Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
The flash is at always moving at the speed of light. Quit exaggerating. I am just making a clear comparison to someone with truly battle super speed not this fanboyish claim of you Star Wars lunatics. I am showing you an example of someone with super speed. Continue to be the lunatic fanboy I know you to be, nerd.

You're not helping your argument by comparing them to someone who moves the Speed of Light.

If we compare to someone like Spider-Man, who clearly has superhuman speed. The you'll find that even Spider-Man's been hit by humans with no super speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112

I have already showed you a warned attack that took TWO SECONDS TO EXECUTE. You refusing to acknowledge this fact proves you're the fanboy I have always claimed you to be. I always back my claims unlike you.

It was warned? Did Palpatine say "I'm about to shoot Lightning from my fingers"

Did Yoda fail to deflect Dooku's Lightning? Did he not deflect Palpatine's Lightning later on when he knew it was coming?

Do you realize how retarded you're being yet?

Originally posted by quanchi112
She already has time to move prior to. Yoda isn't reacting before she can move and this took seconds. You're ignoring what she did prior to. She doesn't use a gun so she had to physically close the distance and take out an older and superior Jedi to her. I've already cited examples of Yoda himself being in harms way for three seconds and being ko'd by a warned two second attack.

No you're ignoring that Yoda Clearly ALLOWED Ventress to get up, but didn't ALLOW her to do anything else.

Just like he won't ALLOW Khan to make a move, and freeze him where he is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda toyed with her due to the reasons I have already stated. Yoda has the same abilities only at a much higher level thus making the example completely moot to Khan since he doesn't need to close the distance physically. 😉

And tell me when a Force user whose faster than Khan has no defense against Yoda's Tk, then what defense is Khan going to have?

I'll save you the thinking time: None.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Continue to cite irrelevant examples and make a complete dunce out of yourself. I enjoy it highly.

You're enjoying getting your ass kicked with evidence all over your face?

Urmmm ok.......

Originally posted by quanchi112
He rapes both due to his feats, accuracy, weaponry, and skill. You can't change the facts.

Yoda's accuracy, speed, reflexes and power are all clearly leagues and leagues beyond Khan's:

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^2:33-2:39

Blitzing Speed clearly way Beyond Khan.

3:02-3:07

Deflection showing coordination, speed, reflexes all miles and miles and miles beyond Khan.

The evidence is with me. The troll power is undeniably with you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
First off you're making a broad generalization about humans which wasn't my point. Khan is superhuman so why is this even relevant ? Bane doesn't have super speed yet he clearly beats Obi due to being quicker than he was. That totally dispels your entire Jedi and sith move at super speed. None of that detracts from my point. I didn't use this example to show they have the same abilities I used this example to dispel your super speed claim. [B]Mission accomplished.[/B]

LMAO I've already shown evidence upon evidence of Jedi moving at super speeds. From Padawans through near Knights to the Elite Masters.

So your lowballing is absolutely pointless until you show YODA or SIDIOUS, the opponents your arguing here, getting hit by normal humans.

Cad Bane is definitely superhuman. And he could never hit Yoda LMAO. So your point sucks. As usual.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan rapes Cad bane but that's another topic. Quit derailing, darth troll.

You have a serious case of male on male rape fantasy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you ignore a fact when palpatine loses. It's just like you to ignore the facts. This is why you're darth troll.

What have I ignored? That he got beat by the 2nd Most Powerful Jedi, who would chop Khan's head off as fast as he chopped off Jango Fett's head?

LMAO You're just getting too desperate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan used the element of surprise and attacked without restraint and to kill. That's always been a great point for Khan. That's how you attack in war. You do not give speeches like Palpatine did or allow your opponent to come to after you ko them. Horrific awful showing for Palaptine after havin a clear advantage.

Oh and the Double Standards come out again.

So when Khan starts HIS BEST FEAT by cheap shotting that's supposed to be impressive. But when Palaptine casually walks past mandalorian warriors choking them, "HE SURPRISED THEM, ATTACKED THEM WITHOUT THEM KNOWING.."

When Yoda freezes Ventress (which he could clearly do at will)

"HE SURPRISED HER, ATTACKED HER WITHOUT HER KNOWING.."

LMAO. Your Obliteration is complete at my hands. Go cry now and try winning the Khan vs Ahsoka thread first, before wasting Sidious's time.

