Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Glad you concur that Vader is a wreck.

Where he says what ? Post the exact quote. You continue to avoid stating anything of value to prove he threw the fight. He feigned weakness after he was defeated to manipulate Anakin. Saying he knew exactly what was going down without evidence isn't debating.

I posted the video earlier I had to edit it to add some stuff so you didn't get that part. Rewtach the commentary I don't think we can quote commentaries but if we can please tell how but I suggest you rewtach the movie. Lucas basically says " Sidious knows that anakin knows that he is the only way to save padme" so he would know he would want to come back to him to keep padme alive. He says Sidious knows this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I posted the video earlier I had to edit it to add some stuff so you didn't get that part. Rewtach the commentary I don't think we can quote commentaries but if we can please tell how but I suggest you rewtach the movie. Lucas basically says " Sidious knows that anakin knows that he is the only way to save padme" so he would know he would want to come back to him to keep padme alive. He says Sidious knows this.

How you can't tell the difference makes me feel bad for you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You still don't understand. Palpatine knew to play that card AFTER he lost the battle. He manipulated his way out of the losing situation due to Anakin's obsession with Padme's fate. I in fact already stated this. At no point does your commentary suggest Palpatine lost on purpose.

How you can't tell the difference makes me feel bad for you.

Prove it hel he didn't know the Jedi aren't coming, prove how he doesn't know anakin is coming. Palaptine is clearly the superior duelist of the two, as per the novels in which Lucas considers to be G-Cannon, Sidious and a 100% amped windu with vaapad stood as equals. This means that anything less Sidious is the superior duelist. He already knew about his problem with padme. Also it links to it as it shows that he knew anakin would come to him so he knew to lose on purpose so that way anakin would help him out.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Prove it hel he didn't know the Jedi aren't coming, prove how he doesn't know anakin is coming. Palaptine is clearly the superior duelist of the two, as per the novels in which Lucas considers to be G-Cannon, Sidious and a 100% amped windu with vaapad stood as equals. This means that anything less Sidious is the superior duelist. He already knew about his problem with padme. Also it links to it as it shows that he knew anakin would come to him so he knew to lose on purpose so that way anakin would help him out.

In the films Windu won. Quit citing non movie information that is abc logic. We see on screen Windu beat that ass.

He figured Anakin would come to him eventually and due to the circumstances he was in that he could force an impulsive decision out of him with Windu lording over him. You claimed Palpatine threw the fight so prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim he through the fight. Your evidence was not evidence at all. You're too dumb to understand your own points.

In the films Windu won. Quit citing non movie information that is abc logic. We see on screen Windu beat that ass.

He figured Anakin would come to him eventually and due to the circumstances he was in that he could force an impulsive decision out of him with Windu lording over him. You claimed Palpatine threw the fight so prove it.

Actually you just can't counter them.

You are seriously doing this. Yes in the films we see windu win but what we are discussing is whether he legit lost or did he throw the fight. Actually abc logic is ?>?>?. I didn't use that. Ok good so you do concede he knew anakin was coming. He placed himself in those circumstances. He placed himself in that position so he could get anakin to turn.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually you just can't counter them.

You are seriously doing this. Yes in the films we see windu win but what we are discussing is whether he legit lost or did he throw the fight. Actually abc logic is ?>?>?. I didn't use that. Ok good so you do concede he knew anakin was coming. He placed himself in those circumstances. He placed himself in that position so he could get anakin to turn.

No, i said he believed anakin would eventually give into his obsession. He was not aware prior to the fight the events that would take place beforehand. Once Palpatine saw him there he manipulated him and feigned weakness. I understand what I watch you you're a train wreck.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't prove it.

No, i said he believed anakin would eventually give into his obsession. He was not aware prior to the fight the events that would take place beforehand. Once Palpatine saw him there he manipulated him and feigned weakness. I understand what I watch you you're a train wreck.

Actually I did it strings into palaptines events.

No you said he figured that anakin would come to him eventually. You literally said those words in your last post. Prove that he didn't know about the events before the fight. He knew the Jedi were coming so he knew a fight would come. We both agree he knew anakin was coming, and we knew he wanted anakin to be his apprentice. Why couldn't he just fill in that last piece of the puzzle. He's already tested anakin with the Dooku vs Anakin scene in the beginning as stated by the commentary, it was a test designed by Sidious to see if anakin had what it took to be his apprentice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have seen the episode where he comes after maul due to seeing him as his rival. He got the drop on them and they were featless.

