Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
What evidence do you feel exists saying he could not perceive them ? Nothing in the films portrays them as hazy clouds. You're lying. We see Anakin react and start the process of Windu's demise. Further proof is Jango not only seeing but firing over five blasts before Windu srointed over in his direction. Everyone can perceive Windu. Quit lying.

Give Khan allies and he would have prevailed. Give him his fellow augments and arm them. They'd rape that particular droid army we see.

They are skilled in swords. They can parry some of the blasts but acting they can parry multiple blasts from direction directions depends on the situation. We see order 66 proved they failed in massive numbers. I've seen Jango Fett do thing superhuman as well. ****, so does Spock, etc. these guys are all superhuman in feats. Trying to act like the Jedi are in another league is being disingenuous.

Khan's whole portrayal smacks the viewer in the face with how superhuman he is. Uhura said her, Kirk, and superhuman Spock had no chance against the Klingons but we see khan easily rape them and subdue those three as well.

Khan isn't a regular human, dude.

So you don't know the difference between being fully immersed in a fight and enhancing their speed for said fight... and the fight being over and them standing still not using their speed? This is common sense Quan, and while you know you lack it, you can't be this bad. Mace at that point was standing there and attacking somebody else. He wasn't immersed in Vaapad anymore nor enhancing his speed. He was literally standing there with a sword to Palps throat. No Anakin couldn't even perceive them when they were fighting. Deal with it.

This is the scene in question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ

Now notice a few things... First when Mace confronts Dooku and Jango tries to help Dooku and fires the flamethrower. First notice how Mace is blocking multiple laser fire from Droids attacking him.. WHLE dodging the flamethrower.. he THEN continues BLCOKING laser fire while falling in mid air.. for what.. like 5 stories and land perfectly. That is something Khan could never in his wildest dreams replicate. This shows the speed and reactions of the Jedi or sith. We then see numerous Jedi blocking multiple blaster fire from multiple droids while being as dooku noted "Impossibly outnumbered" Even Dooku knew they would eventually be overwhelmed just based on pure numbers. So would Khan, in face could would get Curbstomped in that same position.

Notice how I totally crushed your human perception argument. You claimed Mace was perceiving things at human level perception. Which I proved absolutely false. Mace was blocking blaster fire (we all know how fast that is) even while falling. That is so far beyond human perception to do it's not even funny. So do you concede he wasn't viewing things at human level perception?

You didn't answer the question you dodged it... Would Khan have survived in the situation or would he have also been overwhelmed?

Never once did I deny Khan was above peak human.. He is.. He's clearly above any human. The point though is that he isn't as fast speed wise.. reaction wise nor does he have the abilities the Jedi and Sith do. He's at a HUGE disadvantage thanks to those factors. There is simply no way around that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are attempting to imitate me. That's cute.

Obi didn't defeat pre and fled. That's a loss according to you. Pre rocked him pus ideally as well. False. We clearly see Obi flee. He left the battle scene and fled. Pre didn't have time to uprise the coward who left. His guards helped just like Yoda helped Obi against the clones in rots.

No, the force user didn't even seriously injure him with the force push. It just pushed him back. 😂

Based on what ?

Khan kills him with one blast. Luke walked away with no visible injuries. Prove he had injuries. You just made the claim, kiddo.

Who fled first. Who told his men to handle the Jedi.

Sidious is a whole different ball game. He can deal way more punishment then obi wan could ever hope.

How he has incapacitated every other person he has ever used with lightning that he wanted to. He was toying with Luke and wanted to keep maul alive, and was torturing windu and then threw him out the windu. He's incapacitated anikan and yoda, made maul almost pass out when he wasn't even trying.

Look at his bio. It says he was recovering from his injuries with palpatine under post endor. Also why wouldn't he be injured. He was subjected to fatal torrents of lightning, why wouldn't he be hurt. Whether Khna can withstand it or not he won't be able to withstand it for long or would die do to being choked and shocked at the same time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They weren't skilled enough to react. What proof do you have they couldn't see Palpatine ? You're just making things up again. Your biased opinion isn't evidence.

