Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't be serious. Are you arguing just to argue ? Does Khan run around with a laser sword and use force powers ? No, so they aren't comparable to Khan. Yoda and Windu don't use phasers or shoot with his accuracy or firepower. Their skill sets couldn't possibly be more different unless you think swordsman are experts in guns and vice versa.Samus is a chick. Lost me already.
So?
That's why I want to see how badly she destroys Khan.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerJust as ridiculous as me stating a movie line and someone say prove he can outcook Martha Stewart. What are his cooking feats ? You brought the thread you won't even post in because you're a gutless coward. I already proved my case there. Moving on.
LOL I did not concede a single thing. Only person who made a concession was you, when you admitted that Khan didn't have the onscreen feats to back some of your claims. I have it quoted and underlined so you cannot deny it. Stop crying about the thread you lost and stick to the topic. It's becoming pathetic. I'm not going to indulge your fantasies on this any longer. Anyone who reads that thread can see the truth.lol so you have no proof that Khan has any counter to force tk, so you are just dodging? LOL at you acting like one of the most powerful force users in the series can't disarm someone, when lesser force users easily can, and he himself has performed feats that would be far more difficult (and that is ignoring his The Clone Wars feats). And based on feats, his force powers more than compensate for his age. So again, you acting like he is just an old man is a joke. And again, LOL at your double standards by trying to ignore Sidious' force feats by claiming they were against fodder, yet try to compare Khan aiming and firing at featless Klingons, while performing a pre-planned leap under his own power, is the same as hitting a high level force user, with precog, while he is being tossed around or choked by a force beyond his control.
If you want to claim that Khan will fire accurately and hit Sidious while being ragdolled or choked, post evidence that he can hit targets who have precog, while he is busy being choked or tossed around by external forces. Without proof, your claim is nothing but hot air. But knowing you, your next post will be nothing but a giant dodge.
He shoots him. Force powers used by Jedi versus non Jedi have been countered. You ignoring the evidence is par for the course. You people want to script the fight and argue like brick walls.
Clone wars feats are fair game. Use them. They still don't prove your case. Khan's shoulder gun is carried differently than any gun a force user has ripped out via force powers. He's also stronger and greater than any Star Wars schlub he's done this to.
Khan beat Klingons who had Kirk defeated and the enterprise crew on their toes. Kirk was beaten and at their mercy. That's a feat, boy.
Uhura's words in regards in the Klingons,"[/B]We're outnumbered, outgunned. There's no way we survive if we attack first[/B]." Enter Khan.
Precog is an excuse. Precog didn't help
1) prevent yoda from confronting him
2) darth vader from killing him
3) yoda from force pushing him
4) windu from disarming him
Khan can fire mid air and it isn't my job to disprove your tactics. It is your job to prove them.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He has to focus to use his force powers. That's how it works, noob. Do maul and oppress use guns or do they use light sabers ?
What focus did you see. Based on the video Sidious choked them with no line sight, no hand movement, and looks like no focus he just did it. His focus was on maul and they were still choking. He was perfectly ready to handle anything, so no he wasn't left open he was perfectly positioned to take action if say maul and savage were attempting to attack premature.y.Prove it. Based off of that video show me his focus.
Oh the fact that while he's getting his weapon out he's already being choked.
In 1 second khan is half way dead. You have failed to prove your point or counter mine so therefore you concede.
You do not understand how the force powers work.
Prove it.
Based on what ? Who has palpatine killed this quickly ? When he's armed with his saber characters last a lots more than a second. Post evidence to support your claims.
[QUOTE=15234381]Originally posted by quanchi112
Just as ridiculous as me stating a movie line and someone say prove he can outcook Martha Stewart. What are his cooking feats ? You brought the thread you won't even post in because you're a gutless coward. I already proved my case there. Moving on.
He shoots him. Force powers used by Jedi versus non Jedi have been countered. You ignoring the evidence is par for the course. You people want to script the fight and argue like brick walls.
Clone wars feats are fair game. Use them. They still don't prove your case. Khan's shoulder gun is carried differently than any gun a force user has ripped out via force powers. He's also stronger and greater than any Star Wars schlub he's done this to.
