Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by Psychotron
Except that at least one of the couldn't even move his saber in time. That's blatantly superior speed. And it's not like it was a surprise, he drew his saber and gave them plenty of time to prepare, yet, the still couldn't react in time, despite having precog and enhanced reflexes. Sids blitzes Khan easily.

You know why his jet pack was damaged? Because he was a moron, and tried jumping for Windu's saber. It's his own fault.

You did not just use that shitty Batman quote on me. There's absolutely no reason to assume it only enhances their travel speed, not when they have shown enhanced reflexes in multiple scenes, and have been openly said to posses superhuman speed.

No, it doesn't. Why would Mace need to go all out against Jango? He possed absolutely no threat to him. Furthermore, Mace is not Sidious and he doesn't have Palpatine's speed feats.

Windu jumped from the flamethrower (which he couldn't have known Jango was armed with), but at no point during the fight did it look like Jango could even hurt Mace. There's no reason for him to go all out against a common human.

If Sidious wanted to kill Luke right away he could have just snapped his neck or impaled him with his lightsaber, but instead he chose to torture him with small jolts of lightning. This is pretty clear. Especially since Sidious' lightning has KOed Yoda, a character with good durability. And it doesn't matter since Palpatine's lightning will disable Khan one way or another, that is if Sidious doesn't just ragdoll him.

And? You can't prepare for getting electrocuted.

1. Yes because they trusted the clones, and they were massively outnumbered. There were only a few thousand Jedi, while there were millions of clones. That's not factoring the exhausting that comes from being in the middle of a battle. At the end of the day, these characters are not Sidious, and are not connected to this fight.

2. Windu didn't even use enhanced speed or TK against Jango. And Sidious' speed feats > Mace.

3. Except the fact that Sidious literally screams "POWER! UNLIMITED POWER" right after being supposedly exhausted.

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It was a good move he just wasn't quick enough. His jetpack is what cost him. Going for a jedis light saber is a smart move. Windu was one of the best if not the best. His jetpack was damaged by the beast not that move.

What person on planet earth can fight at maximum sprinting ?? It doesn't make any sense and they can use this ability to run. They have never ever ever ever fought anywhere near close to this manner. You're like a Superman fanboy who takes his best feats out of context and applies them to all his fights while ignoring 99 percent of everything else. Fanboyism.

So despite them fighting for their lives and their friends lives made holds back ? He killed him and it makes absolutely no sense to hold back. He killed the guy. You just make things up because you can't accept the facts. It's delicious.

Mace beat him. To me that's better than sidious killing their inferiors. Windu bested him right after. 🙂

Sidious doesn't snap necks. Quit just making shit up. He said he was going to die. His force lightning had no lasting damage and Luke walked away like it was nothing. Shame.

Yoda is a really old Jedi who eventually died of old age. He couldn't even walk unaided by a cane minus the force. Luke was young and warded it off easily. Yoda also was caught off guard despite Palpatine announcing the attack. Yoda palmed and redirected the lghtning the next time. Palpatine looked like he shit his old pants in the battle of the geriatrics.

Khan shoots him. Faster.

1. Speculation. In every scene we saw they weren't even more than fifty clones yet they decimated the Jedi. Go by the actual evidence not your speculation.

2. Based off what enhanced speed scenes ? Try making sense. All I hear is excuses and coulda woulda shouldas.

3. He doesn't have unlimited power. 😂

He was boasting after Anakin left him vulnerable. I already explained this. At no point in the films does anything allude to him throwing the fight. He capitalized on the situation he was in. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No quan... you weren't referring to Yoda at all.. in fact you were talking about Mace perceiving things at human level speed. Even though you have conceded in your last post that they are actually well above human level perception. Glad you agree.

You put Khan in that same situation as mace... he would've been shot down. There is absolutely NO way Khan could deflect the blaster fire like Mace did. No way, no how.

Why do you keep bringing up Jango shooting a random Jedi knight? That jedi knight WASN'T even attacking jango directly... He was trying to get to dooku and about to strike dooku. Jango shot him from the side... what on earth do you think is so impressive about that?

Give Khan training and a laser sword and I definitely think he could. These guys have trained for years. You have to give Khan the same training. 🙂

Due to you claiming the jedis perception to be greater.

