Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you just cite cutting his arm off to prove he couldn't perceive them? one was him not being able to perceive them when they were using their enhanced speed during the actual fight. Another was once the fight was over.. mace was standing over Palps and Anakin blocked a single saber strike and cut his arm off. You actually think that is the same thing? LOL. No, when Anakin was perceiving them fighting he couldn't even see them.. they just appeared to be a hazy cloud to him.

That wasn't the question... The question was... no matter how many droids you think were there... If you put Khan in that scene instead of the Jedi are you claiming he wouldn't have also been overwhelmed?

how is blocking blaster fire perceiving things at a human level speeds? Are you even trying to make sense anymore. Blocking multiple blaster fire shots is now human level speed? WTF. you can't be this dumb. You just illustrated how he is actually perceiving things at far greater than human speed. No human would be able to block blaster fire of multiple shots. not happening. Were know what blasters are and Lucas and even Disney has specified how they work and how fast they are. No human could react to that. So what do you mean he was perceiving things at human level speed? That is beyond idiotic

Give Khan allies and he would have prevailed. Give him his fellow augments and arm them. They'd rape that particular droid army we see.

They are skilled in swords. They can parry some of the blasts but acting they can parry multiple blasts from direction directions depends on the situation. We see order 66 proved they failed in massive numbers. I've seen Jango Fett do thing superhuman as well. ****, so does Spock, etc. these guys are all superhuman in feats. Trying to act like the Jedi are in another league is being disingenuous.

Khan's whole portrayal smacks the viewer in the face with how superhuman he is. Uhura said her, Kirk, and superhuman Spock had no chance against the Klingons but we see khan easily rape them and subdue those three as well.

Khan isn't a regular human, dude.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How? As far as I'm concerned you've debunked nothing except your own arguments.

Am I mace windu/Samuel L. Jackson. How am I supposed to know why he didn't use his offensive force powers. The point is he didn't and with that you saying that that is similar to khan you are stupid. Sidious is using his offensive force powers while windu didn't.

I know you are.

How am I suggesting they hold back I'm just saying that they didn't use their force powers as windu didn't in his battle with Jango.

It makes no sense to assume a character doesn't use his powers in the most effective manner when his life and his friends lives are at stake.

Sidious using those powers didn't ko or defeat Maul or Opress. 😱

Childish.

You are suggesting they reserve powers of tactics that would easily defeat opponents which means they are stupid. Your point makes no logical sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so ? Explain ?

It makes no sense to assume a character doesn't use his powers in the most effective manner when his life and his friends lives are at stake.

Sidious using those powers didn't ko or defeat Maul or Opress. 😱

Childish.

You are suggesting they reserve powers of tactics that would easily defeat opponents which means they are stupid. Your point makes no logical sense.

All of the arguments you have given, have been beaten also you have been stupid and given way to everyone else in the sense that you can't debate what so ever.

I'm not assuming I'm telling what's there. Did he use any offensive force powers. No. I'm telling you what we see. That's all I am and can do.

It actually did ko maul for a second or two and then he ragdolled him and shocked him with lightning. Also using the force in some instances means you have been pressed IMO.

Yes, yes you are childish.

I'm not suggesting anything. They use what they use, when they use it, how, they use it, however they want to use it. If I could read minds I would tell you why they do what they do but I can't. So no I'm not suggesting anything just telling you what we see. Waste of typing on your part.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
All of the arguments you have given, have been beaten also you have been stupid and given way to everyone else in the sense that you can't debate what so ever.

I'm not assuming I'm telling what's there. Did he use any offensive force powers. No. I'm telling you what we see. That's all I am and can do.

It actually did ko maul for a second or two and then he ragdolled him and shocked him with lightning. Also using the force in some instances means you have been pressed IMO.

Yes, yes you are childish.

I'm not suggesting anything. They use what they use, when they use it, how, they use it, however they want to use it. If I could read minds I would tell you why they do what they do but I can't. So no I'm not suggesting anything just telling you what we see. Waste of typing on your part.

So you have no rationale and ignore Obi force pushing Pre Viszla and guess what. He didn't defeat him. Evidence. 😂

Projecting.

