Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No you are being nit picky. Well you are just trying to ease your butthurt. So you lose. Precog is a common ability to all force weilders.

Sidiosu on two occasions.

3. Stalker and perv you are.

4. Actually that's where I get the majority of not all of my information from so again if you wish to combat me on this argument launch the first shot or concede.

List the two occasions.

3. Nerdy and lonely you be.

4. Then post proof, chicken.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are telling me if you are being choked you can't raise your gun and fire ??? 😂

Now you're scripting the fight. Khan can outright tank the force lightning if Luke can.

Most of the sentences were indecipherable.

Not windu. Not yoda. Mail and oppress weren't destroyed in seconds either. 😂 😂

Based on ?
Quit scripting and support your claims with evidence.

I didn't say that but it's never really shown. Everyone is mostly just holding their necks. Also you ignore how I said multiple torrents of force lighting. That's actually mostly what I'd said in that paragraph. Quit ignoring evidence.

Not while he is being choked also, Luke was dying he was suffering and begging for his father to help him. So I don't see him tanking it at all. Also he's being choked and ragdolled around.

You make it seem that way so you can get into my head. Figure it out is all I can say. Also here's the solid difference between everyone of those characters and Khan. Read very carefully. THEY ARE ALL FORCE WEILDERS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I Listed multiple incidents that not only hurt the Jedi but practically eradicated the entire order. Not a very effective one based off the data.

List the two occasions.

3. Nerdy and lonely you be.

4. Then post proof, chicken.

You were nit picky and basically using snob valid times as they are clearly answered for.

2. 1) Dooku vs anakin on Naboo. Anakain is quickly subdued by dookus lightning.
2) AOTC. Anakin runs up to Dooku and dooku uses force lighting to quickly remove him.

3. How can you call me a nerd when we are all on a debate site trying to debate who wins between two fictional characters form Two different universes(fictional). Also how may voted has Khna received 5? How many votes has Sidious received? 29. I think your the one who's lonely.

4. You attacked me so you go first.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I didn't say that but it's never really shown. Everyone is mostly just holding their necks. Also you ignore how I said multiple torrents of force lighting. That's actually mostly what I'd said in that paragraph. Quit ignoring evidence.

Not while he is being choked also, Luke was dying he was suffering and begging for his father to help him. So I don't see him tanking it at all. Also he's being choked and ragdolled around.

You make it seem that way so you can get into my head. Figure it out is all I can say. Also here's the solid difference between everyone of those characters and Khan. Read very carefully. THEY ARE ALL FORCE WEILDERS.

Luke walked away with no long term damage despite a prolonged exposure to force lightning.

Luke was weapon less and at sidious mercy. That didn't defeat either one so what's your point ?

Droids and Jango aren't force wielders. Battle of neogenosis and Jango's fights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What character had impressive feats and a gun at the time ? We even see Han Solo able to fire off multiple shots before Vader can force pull. Forget the fact khan has superhuman recovery.

Luke walked away with no long term damage despite a prolonged exposure to force lightning.

Luke was weapon less and at sidious mercy. That didn't defeat either one so what's your point ?

Droids and Jango aren't force wielders. Battle of neogenosis and Jango's fights.

Why does it matter. Sidious can just choke Khan and then shock him with lighting. So Sidious Stomps. Ok vader didn't try force pull until after when he had plenty of time to do it before.

Actually for the upcoming movie he's stated to have like joint pains and he's recovering.

Luke seemed pretty defeated. Also he was toying around with Luke.

Irrelevant as Sidious could choke and shock them with lighting as well.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You were nit picky and basically using snob valid times as they are clearly answered for.

2. 1) Dooku vs anakin on Naboo. Anakain is quickly subdued by dookus lightning.
2) AOTC. Anakin runs up to Dooku and dooku uses force lighting to quickly remove him.

3. How can you call me a nerd when we are all on a debate site trying to debate who wins between two fictional characters form Two different universes(fictional). Also how may voted has Khna received 5? How many votes has Sidious received? 29. I think your the one who's lonely.