He blocked a blast so he was engaging Jango. His first blast didn't hit him, troll. Watch the scene again. Jango killed him and then showed off.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi fled. Down the shaft.

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Based on ? By episode 6 sidious can barely even walk on his own.

He said he was going to kill Luke and he survived over ten seconds of it set to kill. 😂

Yoda's an old muppet who needs a cane for gait. Who incapacitated Anakin ? It sure as hell was not Palpatine.

Bio in what film ? We see react fine directly after on film. Movie feats only. 😂

Who has Palpatine choked and shocked at the same time ? Back your claim.

Khan needs one blast to kill Palpatine. Khan wins.

No no. I asked who fled first. Who asked their men to handle the Jedi?

Based on ROTS. Also by episode 6 Sidious is as old as dooku was in episode 3. Age means nothing to a force weilder as seen how incredibly older people yoda, Dooku, Sidious can move faster than people younger and thought to be in better shape, anakin, maul savage, windu.

He was holding back, he was toying for the first go rounds. He did ramp up the power, when he said now Skywlaker you will die that's when he was going either at full power or was getting there. Luke walked away with some injuries as I have proven to you.

An old muppet you say. https://youtu.be/IRd9PGmAQUE. Hardly seems like an old muppet. https://youtu.be/NBpB-rWPvE8 this video shows 1) yoda is actually not an old muppet who you say he is 2) Sidious choking someone and shocking them with little effort 3) Sidious reflexes( not even fully met yet) 4) anakin being incapacitated by none other than Darth Sidious.

Look up Luke Skywalker and look under the Post-Endor portion. It says he is recovering from being shocked. Also if you are shocked for that long by the most powerful SITH lord of all time, you will be injured in one way or another. Common sense Quan use it.

Look above.

😂 You have been served. Your weapons are no match for the power of the dark side.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No no. I asked who fled first. Who asked their men to handle the Jedi?

Based on ROTS. Also by episode 6 Sidious is as old as dooku was in episode 3. Age means nothing to a force weilder as seen how incredibly older people yoda, Dooku, Sidious can move faster than people younger and thought to be in better shape, anakin, maul savage, windu.

He was holding back, he was toying for the first go rounds. He did ramp up the power, when he said now Skywlaker you will die that's when he was going either at full power or was getting there. Luke walked away with some injuries as I have proven to you.

An old muppet you say. https://youtu.be/IRd9PGmAQUE. Hardly seems like an old muppet. https://youtu.be/NBpB-rWPvE8 this video shows 1) yoda is actually not an old muppet who you say he is 2) Sidious choking someone and shocking them with little effort 3) Sidious reflexes( not even fully met yet) 4) anakin being incapacitated by none other than Darth Sidious.

Look up Luke Skywalker and look under the Post-Endor portion. It says he is recovering from being shocked. Also if you are shocked for that long by the most powerful SITH lord of all time, you will be injured in one way or another. Common sense Quan use it.

Look above.

😂 You have been served. Your weapons are no match for the power of the dark side.

Age does factor in. Their bodies are in worse shape. That doesn't prevent them from using the force abilities but in normal gait they look like they should be in a nursing home.

Palpatine was going to replace the older Vader with sky walker because age does matter.

So after he did say he will kill him Luke walked away immediately. You dint prove injuries with film evidence you made shit up. 😂

You posted a video that was a vision in which Palpatine failed to break Yoda. None of that was real. 😂

Might as well start posting dream sequences as proof.

Post the movie proof. In the film we see him walk away rather casually.

You posted a vision that did not occur and made up Luke being injured.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, due to be inferior to Palpatine. Those guys didn't operate in the skill level of Windu. Windu disarmed him by himself and blocked every Palpatine attack meant to kill him. Based on what ? Khan uses two guns. He won't walk up extend his light saber and stand there like the Jedi did.

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It was a good move he just wasn't quick enough. His jetpack is what cost him. Going for a jedis light saber is a smart move. Windu was one of the best if not the best. His jetpack was damaged by the beast not that move.

What person on planet earth can fight at maximum sprinting ?? It doesn't make any sense and they can use this ability to run. They have never ever ever ever fought anywhere near close to this manner. You're like a Superman fanboy who takes his best feats out of context and applies them to all his fights while ignoring 99 percent of everything else. Fanboyism.