We don't see the fits slowed down or an attempt to do so in the film. We see non force users kill force users throughout the films. So even your baseless claims have no teeth. Film evidence and logic directly contradict your baseless claims.

So IYO Yoda not only was unable to react he's also too arrogant to take the dark lord of the with seriously enough ? We saw Yoda fail to stop Dooku who is Palpatine's lesser. So Palpatine gloating isn't proof of anything. Yoda was stupid I agree but the attack still took 2 seconds. Yoda failed to react. Later when he used more lightning it disarmed Yoda. Palpatine failed to disarm Windu.
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Khan has cellular regeneration. Palpatine's Lightning failed to ko Luke. Yoda is old. 🙂

1. So you just make another baseless claim. You say their force powers were exhausted ? It is sad what excuses you fanboys come up with without any proof.

2. Khan doesn't need to defend since Yoda will die. A two second attack took him down; briefly.

3. Baseless claim. Palpatine was vulnerable. He needed to feign weakness to both help him out of the situation and survive against Windu. Windu disarmed him. Palpatine reacted after he saw anakin show up. Nothing was alluded to in the fight or to support Palpatine having a premonition about his battle with Windu or throwing the fight. That's fanboyism.

Please. One guy can't even get his saber up in time. You have to be a complete imbecile to not see just how badly they got blitzed.

How are you supposed to tell? You really think these guys, who are fast enough to block laser weapons, and have been stated to have enhanced reflexes, are fighting at normal speeds? Do you also think Neo fought Smith at normal speed, too?

😬 Yeah. That's the whole point of the PT, that the Jedi had become to arrogant and complacent. I'm not surprised you missed it, even though it was explicitly stated by Mace Windu at one point, but what else could I expect from a Harry Potter fan?

Yeah, because he wasn't trying to kill him and he was still helpless. Dooku's much weaker lightning one-shot KOed Anakin. Also, Yoda tanked a drop from 100s of feet. Little nigga is durable. Sidious' lightning >> Khan.

1. It's even sadder when you can't come up with a rebuttal and have to resort to dodging.

2. Yoda isn't in the fight. You're so butthurt that Khan gets assf*cked by Sidious you can't even think straight anymore.

3. If Palpatine was vulnerable he wouldn't have needed to feign weakness in the first place. 😆 😆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you don't know the difference between being fully immersed in a fight and enhancing their speed for said fight... and the fight being over and them standing still not using their speed? This is common sense Quan, and while you know you lack it, you can't be this bad. Mace at that point was standing there and attacking somebody else. He wasn't immersed in Vaapad anymore nor enhancing his speed. He was literally standing there with a sword to Palps throat. No Anakin couldn't even perceive them when they were fighting. Deal with it.

This is the scene in question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ

Now notice a few things... First when Mace confronts Dooku and Jango tries to help Dooku and fires the flamethrower. First notice how Mace is blocking multiple laser fire from Droids attacking him.. WHLE dodging the flamethrower.. he THEN continues BLCOKING laser fire while falling in mid air.. for what.. like 5 stories and land perfectly. That is something Khan could never in his wildest dreams replicate. This shows the speed and reactions of the Jedi or sith. We then see numerous Jedi blocking multiple blaster fire from multiple droids while being as dooku noted "Impossibly outnumbered" Even Dooku knew they would eventually be overwhelmed just based on pure numbers. So would Khan, in face could would get Curbstomped in that same position.

Notice how I totally crushed your human perception argument. You claimed Mace was perceiving things at human level perception. Which I proved absolutely false. Mace was blocking blaster fire (we all know how fast that is) even while falling. That is so far beyond human perception to do it's not even funny. So do you concede he wasn't viewing things at human level perception?

You didn't answer the question you dodged it... Would Khan have survived in the situation or would he have also been overwhelmed?

Never once did I deny Khan was above peak human.. He is.. He's clearly above any human. The point though is that he isn't as fast speed wise.. reaction wise nor does he have the abilities the Jedi and Sith do. He's at a HUGE disadvantage thanks to those factors. There is simply no way around that.

