge, eh? No, tell me how is Khan going to stop Sidious from just tk-ing him?

Khan shoots him. Blasts are faster than tking.

I mean droids were going to overwhelm Jedi.

Droids.

Want more examples ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not at all. I gave you an example in universe of a vastly inferior army being portrayed as greater than an entire group of Jedi.

Khan shoots him. Blasts are faster than tking.

I mean droids were going to overwhelm Jedi.

Droids.

Want more examples ?

Blasts are faster than the speed of thought now. LOL

Originally posted by Psychotron
Blasts are faster than the speed of thought now. LOL

I am citing actual examples while you ignore them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speed of thought plus action. Concentration and application takes longer than firing a blast someone's way. We see Obi concentrate with his force powers take quite a while in combat. It wasn't instant.

I am citing actual examples while you ignore them.

Not really and Obi-Wan <<<<<<<<<<<<< Sidious.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Not really and Obi-Wan <<<<<<<<<<<<< Sidious.

You also can't wish away the laughable showing of a combined group of Jedi against fodder droids. Dude, it's laughable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree Sidious is greater than Obi but the examples are still set in place. Speed of thought plus action during concentration takes longer.

You also can't wish away the laughable showing of a combined group of Jedi against fodder droids. Dude, it's laughable.

Sidious has demonstrated much superior reaction speed. This guy has blitzed 3 Jedi Masters and those guys are all veterans of the Clone Wars.

I can, because even the fodder Jedi destroyed multiple droids, Sidious isn't a Jedi, and this isn't what the thread is about.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Sidious has demonstrated much superior reaction speed. This guy has blitzed 3 Jedi Masters and those guys are all veterans of the Clone Wars.

I can, because even the fodder Jedi destroyed multiple droids, Sidious isn't a Jedi, and this isn't what the thread is about.

Sidious is a coward who hid his motives behind others. As they should. Jar jar has destroyed multiple droids. If jar jar can destroy droids by stumbling around inadvertently firing on them a group of Jedi should slaughter them with relative ease.

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Windu also defeated Palpatine in single combat. He was in the larger group against the droids.

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Facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He killed three lesser a. We see Windu able to parry and counter his strikes. Palpatine just beat three guys he is much better than at sword fighting in a sword fight.

Sidious is a coward who hid his motives behind others. As they should. Jar jar has destroyed multiple droids. If jar jar can destroy droids by stumbling around inadvertently firing on them a group of Jedi should slaughter them with relative ease.

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Windu also defeated Palpatine in single combat. He was in the larger group against the droids.

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Facts.

😆 😆 Still more dodging? Just can't come up with an argument so you have to resort to moving the goal posts, eh? It's amusing, but stay on topic. How does Khan win when all Sidious has to do is think of chocking him? He doesn't even need to be on the same planet as Khan to do it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Please cease with your emotional outbursts and pain over the Khan vs. Riddick thread you conceded to me like a gutless coward. Khan was superior in all facets of the game. He was a survivalist against the star fleet. That's vastly superior to the shitty threats Riddick was against in his universe. Riddick was also helped by multiple characters against the lord marshal and saved after vaako had defeated him by his fellow ex furyan.

Those also were Kirk's words in the film. [/B] let the rest go, boy.[/B]

LOL I did not concede a single thing. Only person who made a concession was you, when you admitted that Khan didn't have the onscreen feats to back some of your claims. I have it quoted and underlined so you cannot deny it. Stop crying about the thread you lost and stick to the topic. It's becoming pathetic. I'm not going to indulge your fantasies on this any longer. Anyone who reads that thread can see the truth.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Based on palpatine force disarming who ? You scripting the fight isn't a valid argument. His body is older and weaker due to being a geriatric. He can force amp his attacks but please he's up against someone with cellular regeneration and resiliency in spades. I accept that evidence. It's canon. Khan still wins. Sidious doesn't have the feats to stop someone of Khan's skill, firepower, ruthlessness coupled with his feats.

lol so you have no proof that Khan has any counter to force tk, so you are just dodging? LOL at you acting like one of the most powerful force users in the series can't disarm someone, when lesser force users easily can, and he himself has performed feats that would be far more difficult (and that is ignoring his The Clone Wars feats). And based on feats, his force powers more than compensate for his age. So again, you acting like he is just an old man is a joke. And again, LOL at your double standards by trying to ignore Sidious' force feats by claiming they were against fodder, yet try to compare Khan aiming and firing at featless Klingons, while performing a pre-planned leap under his own power, is the same as hitting a high level force user, with precog, while he is being tossed around or choked by a force beyond his control.

If you want to claim that Khan will fire accurately and hit Sidious while being ragdolled or choked, post evidence that he can hit targets who have precog, while he is busy being choked or tossed around by external forces. Without proof, your claim is nothing but hot air. But knowing you, your next post will be nothing but a giant dodge.

Originally posted by Psychotron
😆 😆 Still more dodging? Just can't come up with an argument so you have to resort to moving the goal posts, eh? It's amusing, but stay on topic. How does Khan win when all Sidious has to do is think of chocking him? He doesn't even need to be on the same planet as Khan to do it.

I think his nickname should be Dodger from now on. He talks himself into a corner and then when people call him out on it, he tries to derail things in a different direction, hoping others won't notice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he had to. He still needs to focus. That takes time and leaves him vulnerable. Incorrect. Khan can fire back and kill him before he chokes to death. Once Palpatine's concentration is broken the pressure will stop.

False. He does need to think and maintain focus to choke someone. You denying that fact is more fanboyish.

Based on which timed feats do you feel Khan won't have time to react ?

Based on ?

In 1 second Khan kills him. Less than a second so as we stand even according to you Khan wins.

What focus did you see. Based on the video Sidious choked them with no line sight, no hand movement, and looks like no focus he just did it. His focus was on maul and they were still choking. He was perfectly ready to handle anything, so no he wasn't left open he was perfectly positioned to take action if say maul and savage were attempting to attack premature.y.

Prove it. Based off of that video show me his focus.

Oh the fact that while he's getting his weapon out he's already being choked.

In 1 second khan is half way dead. You have failed to prove your point or counter mine so therefore you concede.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I think his nickname should be Dodger from now on. He talks himself into a corner and then when people call him out on it, he tries to derail things in a different direction, hoping others won't notice.

Like that midget gamur gurl? Works for me.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Like that midget gamur gurl? Works for me.

Well, if the motion is seconded, it's settled. 😄

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In 1 second khan is half way dead. You have failed to prove your point or counter mine so therefore you concede.

Yeah, Quan claiming that Khan kills Sidious in less than one second is laughable. He expects a high level Sith Lord, who has precog and is fast enough to blitz multiple Jedi Masters at once, is going to simply stand there and wait for Khan to shoot him. His suggestions that a guy who can toss senate pods around (and that's ignoring any of his CW tk feats) can't force tk a gun is also just as absurd.

Originally posted by Psychotron
😆 😆 Still more dodging? Just can't come up with an argument so you have to resort to moving the goal posts, eh? It's amusing, but stay on topic. How does Khan win when all Sidious has to do is think of chocking him? He doesn't even need to be on the same planet as Khan to do it.

Let's break this down. Feat by feat. I promise you khan's feats are quicker.

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