So despite them fighting for their lives and their friends lives made holds back ? He killed him and it makes absolutely no sense to hold back. He killed the guy. You just make things up because you can't accept the facts. It's delicious.

Mace beat him. To me that's better than sidious killing their inferiors. Windu bested him right after. 🙂

Sidious doesn't snap necks. Quit just making shit up. He said he was going to die. His force lightning had no lasting damage and Luke walked away like it was nothing. Shame.

Yoda is a really old Jedi who eventually died of old age. He couldn't even walk unaided by a cane minus the force. Luke was young and warded it off easily. Yoda also was caught off guard despite Palpatine announcing the attack. Yoda palmed and redirected the lghtning the next time. Palpatine looked like he shit his old pants in the battle of the geriatrics.

Khan shoots him. Faster.

1. Speculation. In every scene we saw they weren't even more than fifty clones yet they decimated the Jedi. Go by the actual evidence not your speculation.

2. Based off what enhanced speed scenes ? Try making sense. All I hear is excuses and coulda woulda shouldas.

3. He doesn't have unlimited power. 😂

He was boasting after Anakin left him vulnerable. I already explained this. At no point in the films does anything allude to him throwing the fight. He capitalized on the situation he was in. 🙂

Yes, just like Khan is inferior to Sidious. It's not like Sidious even needs to get near him, just a simple tk attack is all it will take.

No, it wasn't. Trying to reach something before someone with tk does is retarded. He should have tried to kill Mace while he was unarmed. Jango f*cked up big time.

So, Jedi are said to be superhumanly fast. They have on-screen feats of enhanced reflexes, and have demonstrated an ability to amp their speed. On top of that the guy who did the sword fights for the movies said they're slowed down for the audience, but Jedi still fight at normal speeds? That's some serious reaching, Quan.

Wrong. Jango was fighting for his life, for Mace this was just another punk with a blaster. And it shows in how casually he wrecks him.

Mace didn't beat him, though.

He didn't say he was going to die right away, Quanny. Like I said, he could have killed him with his lightsaber, but he didn't, and either way Khan would be disabled by the lightning.

Too bad Yoda has a fantastic durability feat that puts him far over normal humans. Sidious still KOed him.

Speed of thought >>>>> speed of a gun

Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes, just like Khan is inferior to Sidious. It's not like Sidious even needs to get near him, just a simple tk attack is all it will take.

No, it wasn't. Trying to reach something before someone with tk does is retarded. He should have tried to kill Mace while he was unarmed. Jango f*cked up big time.

So, Jedi are said to be superhumanly fast. They have on-screen feats of enhanced reflexes, and have demonstrated an ability to amp their speed. On top of that the guy who did the sword fights for the movies said they're slowed down for the audience, but Jedi still fight at normal speeds? That's some serious reaching, Quan.

Wrong. Jango was fighting for his life, for Mace this was just another punk with a blaster. And it shows in how casually he wrecks him.

Mace didn't beat him, though.

He didn't say he was going to die right away, Quanny. Like I said, he could have killed him with his lightsaber, but he didn't, and either way Khan would be disabled by the lightning.

Too bad Yoda has a fantastic durability feat that puts him far over normal humans. Sidious still KOed him.

Speed of thought >>>>> speed of a gun

No, since the same tactic was successful against Jango. Jango was done when his jet pack was damaged. He was a potent threat to mace with his equipment working. Mace with a saber bs Jango without his jetpack isn't fair.

They can amp their running speed not their fighting speed. Their reflexes are fast but they can still be beaten up by bounty hunters such as Cad Bane, Pre Vizsla, and Jango Fett. I already posted evidence of Jango firing more th a five shots and he doesn't fight at enhanced speeds. Neither do the clones yet they successfully murdered the majority of the Jedi.

Bs. Windu jumped away and benefited from the beasts disabling the jetpack. That wasn't something Windu caused on his own.

Yes, he did. Palpatine needed anakins aid.

He doesn't have to. He said he will now die thus making his intentions clear. What lightsaber did have on him ? He was going to kill him with force lightning which isn't powerful like a saber. He's an idiot I agree.