Khan beat Klingons who had Kirk defeated and the enterprise crew on their toes. Kirk was beaten and at their mercy. That's a feat, boy.
Uhura's words in regards in the Klingons,"We're outnumbered, outgunned. There's no way we survive if we attack first[/B]." Enter Khan.
Precog is an excuse. Precog didn't help
1) prevent yoda from confronting him
2) darth vader from killing him
3) yoda from force pushing him
4) windu from disarming him
This is in response to the precog list you made.
1) He doing kill each Jedi himself so how was he supposed to stop yoda from coming to his office.
2) Arrogance, he had just defeated the rebel alliance basically, and was about to kill the last Jedi of all time and vader had just taken an arm and had 20+ years to rebel yet didn't. So why would he even suspect vader?
3. Not a valid point as he was overcomfident and they were close and the moment he lift his hand he is pushed.
4). The argument that he let him win is there and also, mid battle whether he threw the fight or not, how is him being disarmed a bad showing of precog?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
[QUOTE=15234381]Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Just as ridiculous as me stating a movie line and someone say prove he can outcook Martha Stewart. What are his cooking feats ? You brought the thread you won't even post in because you're a gutless coward. I already proved my case there. Moving on.He shoots him. Force powers used by Jedi versus non Jedi have been countered. You ignoring the evidence is par for the course. You people want to script the fight and argue like brick walls.
Clone wars feats are fair game. Use them. They still don't prove your case. Khan's shoulder gun is carried differently than any gun a force user has ripped out via force powers. He's also stronger and greater than any Star Wars schlub he's done this to.
Khan beat Klingons who had Kirk defeated and the enterprise crew on their toes. Kirk was beaten and at their mercy. That's a feat, boy.
We're outnumbered, outgunned. There's no way we survive if we attack first[/B]." Enter Khan.
Uhura's words in regards in the Klingons,"Precog is an excuse. Precog didn't help
1) prevent yoda from confronting him
2) darth vader from killing him
3) yoda from force pushing him
4) windu from disarming himThis is in response to the precog list you made.
1) He doing kill each Jedi himself so how was he supposed to stop yoda from coming to his office.
2) Arrogance, he had just defeated the rebel alliance basically, and was about to kill the last Jedi of all time and vader had just taken an arm and had 20+ years to rebel yet didn't. So why would he even suspect vader?
3. Not a valid point as he was overcomfident and they were close and the moment he lift his hand he is pushed.
4). The argument that he let him win is there and also, mid battle whether he threw the fight or not, how is him being disarmed a bad showing of precog? [/B]
1) Precog should have told him all the Jedi were not killed. Huge failure.
2) so arrogance can cost him his life here. Perfect.
3) so he can be overconfident as well and you just say let's ignore it. Nah. It's proof.
4) support the theory he let him win. Nothing in the movies alludes to this, kiddo. If Precog was as on as you claim order 66 would have been figured out by one of the lame Jedi. One would only think. Precog is a joke.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He has to focus to use his force powers. That's how it works, noob. Do maul and oppress use guns or do they use light sabers ?You do not understand how the force powers work.
Prove it.
Based on what ? Who has palpatine killed this quickly ? When he's armed with his saber characters last a lots more than a second. Post evidence to support your claims.
Whether he does or not it's instant and what is Khan going to Dow hole he is choking. Based off that feat he doesn't need to see khan, he doesn't need hand movements, and concentration slim to nothing of needed. He just walked through the door and went for maul. He didn't give 2 cents about those guards so him needing to concentrate doesn't help your argument. Another invalid point made by the disgrace, what does him having a gun and maul having a lightsaber have to do with anything. He was ready for what ever they had.
No you don't understand how the force works, or even how to comprehend what you see. Sidious in both showings whether he used it, and in the 2nd one didn't he showed little to no focus on choking them. He choked the first pair and then put his hand down and went to the speeder type thing and just rode away. 2) he choked them form behind a wall, no hand gestures and agains with little to no focus. Concession accepted.
Rewtach the Sidious vs maul video. Choked them within seconds and took his sweet time too.