Ok I will prove Mace can be perceived and actually attacked while in fighting mode since I'm a generous Quan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rxsiOlUa0

We clearly see Jangk Fire multiple blasts while mace is using his saber skills to kill Jango. He is running as fast as he can to close the gap due to Jango's malfunctioned jet pack.

Ok, so him jumping back and blocking proves what ? If he could react far quicker than them he wouldn't need to jump away. He'd be able to dance around Jango. He can't. Made knew he had to create distance between the two.

Not with Khan and his fellow augments. Dookus comments only pertained to the Jedi not the augments. 🙂

Khan himself singlehandedly according to Kirk took out a more coordinated crew in the Klingons himself.

Maul is superhuman just like Jango, Spock, etc. I have proven two second reaction time is below human level.

With his fellow augments aka fellow warriors of his skill with weapons he had they would have survived. The Jedi had their weapons and still were about to lose.

His guns and accuracy along with the firepower more than negates the sword reflexes. It's funny how speed only matters here but not against my Thanos. I argue the same you are a hypocrite who uses double standards.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Who fled first. Who told his men to handle the Jedi.

Sidious is a whole different ball game. He can deal way more punishment then obi wan could ever hope.

How he has incapacitated every other person he has ever used with lightning that he wanted to. He was toying with Luke and wanted to keep maul alive, and was torturing windu and then threw him out the windu. He's incapacitated anikan and yoda, made maul almost pass out when he wasn't even trying.

Look at his bio. It says he was recovering from his injuries with palpatine under post endor. Also why wouldn't he be injured. He was subjected to fatal torrents of lightning, why wouldn't he be hurt. Whether Khna can withstand it or not he won't be able to withstand it for long or would die do to being choked and shocked at the same time.

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Based on ? By episode 6 sidious can barely even walk on his own.

He said he was going to kill Luke and he survived over ten seconds of it set to kill. 😂

Yoda's an old muppet who needs a cane for gait. Who incapacitated Anakin ? It sure as hell was not Palpatine.

Bio in what film ? We see react fine directly after on film. Movie feats only. 😂

Who has Palpatine choked and shocked at the same time ? Back your claim.

Khan needs one blast to kill Palpatine. Khan wins.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Please. One guy can't even get his saber up in time. You have to be a complete imbecile to not see just how badly they got blitzed.

How are you supposed to tell? You really think these guys, who are fast enough to block laser weapons, and have been stated to have enhanced reflexes, are fighting at normal speeds? Do you also think Neo fought Smith at normal speed, too?

😬 Yeah. That's the whole point of the PT, that the Jedi had become to arrogant and complacent. I'm not surprised you missed it, even though it was explicitly stated by Mace Windu at one point, but what else could I expect from a Harry Potter fan?

Yeah, because he wasn't trying to kill him and he was still helpless. Dooku's much weaker lightning one-shot KOed Anakin. Also, Yoda tanked a drop from 100s of feet. Little nigga is durable. Sidious' lightning >> Khan.

1. It's even sadder when you can't come up with a rebuttal and have to resort to dodging.

2. Yoda isn't in the fight. You're so butthurt that Khan gets assf*cked by Sidious you can't even think straight anymore.

3. If Palpatine was vulnerable he wouldn't have needed to feign weakness in the first place. 😆 😆

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rxsiOlUa0

We see their perceptions were so far behind bullets its unreal. We see them in action dodge them and we see how slowed down the remaining characters were. This isn't the case with Jedi and sith.

In the above clip watch Jango Fire over five blasts in the time it takes Windu to cut off Jango's head. That's called a fact. 😂

Palpatine states to luke, YOU WILL NOW DIE. In the end he walked away despite being force lightninged for over ten seconds. 🙂

Anakin was caught off guard because he was an idiot. He ran right into it. 🙂

1. You made a baseless claim. Onus is on you not for me to disprove your shit claim.

2. Khan beats them both. His guns and accuracy take either out with a blast. Palpatine stood by while Yoda force pushed him without doing anything. One blast and he dies.