Nah. Yoda was ko'd while Luke was not.

He has to concentrate. We also see they have to maintain focus. Khan kills him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fleeing is leaving the scene not standing your ground. Look up the definition kid. Obi fled first. He left the area.

Age does factor in. Their bodies are in worse shape. That doesn't prevent them from using the force abilities but in normal gait they look like they should be in a nursing home.

Palpatine was going to replace the older Vader with sky walker because age does matter.

So after he did say he will kill him Luke walked away immediately. You dint prove injuries with film evidence you made shit up. 😂

You posted a video that was a vision in which Palpatine failed to break Yoda. None of that was real. 😂

Might as well start posting dream sequences as proof.

Post the movie proof. In the film we see him walk away rather casually.

You posted a vision that did not occur and made up Luke being injured.

It doesn't matter who left the area who left the battle first. Vizla he left the battle be issue he couldn't beat the Jedi.

Not as much as you think. You make it seem like if you are just old you can't function. Yoda who has mild arthritis needs a cane to walk can still kick dookus butt and spin in circles around Darth Sidious and jump from pod to pod. Not someone I would call and old muppet. Of course without the force they all wouldn't be the same. However they all actually have their own natural toughness and strength.

False palaptine was going to replace older Skywlaker with Luke because Luke has greater power in the force. Prove your claim. Also Vader was 46 by the time he died, not something I consider old compared to Dooku or Sidious or even windu who was in his mid to late 50s when he died.

Actually brought in information from his wookipedia which for this battle Impediment said is your friend. Also why wouldn't he suffer any injuries. If I shock with as powerful lightning as that for that amount of time do you honestly think Luke would walk away and not have any injuries what so ever. If you do get out of here as you have no common sense.

It wasn't real irrelevant. It didn't bolster anyone's power or anything. Yoda reacted in the way he thought he would and it basically fort old the future so yes everything in that vision could occur and it didn't bolster anyone's fighting performance or anything. So yes Sidious can choke and shock at the same time.

Again irrelevant to whether it was real or not, if you can prove that the vision upgrades someone's power post it until then you are debunked. Also I didn't make it up I told you lol up Luke, then scroll down to post endor and it says he's recovering from his injuries. Also if you are shocked with that much lightning you need help you are hurt and need time to recover.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It doesn't matter who left the area who left the battle first. Vizla he left the battle be issue he couldn't beat the Jedi.

Not as much as you think. You make it seem like if you are just old you can't function. Yoda who has mild arthritis needs a cane to walk can still kick dookus butt and spin in circles around Darth Sidious and jump from pod to pod. Not someone I would call and old muppet. Of course without the force they all wouldn't be the same. However they all actually have their own natural toughness and strength.

False palaptine was going to replace older Skywlaker with Luke because Luke has greater power in the force. Prove your claim. Also Vader was 46 by the time he died, not something I consider old compared to Dooku or Sidious or even windu who was in his mid to late 50s when he died.

Actually brought in information from his wookipedia which for this battle Impediment said is your friend. Also why wouldn't he suffer any injuries. If I shock with as powerful lightning as that for that amount of time do you honestly think Luke would walk away and not have any injuries what so ever. If you do get out of here as you have no common sense.

It wasn't real irrelevant. It didn't bolster anyone's power or anything. Yoda reacted in the way he thought he would and it basically fort old the future so yes everything in that vision could occur and it didn't bolster anyone's fighting performance or anything. So yes Sidious can choke and shock at the same time.

Again irrelevant to whether it was real or not, if you can prove that the vision upgrades someone's power post it until then you are debunked. Also I didn't make it up I told you lol up Luke, then scroll down to post endor and it says he's recovering from his injuries. Also if you are shocked with that much lightning you need help you are hurt and need time to recover.

I said they can function in battle but they are diminished. Yoda and Sidious were both cane bound at the end. That's awful. No, it's all force induced. Without it he needs a cane for gait.

Yes, due to his younger age. Luke was more powerful because he wasn't some old failure who never lived up to his potential.

That isn't evidence and this is films only. I saw him walk away. This is a fantasy film so please I just go by the facts. You should do the same.