So we go based off evidence and I just cited an example of a force user applying the power offensively to a top tier bounty hunter. It didn't beat him.

Boom. Evidence>>>you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The lightning didn't kill him the fall did. Plus he was also badly hurt by Anakin. Oh that pesky context.

I can be objective but just because you don't agree that doesn't mean anything. Subjectivity isn't objectivity.

He lost a hand, that doesn't affect the rest of his body like the lightning. Windu was completely helpless to Palpatine's lightning, and Palpatine also hit the highly skilled Yoda. I don't have to prove more than that, even by the standards you gave.

Context, quan. Can you be objective about a series's quality if you refuse to play it? Though I can objectively say Samus would defeat Khan.

Originally posted by The Scenario
He lost a hand, that doesn't affect the rest of his body like the lightning. Windu was completely helpless to Palpatine's lightning, and Palpatine also hit the highly skilled Yoda. I don't have to prove more than that, even by the standards you gave.

Context, quan. Can you be objective about a series's quality if you refuse to play it? Though I can objectively say Samus would defeat Khan.

Palpatine hit the highly skilled Yoda with an attack which took two seconds after he gave him fair warning of his intentions. That is not impressive.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlqDMcS_RE

Look and know despair.

I have played other games in the series and was not that impressed. I was very impressed by witcher 2 and I hear witcher 3 is even better.

Your opinion has always leaned towards bias.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which arguments ?

So you have no rationale and ignore Obi force pushing Pre Viszla and guess what. He didn't defeat him. Evidence. 😂

Projecting.

So we go based off evidence and I just cited an example of a force user applying the power offensively to a top tier bounty hunter. It didn't beat him.

Boom. Evidence>>>you.

Everything you have ever said.

Wait, obi wan did win. Didn't vizla just retreat and tell his men to finish him. Boom evidence.

I know you are. You are no longer a worthy adversary. Get out of my sight.

Well let's analyze that force push shall we. Obi wan has no feats to suggest his force pushes are powerful enough to kill. Sidious on the other hand has showed plenty of times he can kill with the force. Khan is no exception and will be killed in, I'll be generous and say he will last for about 7 seconds at most. However of he employs lightning as well make that about 4 seconds.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Everything you have ever said.

Wait, obi wan did win. Didn't vizla just retreat and tell his men to finish him. Boom evidence.

I know you are. You are no longer a worthy adversary. Get out of my sight.

Well let's analyze that force push shall we. Obi wan has no feats to suggest his force pushes are powerful enough to kill. Sidious on the other hand has showed plenty of times he can kill with the force. Khan is no exception and will be killed in, I'll be generous and say he will last for about 7 seconds at most. However of he employs lightning as well make that about 4 seconds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vtj5YxDcCk

1:17 after thr laughable force push pre rocks him physically. Take that force user.

Actually Obi fled the scene down the shaft. Lucky for him pre didn't have time to pursue him. Context. Boom. Don't lie again.

When has Sidious killed with the force push ?

Luke last over ten seconds. Khan is greater than Luke. Quit just making shit up. One blast kills Palpatine. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It affects the lightsaber he held which staved off the force lightning.

But not durability, which was your claim. Try again.

Palpatine hit the highly skilled Yoda with an attack which took two seconds after he gave him fair warning of his intentions. That is not impressive.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlqDMcS_RE

Look and know despair.

Khan was hit by an opponent that took over 5 seconds to beam down, and then did nothing when she raised her gun, and failed to dodge when it took another second to charge. That is pathetic reaction time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWUDKY7E8ok

Palpatine can hit him faster than that.

I have played other games in the series and was not that impressed. I was very impressed by witcher 2 and I hear witcher 3 is even better.

Your opinion has always leaned towards bias.

Oh? What games have you played? They're all pretty good.

Originally posted by The Scenario
But not durability, which was your claim. Try again.

Khan was hit by an opponent that took over 5 seconds to beam down, and then did nothing when she raised her gun, and failed to dodge when it took another second to charge. That is pathetic reaction time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWUDKY7E8ok

Palpatine can hit him faster than that.

Oh? What games have you played? They're all pretty good.