3. He feigned weakness to get Anakin to help him. He was not powerless but was still unable to beat Windu. He needed anakins help. He even begged for it.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he was enhancing his speed.

Ok I will prove Mace can be perceived and actually attacked while in fighting mode since I'm a generous Quan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rxsiOlUa0

We clearly see Jangk Fire multiple blasts while mace is using his saber skills to kill Jango. He is running as fast as he can to close the gap due to Jango's malfunctioned jet pack.

Ok, so him jumping back and blocking proves what ? If he could react far quicker than them he wouldn't need to jump away. He'd be able to dance around Jango. He can't. Made knew he had to create distance between the two.

Not with Khan and his fellow augments. Dookus comments only pertained to the Jedi not the augments. 🙂

Khan himself singlehandedly according to Kirk took out a more coordinated crew in the Klingons himself.

Maul is superhuman just like Jango, Spock, etc. I have proven two second reaction time is below human level.

With his fellow augments aka fellow warriors of his skill with weapons he had they would have survived. The Jedi had their weapons and still were about to lose.

His guns and accuracy along with the firepower more than negates the sword reflexes. It's funny how speed only matters here but not against my Thanos. I argue the same you are a hypocrite who uses double standards.

I'm waiting foryour concession.. Was mace in the arena scene.. perceiving things at human level perception like you claim. We can do a battlezone on if he was using human level perception there. Literally everybody would laugh at you for claiming any human could perceive the blasts like mace did and be able to block them.. not just standing there but as he's jumping AND falling down. Before we continue... is that human level perception like you claimed?

As I said in another thread.

Seriously, you guys do realize that quan is just trolling and that no matter how reasonable or polite you are, he is never going to admit that he was wrong and that his favorite character would actually lose?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm waiting foryour concession.. Was mace in the arena scene.. perceiving things at human level perception like you claim. We can do a battlezone on if he was using human level perception there. Literally everybody would laugh at you for claiming any human could perceive the blasts like mace did and be able to block them.. not just standing there but as he's jumping AND falling down. Before we continue... is that human level perception like you claimed?

You claimed he's beyond a non force users ability to keep up with despite Jango firing multiple blasts before Windu running at human speed could kill him. That destroys your case.

Below human level Perception is yodas two second for lighting feat ko. That's awful. He's the most powerful Jedi too.

😆 😂 🤣

Quanchi Khan could defeat CBR Silver Surfer and CBR Gladiator at the same time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They were inferior opponents. Just like Jango takes down an inferior Jedi here with a few blasts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rxsiOlUa0

We see their perceptions were so far behind bullets its unreal. We see them in action dodge them and we see how slowed down the remaining characters were. This isn't the case with Jedi and sith.

In the above clip watch Jango Fire over five blasts in the time it takes Windu to cut off Jango's head. That's called a fact. 😂

Palpatine states to luke, YOU WILL NOW DIE. In the end he walked away despite being force lightninged for over ten seconds. 🙂

Anakin was caught off guard because he was an idiot. He ran right into it. 🙂

1. You made a baseless claim. Onus is on you not for me to disprove your shit claim.

2. Khan beats them both. His guns and accuracy take either out with a blast. Palpatine stood by while Yoda force pushed him without doing anything. One blast and he dies.

3. He feigned weakness to get Anakin to help him. He was not powerless but was still unable to beat Windu. He needed anakins help. He even begged for it.

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They were inferior opponents? No shit, Sherlock. One of the reasons they were inferior is because Sids is so much faster than them.

Nice clip of Jango being a retard and getting owned by Mace Windu. Don't know what you think it proves, though.

We see Jedi casually deflect laser fire. That's more than enough, but then you have characters explicitly explaining that Jedi have superior reflexes. And if that's not enough you have this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypoTgdCTPFM
It can't get more obvious than that.

The only thing that video proves is that Mace Windu was clearly in no rush to kill him. It's not like Jango was a threat to him. My video, on the other hand, proves the super speed of Jedi.