It didn't not occur so it isn't evidence. Palpatine failed to break Yoda mentally. Way to fail, Palpatine.

If some thing didn't physically happen then it isn't a fact. I go by what happens not visions or dream sequences, Palpatine fell with Yoda and disappeared you troll. That's impossible by way of his powers, dummy. 💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just repeated who left first. Then when improved it was Obi you pretended you didn't say that. You're a simple poster who doesn't even know what it is your posting.

I said they can function in battle but they are diminished. Yoda and Sidious were both cane bound at the end. That's awful. No, it's all force induced. Without it he needs a cane for gait.

Yes, due to his younger age. Luke was more powerful because he wasn't some old failure who never lived up to his potential.

That isn't evidence and this is films only. I saw him walk away. This is a fantasy film so please I just go by the facts. You should do the same.

It didn't not occur so it isn't evidence. Palpatine failed to break Yoda mentally. Way to fail, Palpatine.

If some thing didn't physically happen then it isn't a fact. I go by what happens not visions or dream sequences, Palpatine fell with Yoda and disappeared you troll. That's impossible by way of his powers, dummy. 💃

I ask you again. Who told his men to take care of the Jedi? Who was beat to the ground by kenobi the most in that battle? Who retreated first? Pre Vizla. Vizla lost that battle. https://youtu.be/5_lJ9nnsbew obi wan is the clear victor.

Well yoda didn't need that cane when he was fighting off Dooku, palaptine, clone troopers, and battle droids. Also Sidious didn't need the cane as by the time of the end of ROTJ he is walking without the need of the cane.

Prove it. He clearly wanted to replace vader with his son due to the potential that Luke had. He had the potential to be what Sidious wanted anakin to become so that's why he wanted anakin. 46 years of age didn't matter to him. Age wasn't the problem. Prove your claim.

Blah blah, he would suffer injuries sooner or later. You don't walk away form a thunder strike and just walk it off. You need immediate care, or at the least you need some type of care or time to recover. Your claim dismissed.

1) stay on topic. I'm not debating Sidious breaking yoda mentally. I know he didn't. I'm proving to you Sidous can use choke and lightning together. Agains irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it was real or not. It shows what will happen. Anakin eventually defeated Dooku. Sidous and yoda fought to a stalemate. Yoda blocked Sidious with tutaminis and both felt the repulse of it. So yes Sidous can use choke and lighting at the same time.

Whatever it happened in the clone wars so it can happen also what stops you from believing that sidious can't do it. It's simple choke combined with a little lightning. So I have proven Sidiosu kills khan with the power of the dark side. Shock + choke = Khan's death. Dummy.
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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I ask you again. Who told his men to take care of the Jedi? Who was beat to the ground by kenobi the most in that battle? Who retreated first? Pre Vizla. Vizla lost that battle. https://youtu.be/5_lJ9nnsbew obi wan is the clear victor.

Well yoda didn't need that cane when he was fighting off Dooku, palaptine, clone troopers, and battle droids. Also Sidious didn't need the cane as by the time of the end of ROTJ he is walking without the need of the cane.

Prove it. He clearly wanted to replace vader with his son due to the potential that Luke had. He had the potential to be what Sidious wanted anakin to become so that's why he wanted anakin. 46 years of age didn't matter to him. Age wasn't the problem. Prove your claim.

Blah blah, he would suffer injuries sooner or later. You don't walk away form a thunder strike and just walk it off. You need immediate care, or at the least you need some type of care or time to recover. Your claim dismissed.

1) stay on topic. I'm not debating Sidious breaking yoda mentally. I know he didn't. I'm proving to you Sidous can use choke and lightning together. Agains irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it was real or not. It shows what will happen. Anakin eventually defeated Dooku. Sidous and yoda fought to a stalemate. Yoda blocked Sidious with tutaminis and both felt the repulse of it. So yes Sidous can use choke and lighting at the same time.

Whatever it happened in the clone wars so it can happen also what stops you from believing that sidious can't do it. It's simple choke combined with a little lightning. So I have proven Sidiosu kills khan with the power of the dark side. Shock + choke = Khan's death. Dummy.
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He did not because he used his force powers. Without them he's a muppet who needs a cane to walk. He had a cane in the film. He might not have been as bad as Yoda but he did have one in the film. He walked very slow.