Khan was weapon less and was fighting another opponent. Yoda was not engaging anyone and he announced his attack. Yoda was also armed. Khan took 8 shots and was not ko'd. Yoda was ko'd.

Khan has his guns here so that's irrelevant.

The first one and super metroid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It didn't kill him the fall did. 🙄

Your point? He was helpless, and so is Khan, who can't block with a saber.

Khan was weapon less and was fighting another opponent. Yoda was not engaging anyone and he announced his attack. Yoda was also armed. Khan took 8 shots and was not ko'd. Yoda was ko'd.

Khan has his guns here so that's irrelevant.

Oh my gosh, Khan had to fight two opponents! Yeah, still not an impressive showing. Yoda was not KO'd, though. Did you watch the film?

So your claim is that Khan's guns make him faster?

The first one and super metroid.

Cool. Did you ever get far in Super? It's one of the best in the series.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Your point? He was helpless, and so is Khan, who can't block with a saber.

Oh my gosh, Khan had to fight two opponents! Yeah, still not an impressive showing. Yoda was not KO'd, though. Did you watch the film?

So your claim is that Khan's guns make him faster?

Cool. Did you ever get far in Super? It's one of the best in the series.

Yes, Yoda was. He came to. Khan was weapon less and was about to kill Spock. In this thread Khan has his guns. Remember relevancy.

I claim khan's reflexes with his guns are faster than palpatines. I can't remember how far. They were mildly fun but I outgrew the franchise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu was weapon less and in pain due to having a limb severed. Khan isn't weapon less and doesn't have his limb severed. You make a lot of irrelevant points. 💃

Do Khan's guns somehow make him able to deflect lightning? If not, he's just as helpless as Windu was.

Yes, Yoda was. He came to. Khan was weapon less and was about to kill Spock. In this thread Khan has his guns. Remember relevancy.

I claim khan's reflexes with his guns are faster than palpatines. I can't remember how far. They were mildly fun but I outgrew the franchise. [/B]

You make a bi deal about Khan being weaponless. Do guns affect his skill in any way? As far as I can see, that's irrelevant to what I'm talking about, which was his horrible reflexes in that scene.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you can't name anything specifically which is a concession on the claim.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vtj5YxDcCk

1:17 after thr laughable force push pre rocks him physically. Take that force user.

Actually Obi fled the scene down the shaft. Lucky for him pre didn't have time to pursue him. Context. Boom. Don't lie again.

When has Sidious killed with the force push ?

Luke last over ten seconds. Khan is greater than Luke. Quit just making shit up. One blast kills Palpatine. 😂

Oh how simple minded you are it's a shame.

Now if obi wan can do that to pre vizla, what do you think I can do against Khan? I'll give you a hint, so much more. Hold on you just killed yourself. The duel between pre vizla and obi wan, obi wan clearly won that fight. Vizla retreated because he couldn't defeat obi so he called his guards to attempt to kill obi wan. Kenobi then dodged the three detectors and when they circled around he grabbed satine to save her. So the force user is clearly the winner using only one aggressive force attack.

I didn't say force push I said the force. He incapacitate Khan with lightning easily.

I doubt khan will last that long. Also Luke came out with some injuries after that. Also Sidious wasn't going all out the entire time. He did last but he was dieng. Khan won't last. Goodbye khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let's time out how quickly he blitzed the Jedi. He didn't blitz anyone. He was quicker and eliminated the weaker Jedi before falling to Windu. Which attack do you feel occurred at superhuman speeds ?

Speculation.

Precog and superhuman reflexes.

36-38 seconds it takes for Palaptine to blast Yoda in which he was completely unprepared Yoda who is far more exceptional than the Jedi Palpatine defeated.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUlqDMcS_RE

Palaptine [B]announced the attack even prior to and despite two seconds Yoda still got rocked by it.

That's evidence shredding your fanboyism. How does it feel ? 😂

1. Point is the Jedi were eradicated and I can post video proof of Jedi looking surprised despite the Precog bs.

2. And we have seen his power unleashed on Jedi. Luke walked away from his lightning just fine.

3. Windu defeated him. They fought. Palpatine lost, kiddo. Facts.

Windu and his crew were about to be overwhelmed before Yoda showed up. Watch the movie.