Yes, a slow, painful death. Totally in character for Sidious. Remember that his lightning killed Vader in the same scene.

Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that Dooku's lightning was strong enough to KO him, and Sidious >>> Dooku.

1. Sorry, buddy, but ignoring the mountains of context behind Order 66 isn't gonna work.

2.lel, Khan will be TKed into oblivion before he even has a chance to point his gun. The best part is there;s nothing

3. Because he wanted to turn him to the Dark side. How is this hard to comprehend? He's been grooming Anakin to be his apprentice for years.

Originally posted by Psychotron
They were inferior opponents? No shit, Sherlock. One of the reasons they were inferior is because Sids is so much faster than them.

Nice clip of Jango being a retard and getting owned by Mace Windu. Don't know what you think it proves, though.

We see Jedi casually deflect laser fire. That's more than enough, but then you have characters explicitly explaining that Jedi have superior reflexes. And if that's not enough you have this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypoTgdCTPFM
It can't get more obvious than that.

The only thing that video proves is that Mace Windu was clearly in no rush to kill him. It's not like Jango was a threat to him. My video, on the other hand, proves the super speed of Jedi.

Yes, a slow, painful death. Totally in character for Sidious. Remember that his lightning killed Vader in the same scene.

Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that Dooku's lightning was strong enough to KO him, and Sidious >>> Dooku.

1. Sorry, buddy, but ignoring the mountains of context behind Order 66 isn't gonna work.

2.lel, Khan will be TKed into oblivion before he even has a chance to point his gun. The best part is there;s nothing

3. Because he wanted to turn him to the Dark side. How is this hard to comprehend? He's been grooming Anakin to be his apprentice for years.

It shows that he can fire off multiple blasts before Windu kills him. Jango's jetpack was also damaged hence why he couldn't create space. Not a clean win since Windu was not the one who disabled it.

Finally some evidence but allow me to correct you. They can use the force powers to enhance their speed. But let me ask you this can Usain Bolt fight faster than Bruce Lee just because he'd decimate him in a race ? The Jedi used this to flee. They never used blazing speed while in combat. Context. Sprinting does not equal hand to hand reflexes.

No, that video clearly proves while in combat this is the top speed he can use. You don't have one single example of any Jedi using the speed from that scan doing anything other than sprinting away. 🙂

Jango was a threat to him hence why he initially jumped away. Jango's jetpack didn't work but he still fired multiple blasts before Windu closed the distance. He was easily perceived by Windu just unable to create space due to his disabled jetpack.

His lightning killed Vader due to short circuiting his suit which sustains his life. It didn't kill him via power. Luke walked away while sustaining over ten seconds of to kill lightning. He tortured him prior to and explained himself. It's all in the movie.

Due to his unpreparedness and catching him off guard. It's like a sucker punch.

1. They were caught off guard and in the scenes I saw on film not horribly outnumbered.

2. Based on what evidence ? We see the opposite in Jango versus Windu so again it's a baseless claim.

3. He needed him to aid him or else he would die. Two birds one stone. Windu bested him. Your own baseless claims aren't proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Khan having two weapons and the character you referenced was weapon less. It's easy to follow along. Khan shoots him before the force lightning hits him. That isn't helpless. Windu was helpless. Context.

As I have shown, Khan doesn't have the reflexes necessary to shoot before he's rendered helpless by lightning.

He isn't fighting Palpatine hand to hand here. So yes they affect his abilities in what he is going to do. Without palpatines saber he can't parry sabers so without their weapons changes the fight.

He was fighting another opponent in hand to hand, jus crash landed, just srointed throughout the city, and tanked two Spock nerve pinches, and still wasn't put down after 8 blasts.

That's called durability, sport. It's all irrelevant since khan has two guns.

I'm not asking about "what he is going to do." I'm asking if the guns increase Khan's speed somehow. Which you appear to be claiming.

Khan without guns = slow reflexes

Khan with guns = fast reflexes?

I'll say something you'll understand. Does link have the same abilities without his master sword ?