The fact that his lighting and choke kill pretty quickly and put the two together it's KO for Khan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) Precog should have told him all the Jedi were not killed. Huge failure.2) so arrogance can cost him his life here. Perfect.
3) so he can be overconfident as well and you just say let's ignore it. Nah. It's proof.
4) support the theory he let him win. Nothing in the movies alludes to this, kiddo. If Precog was as on as you claim order 66 would have been figured out by one of the lame Jedi. One would only think. Precog is a joke.
1) Not inherently, I mean vader did his job and the clones did there's, so why even go to the trouble when basically your apprentice killed all the Jedi in the temple and the clones killed most of the off world Jedi. Not really a huge failure.
2) Well vader is someone Sidious has known for 40+ years as anakin and then the rest as vader, and vader was crippled and had just gone through a major incapacitation. Also yoda, Sidious everyone states that once you go down the dark path, there is no return. So with that and it's never happened why would you even suspect that someone who will never pass your power, never improve beyond the level you are at already, why would you expect him to betray you?. So khan is different, he has no idea who this guy is and, is going to be like " I don't have time for this and just choke him.
3. Yes, he can be overconfident and just go by what he wishes.
4. I'm not trying to start that debate with you as you would lose anyway. I'm trying to give you all of the possible answers. If you ask other, that could be an answer, so I'm preparing for all the possible answer. There actually is proof to Sidious throwing the fight whether you like to admit it or not. So precog could work, but I doubt he needs it as he can just choke khan out in 1-5 seconds and cut that in half with lightning.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2People can fight back when choking. This is also a super soldier with super resiliency. You making the claim he easily chokes him out when he has no feats to suggest he can do so to someone of Khan's caliber.
Whether he does or not it's instant and what is Khan going to Dow hole he is choking. Based off that feat he doesn't need to see khan, he doesn't need hand movements, and concentration slim to nothing of needed. He just walked through the door and went for maul. He didn't give 2 cents about those guards so him needing to concentrate doesn't help your argument. Another invalid point made by the disgrace, what does him having a gun and maul having a lightsaber have to do with anything. He was ready for what ever they had.No you don't understand how the force works, or even how to comprehend what you see. Sidious in both showings whether he used it, and in the 2nd one didn't he showed little to no focus on choking them. He choked the first pair and then put his hand down and went to the speeder type thing and just rode away. 2) he choked them form behind a wall, no hand gestures and agains with little to no focus. Concession accepted.
Rewtach the Sidious vs maul video. Choked them within seconds and took his sweet time too.
The fact that his lighting and choke kill pretty quickly and put the two together it's KO for Khan.
Post the clip so I can break this down. To do so he must focus. That's undeniable. You can argue minimal focus all you want but it's still focus all the same. When fighting a highly skilled opponent one needs his concentration or else he might get killed. We see this is true with regards for Jango vs. the Jedi.
Post the clip. How quickly ? Prove it with evidence. I can prove Khan can kill in less than a second.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious21) if an entire Jedi order has Precog then less than one percent survived order 66. Awful percentage of effectiveness.
1) Not inherently, I mean vader did his job and the clones did there's, so why even go to the trouble when basically your apprentice killed all the Jedi in the temple and the clones killed most of the off world Jedi. Not really a huge failure.2) Well vader is someone Sidious has known for 40+ years as anakin and then the rest as vader, and vader was crippled and had just gone through a major incapacitation. Also yoda, Sidious everyone states that once you go down the dark path, there is no return. So with that and it's never happened why would you even suspect that someone who will never pass your power, never improve beyond the level you are at already, why would you expect him to betray you?. So khan is different, he has no idea who this guy is and, is going to be like " I don't have time for this and just choke him.
3. Yes, he can be overconfident and just go by what he wishes.
4. I'm not trying to start that debate with you as you would lose anyway. I'm trying to give you all of the possible answers. If you ask other, that could be an answer, so I'm preparing for all the possible answer. There actually is proof to Sidious throwing the fight whether you like to admit it or not. So precog could work, but I doubt he needs it as he can just choke khan out in 1-5 seconds and cut that in half with lightning.
2. It isn't whether you suspect treachery it's whether Precog alerts you or not. He was not only stupid to not calculate or suspect vader might try to kill but also precogless as well in this situation.