4. You attacked me so you go first.

1) ok.
2) ok.

More examples. Wonderful. They are examples of his overconfidence but at no point is this Precog because it's basfly overrated.

3) the masses are idiots.

4) concession accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is evidence. Your opinion is not.

1) ok.
2) ok.

More examples. Wonderful. They are examples of his overconfidence but at no point is this Precog because it's basfly overrated.

3) the masses are idiots.

4) concession accepted.

1,2,and 3 are just you babbling.

4) alright since you want to be a big baby about it I'll go first. Sidious knew anakain was coming, and thus had plenty of time to prepare a plan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1,2,and 3 are just you babbling.

4) alright since you want to be a big baby about it I'll go first. Sidious knew anakain was coming, and thus had plenty of time to prepare a plan.

So he's planning during his fight with windu ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree all three absolutely decimate the notion of Precog and instead shed light on how stupid Anakin is. He's the chosen one to boot.

So he's planning during his fight with windu ?

I didn't say that. If anything they highlight how to strong headed he is.

He planned before the Jedi arrived.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I didn't say that. If anything they highlight how to strong headed he is.

He planned before the Jedi arrived.

He planned for order 66 but windu was in a fight with him and he wanted to survive. He did by means of begging and anakin. That's all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Strong headed into defeat. Brilliantly done. You shit all over the chosen one of the force.

He planned for order 66 but windu was in a fight with him and he wanted to survive. He did by means of begging and anakin. That's all.

Well his potential was never closed to meant ion and he couldn't overpower obi wan kenobi in the force.

Of course he,wants to survive so he can lead the empire. Manipulation, part of his plan.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well his potential was never closed to meant ion and he couldn't overpower obi wan kenobi in the force.

Of course he,wants to survive so he can lead the empire. Manipulation, part of his plan.

I can also reference Cad Bane also taking on Jedi by himself.

He always intended to manipulate anakin. He wasn't aware of the circumstances that later befell him but took advantage of that after Anakin showed up.

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^ At 13:50, 14:00 and at 15:15 Savage Opress is easily Force choking Madalorian warriors shooting at him in a 1 v 1 scenario. I mean he's doing it with absolute ease. Completely stomping them from the get go.

That's the same Savage Opress that Sidious tosses around and crushes instantaneously and with total ease.

Quanchi as per usual is trying desperately to equate every Jedi and Sith in the same league with Force Powers. Because he himself has picked the most Powerful Sith for this fight.

Khan gets s*** stomped in 0.05 seconds. And no amount of fanboysim from Quanchi will change that.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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^ At 13:50, 14:00 and at 15:15 Savage Opress is easily Force choking Madalorian warriors shooting at him in a 1 v 1 scenario. I mean he's doing it with absolute ease. Completely stomping them from the get go.

That's the same Savage Opress that Sidious tosses around and crushes instantaneously and with total ease.

Quanchi as per usual is trying desperately to equate every Jedi and Sith in the same league with Force Powers. Because he himself has picked the most Powerful Sith for this fight.

Khan gets s*** stomped in 0.05 seconds. And no amount of fanboysim from Quanchi will change that.

We all known Maul always put Oppress in his place due to being superior.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zEu_U78XFg4
2:24 in we see Vizsla disarm Maul in an all out war. At the start of the video we see oppress easily deal with a scrub mandalorian but when we see his superior Maul it takes one helluva fight to come out on top against the best mandalorian.

It takes maul less than 10 seconds to come out on top against him here. Opress isn't near his level like Pre Vizsla was. So by comparison the mandalorians were fearless mooks Opress took down.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2SF6RuXUw

Evidence always shines through.

Your clips also come up as spam ads. Fix your shit.

Khan is on another level than Pre Vizsla who took on Maul in a sword fight as well with his skills who is vastly superior to Opress as I just proved.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Even dooku couldn't overpower yoda in their knowledge of the force. Most Jedi and Sith have to battle it out with a light saber. That's what they generally do. The same was true when Windu went after Jango. It wasn't force powers destroying him despite you fanboys pretending it's that easy.