Yes! Do you really not understand what I'm saying here? The Master Sword's presence is irrelevant to Link's strength, speed, and other physical traits. This isn't a hard concept, quan.

Originally posted by The Scenario
As I have shown, Khan doesn't have the reflexes necessary to shoot before he's rendered helpless by lightning.

I'm not asking about "what he is going to do." I'm asking if the guns increase Khan's speed somehow. Which you appear to be claiming.

Khan without guns = slow reflexes

Khan with guns = fast reflexes?

Yes! Do you really not understand what I'm saying here? The Master Sword's presence is irrelevant to Link's strength, speed, and other physical traits. This isn't a hard concept, quan.

Khan has the same reflexes throughout but his guns shoot faster than a swordsman swings his swords. That's the point.

A ninja is faster than a cop but can't dodge bullets. 🙂

Are you grasping it now ? You seem to be struggling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what scene ? You made a baseless claim. Luke also resisted the lightning and Windu also redirected it. Hell, Yoda outright sent it back at him.

With sabers, which Khan doesn't have. Therefore Khan cannot do that same.

Khan has the same reflexes throughout but his guns shoot faster than a swordsman swings his swords. That's the point.

A ninja is faster than a cop but can't dodge bullets. 🙂

Are you grasping it now ? You seem to be struggling.

Finally you seem to be getting it. However, now that you've admitted that Khan is slow regardless of his guns, he's lost. Even basic Jedi have shown to be fast enough to deflect blasts, so no Khan is not shooting faster than anyone can swing a saber.

Originally posted by The Scenario
With sabers, which Khan doesn't have. Therefore Khan cannot do that same.

Finally you seem to be getting it. However, now that you've admitted that Khan is slow regardless of his guns, he's lost. Even basic Jedi have shown to be fast enough to deflect blasts, so no Khan is not shooting faster than anyone can swing a saber.

I am saying his weapon is needed against the light saber. In a hand to hand battle Khan would decimate the Jedi. Guns negate the sword. My points have not changed.

Jango has also killed Jedi with blasts. You seem to forget skill matters. The guy shooting the guns matters.

You want to discount skill and randomly pick and choose what counts and what doesn't. I have an example whereas you have abc logic which doesn't tally to Khan's skill, weapons, or his actual feats. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? Anakin was the guy who cut Windu's arm off.

In the scenes we saw there weren't tens of thousands so you're just making up scenes. We don't see that in the film. We see smaller numbers over take Jedi. Want to count them and see how prepared the Jedi were ? At no point do we see 200 clones against a single Jedi. You are lying and exaggerating the scenes we actually see. 😂

The amount of shots prove non force users can perceive and that the Jedi react at human speeds in that scene. If you can't grasp what you say is moronic and disproven by that scene then stretch your face even further in hopes you'll start learning things.

Who is Kham ?

Khan fires blasts far more powerful than what the jedis have been shown to deflect and dual guns. He puts down Windu's lesser in Palpatine quite easily.

No quan... you weren't referring to Yoda at all.. in fact you were talking about Mace perceiving things at human level speed. Even though you have conceded in your last post that they are actually well above human level perception. Glad you agree.

You put Khan in that same situation as mace... he would've been shot down. There is absolutely NO way Khan could deflect the blaster fire like Mace did. No way, no how.

Why do you keep bringing up Jango shooting a random Jedi knight? That jedi knight WASN'T even attacking jango directly... He was trying to get to dooku and about to strike dooku. Jango shot him from the side... what on earth do you think is so impressive about that?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan has a much faster weapon than a saber thus making my point even faster than his blasts would.

Khan's weapon is not faster than Palpatine, try again.

I am saying his weapon is needed against the light saber. In a hand to hand battle Khan would decimate the Jedi. Guns negate the sword. My points have not changed.

Incorrect. Sabers deflect blasts, and are not negated. You're reaching.

Jango has also killed Jedi with blasts. You seem to forget skill matters. The guy shooting the guns matters.

You want to discount skill and randomly pick and choose what counts and what doesn't. I have an example whereas you have abc logic which doesn't tally to Khan's skill, weapons, or his actual feats. 😂

Which Jedi? Jango was wrecked once he faced an actual Jedi in Windu.

