Originally posted by quanchi112
The onus is on you to prove your claim not for me to disprove it. Palpatine always planned on using this to manipulate Anakin but wasn't aware of his situation until he laid on his backside begging for mercy when Anakin showed up.Nothing you said even alludes to him having a premonition of the Windu loss.
How was he not aware that that would happen. As seen in the movies, Sidious had different chances to take windu out with either the force or his lightsaber. Also the novel states that windu and Sidious stood as exact equals when windu was 100% vaapad. Also when he was shocking windu with lightning if he was causing windu to struggle in both the movies and the novel why did he stop if we all know he could have killed him. As stated in the books "windu didn't have the strength ot fight his on blade". And in both he gained weakness. Put two and two together and you have Sidious lettering anakin do it so he can turn to the dark side.
This is an extremely spiteful thread:
YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
Khan has no chance, see above.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2When did he have the chance ? He tried and failed. Movies only. Get that bs out of my sight, troll.
How was he not aware that that would happen. As seen in the movies, Sidious had different chances to take windu out with either the force or his lightsaber. Also the novel states that windu and Sidious stood as exact equals when windu was 100% vaapad. Also when he was shocking windu with lightning if he was causing windu to struggle in both the movies and the novel why did he stop if we all know he could have killed him. As stated in the books "windu didn't have the strength ot fight his on blade". And in both he gained weakness. Put two and two together and you have Sidious lettering anakin do it so he can turn to the dark side.
So far you have only speculated without any movie evidence whatsoever.
Such a lazy, awful debater you are but here goes.
Originally posted by Robtard
This is an extremely spiteful thread:YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnygKhan has no chance, see above.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lets review the evidence you posted shall we while adding a bit of my own.Khan super kick. We clearly see Khan is very capable of superhuman physicality. Look at the distance he kicks the foe backwards.
2:08-2:10
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uT8npGLg2g8
Windu kick. A well timed kick. Nothing impressive in terms of physicality. This is just at the right time to get the old man to drop his saber.
27 seconds in he disarms Palpatine
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w1K1LWxJF9M
Around 1:31 Palpatine again is kicked backwards.
😂
1:41 Palpatine kicks Maul and he barely moves.
😂
1:53 we see his guard is clearly down and can't ignore the previous kick against the physically less imposing Maul. The kick does no real significant damage either and just knocks him backward.
2:09 we clearly see Palpatine land another kick and Savage doesn't budge this time due to him having his guard up just as I theorized in the previous sentence.
3:18 yet another Palpatine kick and Maul barely moves back.
3:25 we see maul kick Palpatine. Looks around the same level of effectiveness in battle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU
As you can clearly see his kicks are only impressive when the opponents guard is down. The majority of the time he isn't physically impressive.
All it takes is one Boolean gun blast or a few blasts from his rifle.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is not taking on the force he is taking on a force user. Clones eradicated 99 percent of the force users. Hell, on geonosis the droids were going to overwhelm some of the best Jedi grouped together. Droids, dude. 😂Windu fought and defeated Palpatine. Windu killed Jango by bum rushing him after his jet pack broke. The usage of the force powers weren't used to defeat the badass bounty hunter by one of the best Jedi to date.
Windu beat Palpatine and there's no evidence to suggest yoda is better than Windu in a fight.
Yoda didn't beat anyone. 😂
That might be relevant if it's Sidious vs 100s of Khans. And if the Khans were initially allies of Sidious. And if they attacked him from behind. And if Sidious was a Jedi. But seeing as how he's a Sith Lord who likes to abuse his Force powers, and seeing as how there's only one Khan, well, Sidious rapestomps.
Sidious threw the fight against Windu, the movie makes it clear. I already explained why the Jedi don't often use the Force offensively. Sidious, however, is a Sith.
Except being the most powerful Jedi ever. Mace Windu couldn't defeat much weaker opponents.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he have the chance ? He tried and failed. Movies only. Get that bs out of my sight, troll.So far you have only speculated without any movie evidence whatsoever.
1) when they first walked in he could have unleashed lightning
2) when mace was running force lightning or a quick saber throw
3) when he had windu at saber point but didn't launch out and kill or lightning or anything else
Actually that's per debates fro this forum. This is more of a Star Wars versus battle and as far as I know anything their is fair game. Also in the novel they are stated as perfect equals(mace is 100% in vaapad). So this proves that Sidious is the greater duelist of the two.
Also Sidious,was able to stalemate yoda in an environment that was against him so that proves that Sidious is greater than windu in terms of dueling.
So far all I've done is give you points you can't disprove.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2For answers 1-3 you are speculating. That isn't debating.
https://youtu.be/YBLcxXR1PMw1) when they first walked in he could have unleashed lightning
2) when mace was running force lightning or a quick saber throw
3) when he had windu at saber point but didn't launch out and kill or lightning or anything else
Actually that's per debates fro this forum. This is more of a Star Wars versus battle and as far as I know anything their is fair game. Also in the novel they are stated as perfect equals(mace is 100% in vaapad). So this proves that Sidious is the greater duelist of the two.