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At 0:24

2 Mandalorian Warriors, both have their guns pointed at Sidious ready to fire. 0:35 onwards- Both of them go down crying just like Khan does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
scrub mandalorian warriors. Don't get it twisted, sport.

We all known Maul always put Oppress in his place due to being superior.

Exactly. And even Opress easily chokes out non-force users like Khan. So what do you think Maul would do? Let alone Sidious!

Originally posted by quanchi112

2:24 in we see Vizsla disarm Maul in an all out war. At the start of the video we see oppress easily deal with a scrub mandalorian but when we see his superior Maul it takes one helluva fight to come out on top against the best mandalorian.

Considering Maul never even once attempts to use Force Tk on Vizsla, your point is completely moot.

Look at Obi-Wan vs Pre-Vizsla:

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At 1:05 after a brief Saber skirmish Obi-Wan simply Force pushed him back into his men.

Nice try though Fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It takes maul less than 10 seconds to come out on top against him here. Opress isn't near his level like Pre Vizsla was. So by comparison the mandalorians were fearless mooks Opress took down.

LOL What?

Opress with Force usage would Destroy Pre-Vizsla.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Evidence always shines through.

That's great. Try actually bringing up something relevant though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your clips also come up as spam ads. Fix your shit.

Fix your head fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is on another level than Pre Vizsla who took on Maul in a sword fight as well with his skills who is vastly superior to Opress as I just proved.

LOL Your logic for Pre-Vizsla being superior to Opress is completely laughable. Using your same logic- Look at how easily Kenobi dealt with Vizsla compared to how often Opress has given him real trouble. Going by that Opress is in another league to Vizsla.

LMAO about Khan being on another level to Vizsla.

Vizsla flies, has a Lightsaber, has body armor, has all sorts of weapons built into his suit, and he used IT ALL on Maul. And Maul still beat him, without even Once resorting to so much as a mild Force push.

Not to mention we're talking Sidious vs Khan here. Which frankly is a Laughable idea of a fight.

Sidious rage stomps Khan in less than 3 seconds. It's a force stomp however sidious pleases

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sidious rage stomps Khan in less than 3 seconds. It's a force stomp however sidious pleases

Tell that Quan he keeps saying that khans going to use his superhuman "accuracy" and shoot Sidious before he gets choked when Sidious doesn't even need out see him to do it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Tell that Quan he keeps saying that khans going to use his superhuman "accuracy" and shoot Sidious before he gets choked when Sidious doesn't even need out see him to do it.

Wouldn't matter even if he could see him. Sidious took out 2 Jedi Masters before they could even react.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually I did it strings into palaptines events.

No you said he figured that anakin would come to him eventually. You literally said those words in your last post. Prove that he didn't know about the events before the fight. He knew the Jedi were coming so he knew a fight would come. We both agree he knew anakin was coming, and we knew he wanted anakin to be his apprentice. Why couldn't he just fill in that last piece of the puzzle. He's already tested anakin with the Dooku vs Anakin scene in the beginning as stated by the commentary, it was a test designed by Sidious to see if anakin had what it took to be his apprentice.

Nothing you said even alludes to him having a premonition of the Windu loss.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have seen the episode where he comes after maul due to seeing him as his rival. He got the drop on them and they were featless. It's like saying vader force chokes a guy through a screen. Of course they can't do anything about it due to him not being physically in the room. This is entire different.

Khan kills him with a single shot of the Boolean gun which takes down Klingon ships whereas force lightning didn't even scar Luke after over a minute of prolonged exposure.

So? What feats does Khan have that suggest he can counter Force powers? He is literally defenseless against it.

😆 Sidious can blitz 3 battle-hardened Masters, but Khan's gonna hit him? Get serious.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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2 Mandalorian Warriors, both have their guns pointed at Sidious ready to fire. 0:35 onwards- Both of them go down crying just like Khan does.

They had the drop on him and clearly said, "Halt." This gave him the jump on them. They obviously were just regular featless fodder. Khan won't hesitate and he would have been dead before he calmly walked into his direction.