I can also reference Cad Bane also taking on Jedi by himself.

He always intended to manipulate anakin. He wasn't aware of the circumstances that later befell him but took advantage of that after Anakin showed up.

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You mistook my point. You said that I s*** on anakin reputation. If he was the big bad chosen one you make him about to be he would have overpowered a simple obi wan kenobi yet he didn't.

None of which just used force choke or lightning instantly.

How didn't he know about the circumstances? In the commentary Lucas explicitly states that Sidious knows the circumstances, he knows anakin needs him to save padme, implying that he knows anakin will come back. Also he already knows the Jedi are coming, so he has time to formulate this plan. So how didn't he know about the circumstances?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You mistook my point. You said that I s*** on anakin reputation. If he was the big bad chosen one you make him about to be he would have overpowered a simple obi wan kenobi yet he didn't.

None of which just used force choke or lightning instantly.

How didn't he know about the circumstances? In the commentary Lucas explicitly states that Sidious knows the circumstances, he knows anakin needs him to save padme, implying that he knows anakin will come back. Also he already knows the Jedi are coming, so he has time to formulate this plan. So how didn't he know about the circumstances?

Then cite some examples. Because he can't predict the fight Windu and he would have until he had it. If you want to make the claim he knew you need to prove it. The burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I brought up evidence and I'll cite even more. Choking him doesn't make him unable to defend himself. If you think anyone is unable to react while being choked initially you're a buffoon. He's also super resilient so it increases the length of time needed to choke him out. What's the quickest force choke out for Palpatine ?

Let's break this down. Feat by feat. I promise you khan's feats are quicker.

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Watch TCW. Sidious Force chokes 2 Mandalorians guards and pins them to a wall where they're helpless. This is without even being in the room, by the way. He also pins Maul and Savage to a wall where they can't even move their arms until he lets them, and they're physical beasts. What's Khan gonna do when that happens to him? Nothing, all he can do is clench his teeth and take it up the ass.

Hell, Khan can't even hurt Palpatine. His phaser is useless against Sidious.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Watch TCW. Sidious Force chokes 2 Mandalorians guards and pins them to a wall where they're helpless. This is without even being in the room, by the way. What's Khan gonna do when that happens to him? Nothing, all he can do is clench his teeth and take it up the ass.

Hell, Khan can't even hurt Palpatine. His phaser is useless against Sidious.

Khan kills him with a single shot of the Boolean gun which takes down Klingon ships whereas force lightning didn't even scar Luke after over a minute of prolonged exposure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was the chosen one of the force but he ended up being a massive disappointment. He was a train wreck throughout the films and his incompetence was legendary.

Then cite some examples. Because he can't predict the fight Windu and he would have until he had it. If you want to make the claim he knew you need to prove it. The burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim.

Exactly he really messed up his repuatation.

Watch the Lucas commentary, where he says this. It's during the time where anakin has just told windu that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. Also if he's throwing the fight he wouldn't need to predict it. Also he had plenty of opening he could have used his mastery of the force to take him out or with his lightsaber.

https://youtu.be/dATuq8O3920 this scene shows anakin telling he's going to tell the Jedi on palaptine. This also shows how he tells him how knows everything that's been troubling anakin. So yes he knows the circumstances. Also the commentary also confirms this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Exactly he really messed up his repuatation.

Watch the Lucas commentary, where he says this. It's during the time where anakin has just told windu that Palpatine is the Sith Lord. Also if he's throwing the fight he wouldn't need to predict it. Also he had plenty of opening he could have used his mastery of the force to take him out or with his lightsaber.

Where he says what ? Post the exact quote. You continue to avoid stating anything of value to prove he threw the fight. He feigned weakness after he was defeated to manipulate Anakin. Saying he knew exactly what was going down without evidence isn't debating.