Also Sidious,was able to stalemate yoda in an environment that was against him so that proves that Sidious is greater than windu in terms of dueling.
So far all I've done is give you points you can't disprove.
The facts suggest when Palpatine did use lightning due to having to fight without his saber it scarred his face.
Movie feats only. Only consideration is the clone wars series. You didn't even prove with a scan your novel claim anyways.
Windu won. He's better based off the film.
You haven't proven one thing and your imagination isn't a fact. The films and what occurred is.
Watch the learn, padawan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Such a lazy, awful debater you are but here goes.
Your post didn't counter anything and didn't prove anything. So that was a waste of my time and yours. No wonder you're so angry and spiteful.
Originally posted by Robtard
This is an extremely spiteful thread:YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnygKhan has no chance, see above.
Originally posted by RobtardI knew you wouldn't respond to me frame by frame destroying that clip against two inferior opponents who don't bring the weaponry, cunning, or abilities Khan does. I knew you'd just say nothing. Lol.
Your post didn't counter anything and didn't prove anything. So that was a waste of my time and yours. No wonder you're so angry and spiteful.
Just sit on the sideline where you belong, *****.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I knew you wouldn't respond to me frame by frame destroying that clip against two inferior opponents who don't bring the weaponry, cunning, or abilities Khan does. I knew you'd just say nothing. Lol.Just sit on the sideline where you belong, *****.
Because your points were irrelevant and you completely ignored or dodged what is most relevant in that clip, Palpatine's ability to rag-doll people with the Force.
Nice try, but did you actually think ignoring the relevant parts and focusing on the fluff would work?
Palpatine rag-dolls Khan with the Force like he did Maul. The clip > what you imagine happened. 04:25 of my clip
Originally posted by Robtard
This is an extremely spiteful thread:YouTube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnygKhan has no chance, see above.
Originally posted by RobtardIn your own clip Maul WAS NOT DEFEATED BY BEING RAGDOLLED BY THE FORCE. Somehow you think despite the evidence this defeats Khan who has superhuman recovery abilities. 😂
Because your points were irrelevant and you completely ignored or dodged what is most relevant in that clip, Palpatine's ability to rag-doll people with the Force.Nice try, but did you actually think ignoring the relevant parts and focusing on the fluff would work?
Palpatine rag-dolls Khan with the Force like he did Maul. The clip > what you imagine happened. 03:35
Continue to ignore while I'll continue to poke holes in your flimsy evidence which is irrelevant and you yourself ignore.
Maul was not defeated by being force RAGDOLLED. 😂
The clip makes it clear that can't even defeat maul.
Clip and what happened >>>>>your imagination.
I'm ****ing amazing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
For answers 1-3 you are speculating. That isn't debating.The facts suggest when Palpatine did use lightning due to having to fight without his saber it scarred his face.
Movie feats only. Only consideration is the clone wars series. You didn't even prove with a scan your novel claim anyways.
Windu won. He's better based off the film.
You haven't proven one thing and your imagination isn't a fact. The films and what occurred is.
Watch the learn, padawan.
How am I speculating. That's fact. If I have you at sword point like that I could have impaled you. Did you see how close they were. If he used the force to push it or just launch immediantly windu would have been down. Fact. If I have you running and your back is to me why couldn't I use lightning or throw my sword and hit you. Concession accepted. You can't debate look at this rubbish. You can't debate.
Actually it's known that he wore a SITH mask to cover his true face as it was necessary for his double life. The source that states this was denied by neither Lucas or Disney. Also the dark side disfigured a being once they have delved into it for so long. For instance Dooku, he wasn't messed up but when he got aggressive his eyes changed colors. Why is that? Force degrading skin due to the dark side. Windu didn't mess his face up, he just took the mask that was already there off.
I don't know how to scan the books but it's true that everything I say is true, if you have ROTS you can't find it, also movies books, clone wars all of that counts per this specific debate as this is Star Wars vs battle, not the movie vs battle.
He faked his win. Windu was also amped by vaapad meaning that on a normal day he would have been speed blitzed just like kit, kolar, and tinn. Even when he was amped to the max he was only a stalemate for Sidious, he states this in the books. So yes Sidious is the superior. Based on the films Sidious is better as he has better feats.
I have proved everything I need to. I have proved that Sidious knew anakin was coming, he knew the Jedi were coming, I proved he has time to formulate a plan, and that he had different times that he could have destroyed windu. All you can say is your normal catchphrase, specualtion. Refute them properly if you can or concede.
Sidious threw the fight. However on a side note. There is no right answer as Lucas nor Disney haven't given anything to say that he threw the fight or didn't leaving it for debate. So really we will be here forever as neither of us can effectively prove the other wrong. However if there is a victor it will be me as you suck at debating.