Prove what ? Sidious says it. Luke is more powerful and he defeats Vader. There. Proven. Yes, age and his power was waning. This was made painfully clear. Luke was full of potential whereas Vader never met his.

Prove it. We see him just walk away. 😂

The entire vision wasn't realistic and he can't fall and disappear. The vision did not occur hence its not a fact. 😂

I knew you'd foolishly post this if I goaded you.

Then why can't you show me him doing so in reality. 🙂

Khan shoots him.WATCH THE FILM, NOOB.

Originally posted by The Scenario

Originally posted by quanchi112
Looks awful.

Don't be jealous because you aren't that skilled, quan. It's rude.

Originally posted by The Scenario

Ms Aran would destroy NuKhan.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Don't be jealous because you aren't that skilled, quan. It's rude.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pre did. Obi fled. You said who fled first. The answer is Obi. Obi fled therefore he forfeited.

He did not because he used his force powers. Without them he's a muppet who needs a cane to walk. He had a cane in the film. He might not have been as bad as Yoda but he did have one in the film. He walked very slow.

Prove what ? Sidious says it. Luke is more powerful and he defeats Vader. There. Proven. Yes, age and his power was waning. This was made painfully clear. Luke was full of potential whereas Vader never met his.

Prove it. We see him just walk away. 😂

The entire vision wasn't realistic and he can't fall and disappear. The vision did not occur hence its not a fact. 😂

I knew you'd foolishly post this if I goaded you.

Then why can't you show me him doing so in reality. 🙂

Khan shoots him.WATCH THE FILM, NOOB.

Pre told his men to handle the situation since he couldn't. Boom evidence. Without the force assisting they couldn't pull out any of the stops that they use because the force elevates them to superhuman feats.

No where in that quote does it say age was something Sidous was concerned with. It's speciaffacly states my view. Sidious wanted Luke because he is more powerful or has the potential to be more powerful. That's why, also a 29 year difference is going to really matter to palatine. He is concerned with the power and Luke had more potential now that vader was all messed up age had nothing to do with it.

It's a darn shame you can't use common sense. If you have been shocked with fatal torrents of lightning over and over again, and then his bio says this what more proof do you need.

Again, does the vision bolster any of their powers. Him falling and disapapesring was to make it to where he couldn't figure out his identity but that doesn't prove he can't do it in real life. He basically employs powers there that he can do in real life, no unrealistic powers were used.

Well I can take whatever you can throw my way kiddo.

Khan has no defense to the force.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Pre told his men to handle the situation since he couldn't. Boom evidence. Without the force assisting they couldn't pull out any of the stops that they use because the force elevates them to superhuman feats.

No where in that quote does it say age was something Sidous was concerned with. It's speciaffacly states my view. Sidious wanted Luke because he is more powerful or has the potential to be more powerful. That's why, also a 29 year difference is going to really matter to palatine. He is concerned with the power and Luke had more potential now that vader was all messed up age had nothing to do with it.

It's a darn shame you can't use common sense. If you have been shocked with fatal torrents of lightning over and over again, and then his bio says this what more proof do you need.

Again, does the vision bolster any of their powers. Him falling and disapapesring was to make it to where he couldn't figure out his identity but that doesn't prove he can't do it in real life. He basically employs powers there that he can do in real life, no unrealistic powers were used.

Well I can take whatever you can throw my way kiddo.

Khan has no defense to the force.

So you agree Luke had more power. You concede. Age also matters hence the cane reliance. A younger Yoda wouldn't need a cane for gait. It clearly affects him physically like beings who age and die.

That isn't film evidence and the movie shows him get up and leave.

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So you admit the vision isn't a fact and that Palpatine can't do that thus disqualifying the entire vision.

His gun is a defense and an offense.

Jedi can be choked by other Jedi with the force and unable to break free. The same applies to them, noob.

You can either counter or you can't and the same applies to the Jedi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is you speculating. Fact is Obi fled. He lost. Bounty hunters don't need the force for superhuman feats.

So you agree Luke had more power. You concede. Age also matters hence the cane reliance. A younger Yoda wouldn't need a cane for gait. It clearly affects him physically like beings who age and die.