Khan's best feat was a cheap shot. Deal with it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In none of the feats you posted do they instantly freeze before anyone can react. They all speak and talk without action. You already conceded Khan will cheapshot but that just proves he will fire before any of the jedi or sith are ready. That's smart tactics. You don't wait in war till your opponent is ready. Every clip you have posted backs my claims here. In character even according to you Khan wins.

The evidence is 100% on my side:

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^ Khan gets instantly frozen, with his weapons in Sidious's hands.

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Khan's out of his depth in speed, coordination, reflexes and agility.

😆

Flash has been tagged by explosives before, every character has their low end showings

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Flash has been tagged by explosives before, every character has their low end showings

He's saying Flash never gets punched in the face when in a fist fight with a human of normal speed.

But your point is correct. Flash has been hit many times, when he shouldn't be. And Flash is Light speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So we see it aided him because his body got worse due to age.

Quit flaming because you lost. Be gracious in defeat, diabetes guy.

Aiding and requiring aren't the same thing. If something aids you it help but it isn't necessarily needed. If something is needed than you need it like you can't go without it. For instance food is a need. If You don't eat it you will die. A cane is something that aids you. If you can't walk than you would need a wheel chair. Se the differences.

How did I lose you couldn't refute my first argument. So really you lost. If you can come out of your shell and be a man and face me. So take your own advice and be gracious in your defeat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're not helping your argument by comparing them to someone who moves the Speed of Light.

If we compare to someone like Spider-Man, who clearly has superhuman speed. The you'll find that even Spider-Man's been hit by humans with no super speed.

It was warned? Did Palpatine say "I'm about to shoot Lightning from my fingers"

Did Yoda fail to deflect Dooku's Lightning? Did he not deflect Palpatine's Lightning later on when he knew it was coming?

Do you realize how retarded you're being yet?

No you're ignoring that Yoda Clearly ALLOWED Ventress to get up, but didn't ALLOW her to do anything else.

Just like he won't ALLOW Khan to make a move, and freeze him where he is.

And tell me when a Force user whose faster than Khan has no defense against Yoda's Tk, then what defense is Khan going to have?

I'll save you the thinking time: None.

You're enjoying getting your ass kicked with evidence all over your face?

Urmmm ok.......

Yoda's accuracy, speed, reflexes and power are all clearly leagues and leagues beyond Khan's:

?v=wmwWKrtPW9g

^2:33-2:39

Blitzing Speed clearly way Beyond Khan.

3:02-3:07

Deflection showing coordination, speed, reflexes all miles and miles and miles beyond Khan.

The evidence is with me. The troll power is undeniably with you.

LMAO I've already shown evidence upon evidence of Jedi moving at super speeds. From Padawans through near Knights to the Elite Masters.

So your lowballing is absolutely pointless until you show YODA or SIDIOUS, the opponents your arguing here, getting hit by normal humans.

Cad Bane is definitely superhuman. And he could never hit Yoda LMAO. So your point sucks. As usual.

You have a serious case of male on male rape fantasy.

What have I ignored? That he got beat by the 2nd Most Powerful Jedi, who would chop Khan's head off as fast as he chopped off Jango Fett's head?

LMAO You're just getting too desperate.

Oh and the Double Standards come out again.

So when Khan starts HIS BEST FEAT by cheap shotting that's supposed to be impressive. But when Palaptine casually walks past mandalorian warriors choking them, "HE SURPRISED THEM, ATTACKED THEM WITHOUT THEM KNOWING.."

When Yoda freezes Ventress (which he could clearly do at will)

"HE SURPRISED HER, ATTACKED HER WITHOUT HER KNOWING.."

LMAO. Your Obliteration is complete at my hands. Go cry now and try winning the Khan vs Ahsoka thread first, before wasting Sidious's time.

Khan's best feat was a cheap shot. Deal with it.

The evidence is 100% on my side:

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^ Khan gets instantly frozen, with his weapons in Sidious's hands.

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Khan's out of his depth in speed, coordination, reflexes and agility.

😆

You'd have to go into the details then of the instances. Spider-Man doesn't get humiliated to the point in which Bane defeated Obi thus proving he doesn't have superhuman combat speed.