3. So you admit his overconfidence is a huge weakness.
4. Throwing out random theories you can't prove isn't debating. You know you can't prove it, fanboy. I'll accept your concession here.
Originally posted by quanchi112so he can fight agaisn't choke and lighting at the same time from the second or third most powerful dark sider in the Star Wars lore? BS. You are making stuff up. Anakain has durability yet he has been disabled by Dooku and Sidious, Dooku on more than one occasion. Concession accepted. What caliber is khan to where he is all of a sudden immune to force choke? He isn't a force weilder so doesn't have a sheild so he is going to get choked. If Sidious can ragdoll maul and anakin he can desentegrate Khan with ease.
People can fight back when choking. This is also a super soldier with super resiliency. You making the claim he easily chokes him out when he has no feats to suggest he can do so to someone of Khan's caliber.Post the clip so I can break this down. To do so he must focus. That's undeniable. You can argue minimal focus all you want but it's still focus all the same. When fighting a highly skilled opponent one needs his concentration or else he might get killed. We see this is true with regards for Jango vs. the Jedi.
Post the clip. How quickly ? Prove it with evidence. I can prove Khan can kill in less than a second.
Im not about to repost the same battle over and over everytime you don't get how the force works. The concentration he used if any you are trying to say it was enough to where it leaves him open. He choked 4 mandlorian death watch members with ease. Why is Khan any different?
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1) if an entire Jedi order has Precog then less than one percent survived order 66. Awful percentage of effectiveness.2. It isn't whether you suspect treachery it's whether Precog alerts you or not. He was not only stupid to not calculate or suspect vader might try to kill but also precogless as well in this situation.
3. So you admit his overconfidence is a huge weakness.
4. Throwing out random theories you can't prove isn't debating. You know you can't prove it, fanboy. I'll accept your concession here.
You are being nit picky. Sidious had an entire army that surrounded the Jedi. Why would he even bother with precog? He had vader take out every Jedi in the temple. Check. He had his clone troopers take out all the Jedi off world. Oops. Ok so now he tells all remaining Jedi to come back to coruscant. Also still he can't stop yoda from coming to is office.
2. It also depends if you use it. Being overcomfident you don't use it.
3. It can be if he lets it go the better of him.
4. Actually it's not a random theory. Lucas has neither approved of disproved in fact he purposely leaves it out their for debate. I can counter everything you throw at me with their Windu vs Sidous thing. I can also throw some back at you. Actually I can prove it. You wanna debate this we can you start off since you wanted to.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Yes, he shoots him while he is being force choked.
so he can fight agaisn't choke and lighting at the same time from the second or third most powerful dark sider in the Star Wars lore? BS. You are making stuff up. Anakain has durability yet he has been disabled by Dooku and Sidious, Dooku on more than one occasion. Concession accepted. What caliber is khan to where he is all of a sudden immune to force choke? He isn't a force weilder so doesn't have a sheild so he is going to get choked. If Sidious can ragdoll maul and anakin he can desentegrate Khan with ease.Im not about to repost the same battle over and over everytime you don't get how the force works. The concentration he used if any you are trying to say it was enough to where it leaves him open. He choked 4 mandlorian death watch members with ease. Why is Khan any different?
Concession accepted.
Clean this first paragraph up. It's awful and I can't tell what the he'll you're trying to say.
I didn't say he's immune to it I said he's highly resilient. Do you know what the word means ?
Jango fett nor are droids resistant yet they were going to overwhelm windu+Anakin+Obi, other Jedi as well. A fodder army was going to beat them until yoda showed up.
Do the madnalorians have khans regenerative qualities. No, they do not. Watch the ****ing movie, fanboy.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2No, I am citing factual data. You Star Wars apologists want to make up theories and excuses to pretend oh this doesn't count. That doesn't count. Overconfident, arrogant. Etc.
You are being nit picky. Sidious had an entire army that surrounded the Jedi. Why would he even bother with precog? He had vader take out every Jedi in the temple. Check. He had his clone troopers take out all the Jedi off world. Oops. Ok so now he tells all remaining Jedi to come back to coruscant. Also still he can't stop yoda from coming to is office.2. It also depends if you use it. Being overcomfident you don't use it.