Khan doesn't point his gun and scream, halt. He shoots to kill, sporty.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So? What feats does Khan have that suggest he can counter Force powers? He is literally defenseless against it.

😆 Sidious can blitz 3 battle-hardened Masters, but Khan's gonna hit him? Get serious.

Pre Vizsla, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, and Cad Bane have no defense against it but they seem to do just fine.

You claiming otherwise and making up imaginary feats or relying against scrubs shows how toothless your case is.

Yes. He killed three inferior opponents in a sword fight. Khan doesn't get into sword duels. He uses guns. Besides that when Palpatine was alone against a peer he lost. Windu beat that ass.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Boolean gun, skills, etc.

Pre Vizsla, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, and Cad Bane have no defense against it but they seem to do just fine.

You claiming otherwise and making up imaginary feats or relying against scrubs shows how toothless your case is.

Yes. He killed three inferior opponents in a sword fight. Khan doesn't get into sword duels. He uses guns. Besides that when Palpatine was alone against a peer he lost. Windu beat that ass.

All of those things are useless compared to the Force.

And none of those guys fought Sidious, their performance against opponents who favor the saber over the Force is irrelevant.

He defeated Yoda and Yoda is > Windu.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Exactly. And even Opress easily chokes out non-force users like Khan. So what do you think Maul would do? Let alone Sidious!

Considering Maul never even once attempts to use Force Tk on Vizsla, your point is completely moot.

Look at Obi-Wan vs Pre-Vizsla:

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At 1:05 after a brief Saber skirmish Obi-Wan simply Force pushed him back into his men.

Nice try though Fanboy.

LOL What?

Opress with Force usage would Destroy Pre-Vizsla.

That's great. Try actually bringing up something relevant though.

Fix your head fanboy.

LOL Your logic for Pre-Vizsla being superior to Opress is completely laughable. Using your same logic- Look at how easily Kenobi dealt with Vizsla compared to how often Opress has given him real trouble. Going by that Opress is in another league to Vizsla.

LMAO about Khan being on another level to Vizsla.

Vizsla flies, has a Lightsaber, has body armor, has all sorts of weapons built into his suit, and he used IT ALL on Maul. And Maul still beat him, without even Once resorting to so much as a mild Force push.

Not to mention we're talking Sidious vs Khan here. Which frankly is a Laughable idea of a fight.

False. We see maul use a force push against Obi to win the fight. it's about opportunity. Maul used it when it benefited him. He didn't seem like he had the opportunity but either way it's speculation.

We clearly see in the video Pre throw Obi his light saber back showing he'd arm him with his weapon of choice. Obis force attack didn't significantly harm him whatsoever. I agree it can be used with lesser impact on Khan who has super recovery abilities. I have always maintained a force push merely Knicks you back unless it slams you hard into something else.

Speculation. We see him do far better against Maul without force powers. Maul didn't last more than ten seconds. Vizsla challenged him.

I have. Your evidence doesn't go against my claims.

Fix your spam links. Now.

Vizsla and Obi ended in a stalemate. You lying about their fight and acting like all three aren't superior to Opress is laughable. Opress was always just a brute with force powers. His skill was always pathetic compared to the big boys.

Khan is on another level based off feats.

Khan doesn't need to fly. Vizsla's jet pack is also easily damaged in combat. It was broken against maul and Jango's malfunctioned in combat by the beast. Inferior weapons. Slower weapons and less powerful weapons.

Speculation. We see jedis use force powers against bounty hunters. Mace needed his sword to win as well against Jango.

I agree it won't last long. Khan is too ruthless, too skilled, and carries too much firepower for Palpatine to deal with. Vader picking him up and tossing him was awfully pathetic that he was unable to mount a defense after being physically tossed over like an elderly woman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sidious rage stomps Khan in less than 3 seconds. It's a force stomp however sidious pleases

Originally posted by Psychotron
All of those things are useless compared to the Force.

And none of those guys fought Sidious, their performance against opponents who favor the saber over the Force is irrelevant.

He defeated Yoda and Yoda is > Windu.

Windu fought and defeated Palpatine. Windu killed Jango by bum rushing him after his jet pack broke. The usage of the force powers weren't used to defeat the badass bounty hunter by one of the best Jedi to date.

Windu beat Palpatine and there's no evidence to suggest yoda is better than Windu in a fight.

Yoda didn't beat anyone. 😂