I'm not discounting skill, quan, I'm saying it's irrelevant when a saber can deflect even the most well aimed shot. What is Khan's skill going to do? You're claiming it as if "skill" is some abstract thing that prevents his guns from being deflected. Why?

No Khan's guns don't shot faster. We see Jedi's react and swing there swords to deflect blaster fire AFTER it has already been fired. Clearly they can swing and react faster than a gun shots. They are reacting to things after it is already fired and still able to deflect it away or deflect it right back at their foe. The precision involved in seeing.. reacting... swinging your saber and not only deflecting it but aiming it right back at their foe is reaction speed well beyond anything Khan could do

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We just see he is better than they are. They are vastly outclassed skill wise while Windu showed his skill greater than Palpatine one on one.

It shows that he can fire off multiple blasts before Windu kills him. Jango's jetpack was also damaged hence why he couldn't create space. Not a clean win since Windu was not the one who disabled it.

Finally some evidence but allow me to correct you. They can use the force powers to enhance their speed. But let me ask you this can Usain Bolt fight faster than Bruce Lee just because he'd decimate him in a race ? The Jedi used this to flee. They never used blazing speed while in combat. Context. Sprinting does not equal hand to hand reflexes.

No, that video clearly proves while in combat this is the top speed he can use. You don't have one single example of any Jedi using the speed from that scan doing anything other than sprinting away. 🙂

Jango was a threat to him hence why he initially jumped away. Jango's jetpack didn't work but he still fired multiple blasts before Windu closed the distance. He was easily perceived by Windu just unable to create space due to his disabled jetpack.

His lightning killed Vader due to short circuiting his suit which sustains his life. It didn't kill him via power. Luke walked away while sustaining over ten seconds of to kill lightning. He tortured him prior to and explained himself. It's all in the movie.

Due to his unpreparedness and catching him off guard. It's like a sucker punch.

1. They were caught off guard and in the scenes I saw on film not horribly outnumbered.

2. Based on what evidence ? We see the opposite in Jango versus Windu so again it's a baseless claim.

3. He needed him to aid him or else he would die. Two birds one stone. Windu bested him. Your own baseless claims aren't proof.

Except that at least one of the couldn't even move his saber in time. That's blatantly superior speed. And it's not like it was a surprise, he drew his saber and gave them plenty of time to prepare, yet, the still couldn't react in time, despite having precog and enhanced reflexes. Sids blitzes Khan easily.

You know why his jet pack was damaged? Because he was a moron, and tried jumping for Windu's saber. It's his own fault.

You did not just use that shitty Batman quote on me. There's absolutely no reason to assume it only enhances their travel speed, not when they have shown enhanced reflexes in multiple scenes, and have been openly said to posses superhuman speed.

No, it doesn't. Why would Mace need to go all out against Jango? He possed absolutely no threat to him. Furthermore, Mace is not Sidious and he doesn't have Palpatine's speed feats.

Windu jumped from the flamethrower (which he couldn't have known Jango was armed with), but at no point during the fight did it look like Jango could even hurt Mace. There's no reason for him to go all out against a common human.

If Sidious wanted to kill Luke right away he could have just snapped his neck or impaled him with his lightsaber, but instead he chose to torture him with small jolts of lightning. This is pretty clear. Especially since Sidious' lightning has KOed Yoda, a character with good durability. And it doesn't matter since Palpatine's lightning will disable Khan one way or another, that is if Sidious doesn't just ragdoll him.

And? You can't prepare for getting electrocuted.

1. Yes because they trusted the clones, and they were massively outnumbered. There were only a few thousand Jedi, while there were millions of clones. That's not factoring the exhausting that comes from being in the middle of a battle. At the end of the day, these characters are not Sidious, and are not connected to this fight.

2. Windu didn't even use enhanced speed or TK against Jango. And Sidious' speed feats > Mace.

3. Except the fact that Sidious literally screams "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER" right after being supposedly exhausted.