😂 [/B]

He moved faster than they could react. That's called a blitz, retard. And since Jedi are fast enough to deflect blasters and have confirmed superhuman reflexes, well, I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

Yeah, the fact that they were having a conversation has nothing to do with that, right? Or that Yoda's arrogance was being highlighted in that scene?

It feels like you were too stupid to comprehend a basic scene in a children's movie.

1. Yeah, they were surprised by their own troops turning on them. Wow.

2. You mean the lightning that had him unable to move? The one that caused him to scream and beg? And that was just Sidious torturing him.

3. Once again you fail. The movie makes it ridiculously clear that Palpatine was faking weakness to lure Anakin to the dark side.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Do Khan's guns somehow make him able to deflect lightning? If not, he's just as helpless as Windu was.

You make a bi deal about Khan being weaponless. Do guns affect his skill in any way? As far as I can see, that's irrelevant to what I'm talking about, which was his horrible reflexes in that scene.

He isn't fighting Palpatine hand to hand here. So yes they affect his abilities in what he is going to do. Without palpatines saber he can't parry sabers so without their weapons changes the fight.

He was fighting another opponent in hand to hand, jus crash landed, just srointed throughout the city, and tanked two Spock nerve pinches, and still wasn't put down after 8 blasts.

That's called durability, sport. It's all irrelevant since khan has two guns.

I'll say something you'll understand. Does link have the same abilities without his master sword ?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh how simple minded you are it's a shame.

Now if obi wan can do that to pre vizla, what do you think I can do against Khan? I'll give you a hint, so much more. Hold on you just killed yourself. The duel between pre vizla and obi wan, obi wan clearly won that fight. Vizla retreated because he couldn't defeat obi so he called his guards to attempt to kill obi wan. Kenobi then dodged the three detectors and when they circled around he grabbed satine to save her. So the force user is clearly the winner using only one aggressive force attack.

I didn't say force push I said the force. He incapacitate Khan with lightning easily.

I doubt khan will last that long. Also Luke came out with some injuries after that. Also Sidious wasn't going all out the entire time. He did last but he was dieng. Khan won't last. Goodbye khan.

Obi didn't defeat pre and fled. That's a loss according to you. Pre rocked him pus ideally as well. False. We clearly see Obi flee. He left the battle scene and fled. Pre didn't have time to uprise the coward who left. His guards helped just like Yoda helped Obi against the clones in rots.

No, the force user didn't even seriously injure him with the force push. It just pushed him back. 😂

Based on what ?

Khan kills him with one blast. Luke walked away with no visible injuries. Prove he had injuries. You just made the claim, kiddo.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He moved faster than they could react. That's called a blitz, retard. And since Jedi are fast enough to deflect blasters and have confirmed superhuman reflexes, well, I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

Yeah, the fact that they were having a conversation has nothing to do with that, right? Or that Yoda's arrogance was being highlighted in that scene?

It feels like you were too stupid to comprehend a basic scene in a children's movie.

1. Yeah, they were surprised by their own troops turning on them. Wow.

2. You mean the lightning that had him unable to move? The one that caused him to scream and beg? And that was just Sidious torturing him.

3. Once again you fail. The movie makes it ridiculously clear that Palpatine was faking weakness to lure Anakin to the dark side.

You said Precog and I just cited an example. It's undeniable Palpatine made himself clear with an attack that took two seconds. Yoda was unable to defend himself. I don't care how much you hate the evidence. It counts and decimates your Precog. Precog is just a baseless claim unless you can actually prove it.

1. So Precog failed them all. They can all be taken by suprise. Good.

2. Luke had no weapon. Of course he was defenseless against it. When Windu had the saber he deflected that shit right back at Palpatine. Weapons matter, sport.

3. After he was defeated he feigned weakness because he knew he couldn't defeat Windu on his own. He was disarmed and scarred due to Windu just beating him. You making up shit due to your inability to debate or accept facts is another sign of your fanboyism.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, a blitz is where they couldn't perceive his attacks and he was on another level. His skill level was better than the weaker Jedi yet he lost to Windu. Now which strike do you want to time out ? Blasts are coming from a greater distance than Palpatine in relation to the Jedi. Distance matters, sport. That's called common sense. Now answer the question.