Palaptine said something to the effect, you're about to feel the full power of the dark side and then gestured his hands forward. So Yoda needs the attack to be announced ? Precog ? Oh that really hurts your fanboyism.

He did not fail to deflect Dooku's. Dooku was not on his level though and clearly outwitted him using his force powers to allow him to escape.

Yoda also lost his saber later on. 💃
Yoda also fell from the pod so he wasn't strong enough to resist the Lightning even while armed and prepared according to you. He lost. Hahaha.

So now you ignore the time frame and only focus on the force attack ?? Oh the irony. You can't give one example of him ever doing so. Look at the royal guards. They had time to aim their guns before he force pushed them. You have no examples of your scripted claims. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

You have not proven he is faster than Khan is with his guns. Khan as you yourself said fires what you deem cheapshots. He does not hesitate while Palpatine tends to sermonize. The evidence already shows the mandalorians had time to aim and say halt without firing. You make baseless claims and ignore the evidence.

You ignore the evidence and exaggerate their powers. I cite examples that back my claims. You don't. Enjoy mediocrity.

You are ignoring the fact they had him three seconds dead to rights. I also have Jar Jar defeating droids by mistake. He was tripping all over the place and clumsily taking out the pathetic droids. Droids aren't Khan and even these droids had three seconds of Yoda hanging out in their scope.

Quit ignoring the evidence.

No, you exaggerated and denied scenes like at geonosis. We had elite Jedi at the mercy of the droids who are uncoordinated and walking targets whose maneuverability is less than optimal. You can't ignore the movies which are 100 percent canon.

Normal humans even saying it is a baseless generalization since all fictional characters should be judged based on the merits of their feats and not titles.

You are a pansy. Thanks for conceding that.

False. Windu initially jumped away from Jango and his equipment was damaged. Nor does Jango have the firepower or the feats of Khan. Physically Khan would crush Jango. Skill wise he is on another level by way of feats and even Windu had to benefit by the beasts' interactions.

Khan gained the advantage by attacking first. The Klingons had time to organize, deploy reinforcements, and have two ships assisting them on their friggin home world. The mandalorians didn't attack and they had him in their scopes. Palpatine won't have that luxury against Khan so based off the evidence while he foolishly approaches Khan obliterates him.

Yoda is greater than her at the same craft. How a lesser skilled opponent who possesses weapons and abilities completely irrelevant to Khan is somehow a valid point makes me question your intelligence.

You try to summarize the entire battle as a cheapshot while ignoring the clear context of the entire scene like a common troll. You are a troll make no mistake. You're an emotional one as well. It's quite enjoyable.

17-26 seconds in this video do we see Ventress use force based attacks and light saber deflection before Yoda uses his force powers against an opponent fighting other characters.

That's called citing evidence and actually examining the feat from the moment Ventress acted. That's roughly 9 seconds of her before Yoda reacts. That's pathetic.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Flash has been tagged by explosives before, every character has their low end showings

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Aiding and requiring aren't the same thing. If something aids you it help but it isn't necessarily needed. If something is needed than you need it like you can't go without it. For instance food is a need. If You don't eat it you will die. A cane is something that aids you. If you can't walk than you would need a wheel chair. Se the differences.

How did I lose you couldn't refute my first argument. So really you lost. If you can come out of your shell and be a man and face me. So take your own advice and be gracious in your defeat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said it functions as an aid because his body has physically deteriorated since last time. That is undeniable. You wanted to argue over an obvious fact which is why you have lost. I never said he couldn't go without it. Pay attention to my words before you try switching the goalposts on me.

Actually if I were to go back and quote you, you have said that he needed it several times. I've said what you are now admitting so thanks for conceding that point as from the start I've stated he can walk without while you e said he needs it now I've won the debate by you conceding he doesn't need it. Also I'm now of the opinion he doesn't even require it as an aid because look at who he uses it around. When he uses it he is around his commanders storm troopers and council members/other officials. However when he is around vader and Luke he doesn't have it. So really you should just consent to your defeat instead of flaming since you've lost.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually if I were to go back and quote you, you have said that he needed it several times. I've said what you are now admitting so thanks for conceding that point as from the start I've stated he can walk without while you e said he needs it now I've won the debate by you conceding he doesn't need it. Also I'm now of the opinion he doesn't even require it as an aid because look at who he uses it around. When he uses it he is around his commanders storm troopers and council members/other officials. However when he is around vader and Luke he doesn't have it. So really you should just consent to your defeat instead of flaming since you've lost.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see he needed it.