That isn't film evidence and the movie shows him get up and leave.

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So you admit the vision isn't a fact and that Palpatine can't do that thus disqualifying the entire vision.

His gun is a defense and an offense.

Jedi can be choked by other Jedi with the force and unable to break free. The same applies to them, noob.

You can either counter or you can't and the same applies to the Jedi.

You want me to post the video. Obi wan clearly won their fight and then vizla told his guards to handle since who lost? Vizla.

You concede. Your point of view was that palpatine wanted Luke because he was younger and that age was a factor in his decision. My point was that age had nothing to do it and that Luke had more potential. So we both agree Luke has more power/potential howevever get the nonsense of age out of your mind.

Blah blah blah. Lightning is lightning, it hurts sooner or later.

Where are you getting your assumptions from. It was a SITH illusion created by Dooku and Sidious. However it doesn't make any type of power increase or anything like that. Unless you can prove that it does. There is no reason to believe Sidious can't use the two powers together.

Well it won't help when Sidious has basically disarmed him of his weapons.

So Sidious won't have any trouble choking Khan then shall we.

I've countered everything you have said. Move along kid.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You want me to post the video. Obi wan clearly won their fight and then vizla told his guards to handle since who lost? Vizla.

You concede. Your point of view was that palpatine wanted Luke because he was younger and that age was a factor in his decision. My point was that age had nothing to do it and that Luke had more potential. So we both agree Luke has more power/potential howevever get the nonsense of age out of your mind.

Blah blah blah. Lightning is lightning, it hurts sooner or later.

Where are you getting your assumptions from. It was a SITH illusion created by Dooku and Sidious. However it doesn't make any type of power increase or anything like that. Unless you can prove that it does. There is no reason to believe Sidious can't use the two powers together.

Well it won't help when Sidious has basically disarmed him of his weapons.

So Sidious won't have any trouble choking Khan then shall we.

I've countered everything you have said. Move along kid.

Age as well as power were both factors. Palpatine even mentions a younger more powerful apprentice after Dooku is dead to grievous. Both factors, dummy.

Luke is younger and more powerful. These factors clearly matter since Palpatine mentions them both.

It did hurt but not enough that he couldn't walk away right afterwards despite the time he was blasted. It's also force lightning not real lightning.

I don't have to prove a vision counts. It doesn't. It was bs. It also failed.

You just make baseless claims. You need evidence.

Khan's kills him. Faster feats

Jedi and Sith can force choke each other. 🙂

Khan eradicates the geriatric.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, post it liar. Pre was fine and Obi fled, liar.

Age as well as power were both factors. Palpatine even mentions a younger more powerful apprentice after Dooku is dead to grievous. Both factors, dummy.

Luke is younger and more powerful. These factors clearly matter since Palpatine mentions them both.

It did hurt but not enough that he couldn't walk away right afterwards despite the time he was blasted. It's also force lightning not real lightning.

I don't have to prove a vision counts. It doesn't. It was bs. It also failed.

You just make baseless claims. You need evidence.

Khan's kills him. Faster feats

Jedi and Sith can force choke each other. 🙂

Khan eradicates the geriatric.

1. https://youtu.be/5_lJ9nnsbew liar obi was clear victor here liar.

2. Just power the emperor wouldn't really care about a 29 year age difference. Power is his only issue.

3. When does he ever mention age. He says young Skywalker because he is the punter Skywalker also there are two skywalkers so he wanted to distinguish. Vader isn't as old as dooku. Dooku was just a place holder and when vader became the true Darth vader he started to replace him with star killer Luke, yes all younger but they had the most raw power he could use. Of course he doesn't want someone who's basically can't go any further.

4. It apparently hurt like real lightning. Let's compromise on this. Let's agree until episode 7 is released the type of pain he received form the lightning is unknown but he did suffer injury.

5. No I'm not asking to you to prove the results of the illusion I'm asking you to prove would the illusion bolster sidious' abiltiies.

6. And I have brought more than you can chew.

7. Sidous has the force. Khans speed won't help him.

8. Jedi have force shields so your statement proves that Khna has no answer to the force, and will be subdued in short order.

9. If this is DE Sidious he can turn him into ash however if it's ROTJ he can still do so much.