You said Precog and I just cited an example. It's undeniable Palpatine made himself clear with an attack that took two seconds. Yoda was unable to defend himself. I don't care how much you hate the evidence. It counts and decimates your Precog. Precog is just a baseless claim unless you can actually prove it.

1. So Precog failed them all. They can all be taken by suprise. Good.

2. Luke had no weapon. Of course he was defenseless against it. When Windu had the saber he deflected that shit right back at Palpatine. Weapons matter, sport.

3. After he was defeated he feigned weakness because he knew he couldn't defeat Windu on his own. He was disarmed and scarred due to Windu just beating him. You making up shit due to your inability to debate or accept facts is another sign of your fanboyism.

And they obviously couldn't seeing as how two of them couldn't even react and the third guy lasted another second or two. You can't time his attacks, or anyone else's. Nick Gillard has said that the fights are slowed down to the perception of normal people. So that doesn't work.

See, this is why you're an idiot. Sidious himself points out Yoda's arrogance right before the attack. Yoda just didn't think Sidious was that powerful, he later blocks a lightning barrage from Sidious from a much closer distance when he's taking the fight seriously. Oh, and that single jolt of Palpatine's lightning KOed Yoda, just like it will Khan.

1. All the betrayals happen in the middle of battlefields, during ongoing fights, their Force powers were exhausted by all the fighting, and they were focusing on the enemy.

2.Well, good thing for Sidious that Khan has no weapon to defend himself with either.

3.No, he knew that Anakin was coming. If Anakin saw Sidious cutting down Windu he would have joined the Jedi immediately, but since Sidious painted himself as the victim Anakin felt sympathy for him. Great example of Palpatine's intelligence.

Originally posted by Psychotron
And they obviously couldn't seeing as how two of them couldn't even react and the third guy lasted another second or two. You can't time his attacks, or anyone else's. Nick Gillard has said that the fights are slowed down to the perception of normal people. So that doesn't work.

See, this is why you're an idiot. Sidious himself points out Yoda's arrogance right before the attack. Yoda just didn't think Sidious was that powerful, he later blocks a lightning barrage from Sidious from a much closer distance when he's taking the fight seriously. Oh, and that single jolt of Palpatine's lightning KOed Yoda, just like it will Khan.

1. All the betrayals happen in the middle of battlefields, during ongoing fights, their Force powers were exhausted by all the fighting, and they were focusing on the enemy.

2.Well, good thing for Sidious that Khan has no weapon to defend himself with either.

3.No, he knew that Anakin was coming. If Anakin saw Sidious cutting down Windu he would have joined the Jedi immediately, but since Sidious painted himself as the victim Anakin felt sympathy for him. Great example of Palpatine's intelligence.

We don't see the fits slowed down or an attempt to do so in the film. We see non force users kill force users throughout the films. So even your baseless claims have no teeth. Film evidence and logic directly contradict your baseless claims.

So IYO Yoda not only was unable to react he's also too arrogant to take the dark lord of the with seriously enough ? We saw Yoda fail to stop Dooku who is Palpatine's lesser. So Palpatine gloating isn't proof of anything. Yoda was stupid I agree but the attack still took 2 seconds. Yoda failed to react. Later when he used more lightning it disarmed Yoda. Palpatine failed to disarm Windu.
🙂

Khan has cellular regeneration. Palpatine's Lightning failed to ko Luke. Yoda is old. 🙂

1. So you just make another baseless claim. You say their force powers were exhausted ? It is sad what excuses you fanboys come up with without any proof.

2. Khan doesn't need to defend since Yoda will die. A two second attack took him down; briefly.

3. Baseless claim. Palpatine was vulnerable. He needed to feign weakness to both help him out of the situation and survive against Windu. Windu disarmed him. Palpatine reacted after he saw anakin show up. Nothing was alluded to in the fight or to support Palpatine having a premonition about his battle with Windu or throwing the fight. That's fanboyism.