You just theorized. You need to actually cite something that is proof not theory.

Here Quan you say we see he needed it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Here Quan you say we see he needed it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. I said it's an aid and never said he is completely reliant on it 100 percent of the time. You are speculating again without proof. It isn't how to debate. Concession accepted.

False I quoted you from a few pages back so you can see your own words. That is proof as it is actual fact from the movies and it shows, Sidious testing Anakin to be his apprentice, shows him manipulating Ankin through the series to become his apprentice, luring him closer to him as by telling him about Darth Plagueis as to show how to save his wife, he knows the Jedi are coming and he knows Anakin wants Padme so he knows he will come back to help him, Sidious is a stalemate to a 100 amped mace windu as stated in the novel which is usable as this isn't a thread but a debate which actually belongs in Star Wars, he was able to take out the other three who combined are match or greater than windu and he took them out in seconds, he could have killed windu whenever he wanted but why he didn't. All of this is actual fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did need it in that scene. I never said he needed it ALL THE TIME. Learn what words actually mean in the context in which they are used.

No you didn't say he needed for that scene you said he needed it end of story. So you saying something I'm supposed automatically know you mean something else over social media. You said he needed it. Period. You need to

1) Say what you mean
2) Accept your defeats like a man

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
False I quoted you from a few pages back so you can see your own words. That is proof as it is actual fact from the movies and it shows, Sidious testing Anakin to be his apprentice, shows him manipulating Ankin through the series to become his apprentice, luring him closer to him as by telling him about Darth Plagueis as to show how to save his wife, he knows the Jedi are coming and he knows Anakin wants Padme so he knows he will come back to help him, Sidious is a stalemate to a 100 amped mace windu as stated in the novel which is usable as this isn't a thread but a debate which actually belongs in Star Wars, he was able to take out the other three who combined are match or greater than windu and he took them out in seconds, he could have killed windu whenever he wanted but why he didn't. All of this is actual fact.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit bringing that into all these threads. He needed it in that scene. Movies only. Palpatine feigned weakness after he was defeated due to needing Anakin's help while at Windu's mercy.

🙂

Glad to see you acknowledge all of that is evidence and proof. Speculation now as what makes that scene different from when it was him Luke and Vader.? I'll tell you. There were no guards, official officers besides vader, no advisers or aids or anything to Sidious or stormtroopers. So with that also Dooku was older than Sidious so why would Sidious need one at all but Dooku didn't.

Yeah.... Palpatine stomps hard.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Glad to see you acknowledge all of that is evidence and proof. Speculation now as what makes that scene different from when it was him Luke and Vader.? I'll tell you. There were no guards, official officers besides vader, no advisers or aids or anything to Sidious or stormtroopers. So with that also Dooku was older than Sidious so why would Sidious need one at all but Dooku didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. You citing an irrelevant point over and over because your bad at debating is just trolling. He needed it in that scene. Your speculation isn't proof. His body deteriorated. Undeniable.

Until you can actually prove that it isn't relevant you can't dismiss it. Disprove it, or shut up. Speculation as in another scene he walked well without it and the circumstances naming people were different. So with that I now am of the belief he doesn't need the cane it's just there to make him look stylish or to appear weak to foes. So what did dookus do as by the time of his first death in ROTJ he was 78 while Dooku by the time of his death in ROTS was 83.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Until you can actually prove that it isn't relevant you can't dismiss it. Disprove it, or shut up. Speculation as in another scene he walked well without it and the circumstances naming people were different. So with that I now am of the belief he doesn't need the cane it's just there to make him look stylish or to appear weak to foes. So what did dookus do as by the time of his first death in ROTJ he was 78 while Dooku by the time of his death in ROTS was 83.

Khan wins.--Relevant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is irrelevant since we are discussing rots palpatine. You have no movie evidence that he used it for style.

Khan wins.--Relevant.

Actually I do. The simple fact that he is seen walking at the same speed and not limping or struggling to walk without it. However what's different in those two scenes. Sidious wasn't around his military commanders or troops or official officers or advisors. Only vader who knew him and Luke someone he didn't need to fake on really.

Per evidence Khan loses.