3. It can be if he lets it go the better of him.
4. Actually it's not a random theory. Lucas has neither approved of disproved in fact he purposely leaves it out their for debate. I can counter everything you throw at me with their Windu vs Sidous thing. I can also throw some back at you. Actually I can prove it. You wanna debate this we can you start off since you wanted to.
Vader showed up with thousands of troops. He didn't do it all by his lonesome.
2. Based on what proof ? Prove any overconfident force user dismisses Precog.
3. Good, Anakin good.
4. No evidence in the films. If you don't have evidence you have nothing. He lost.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he shoots him while he is being force choked.Clean this first paragraph up. It's awful and I can't tell what the he'll you're trying to say.
I didn't say he's immune to it I said he's highly resilient. Do you know what the word means ?
Jango fett nor are droids resistant yet they were going to overwhelm windu+Anakin+Obi, other Jedi as well. A fodder army was going to beat them until yoda showed up.
Do the madnalorians have khans regenerative qualities. No, they do not. Watch the ****ing movie, fanboy.
And shocked with multiple torrents of lighting? I don't think so. I doubt he can even use his weapon while he's being choked as Sidious could easily just use the force to take the weapon out of his hand.
That sounds like your problem as I had no problem writing it and you e had no problem reading the rest of my work.
Whatever you meant both are false. He will be destroyed in short order the same as most of Sidious' casualties are.
Oh my get over the Jango felt vs obi wan mace. Get over it. This is Sidious choking Khan. Which he will do with ease.
Again doesn't matter as lighting and choke and other TK is definitely enough to take care of anything Khan has.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am citing factual data. You Star Wars apologists want to make up theories and excuses to pretend oh this doesn't count. That doesn't count. Overconfident, arrogant. Etc.Vader showed up with thousands of troops. He didn't do it all by his lonesome.
2. Based on what proof ? Prove any overconfident force user dismisses Precog.
3. Good, Anakin good.
4. No evidence in the films. If you don't have evidence you have nothing. He lost.
No you are being nit picky. Well you are just trying to ease your butthurt. So you lose. Precog is a common ability to all force weilders.
Sidiosu on two occasions.
3. Stalker and perv you are.
4. Actually that's where I get the majority of not all of my information from so again if you wish to combat me on this argument launch the first shot or concede.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You are telling me if you are being choked you can't raise your gun and fire ??? 😂
And shocked with multiple torrents of lighting? I don't think so. I doubt he can even use his weapon while he's being choked as Sidious could easily just use the force to take the weapon out of his hand.That sounds like your problem as I had no problem writing it and you e had no problem reading the rest of my work.
Whatever you meant both are false. He will be destroyed in short order the same as most of Sidious' casualties are.
Oh my get over the Jango felt vs obi wan mace. Get over it. This is Sidious choking Khan. Which he will do with ease.
Again doesn't matter as lighting and choke and other TK is definitely enough to take care of anything Khan has.
Now you're scripting the fight. Khan can outright tank the force lightning if Luke can.
Most of the sentences were indecipherable.
Not windu. Not yoda. Mail and oppress weren't destroyed in seconds either. 😂 😂
Based on ?
Quit scripting and support your claims with evidence.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
And shocked with multiple torrents of lighting? I don't think so. I doubt he can even use his weapon while he's being choked as Sidious could easily just use the force to take the weapon out of his hand.That sounds like your problem as I had no problem writing it and you e had no problem reading the rest of my work.
Whatever you meant both are false. He will be destroyed in short order the same as most of Sidious' casualties are.
Oh my get over the Jango felt vs obi wan mace. Get over it. This is Sidious choking Khan. Which he will do with ease.
Again doesn't matter as lighting and choke and other TK is definitely enough to take care of anything Khan has.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No you are being nit picky. Well you are just trying to ease your butthurt. So you lose. Precog is a common ability to all force weilders.Sidiosu on two occasions.
3. Stalker and perv you are.
4. Actually that's where I get the majority of not all of my information from so again if you wish to combat me on this argument launch the first shot or concede.
Ouch, that hurt even me. No recovery.