Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes yoda was more dependent as he was 900 YEAR OLD. So with that you agree that Sidious doesn't need the cane.

Because Sidious clouded their vision. No he didn't. His dad was emotionally disturbed. He was afraid for his wife. I can tell you know nothing of family values. He threw the fight. I've given you the evidence.

So you agree you can't cite a single thing to point to him throwing it outside your fanboy speculation. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He needs it sometimes. It's there to help him. He's old and decrepit as well.

So you agree you can't cite a single thing to point to him throwing it outside your fanboy speculation. Concession accepted.

So with that you concede it's not a necessity.

No there is plenty of evidence to suggest he threw the fight. It's amazing how I say I have evidence then you say I have none when k clearly have one piece that you have yet to refute.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So with that you concede it's not a necessity.

No there is plenty of evidence to suggest he threw the fight. It's amazing how I say I have evidence then you say I have none when k clearly have one piece that you have yet to refute.

No, you have nothing to support your flimsy theory. You have to prove it. You failed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is there for his betterment. Undeniable.

No, you have nothing to support your flimsy theory. You have to prove it. You failed.

He doesn't need it as seen in the films. Undeniable.

Oh okay then. Let's debate about it then. You haven't been able to refute anything I've said, you've just said "it's speculation" when you know it's not, or "I'm not using proof" when I am. So yea let's debate this since you think he didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Flash doesn't get hit by punches against human beings in a fist fight. The point keeps flying over your head. Teehee.

The fact that you're even comparing the Flash to a Jedi shows we've already won LMAO.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the scene again and ass how many seconds and movements she pulled off before he froze her. Time matters. Evidence, trollio.

She didn't pull any movements. She was completely frozen, couldn't even move an inch to kill the king. Then Yoda lets her go, and casually removes her weapons when she goes into attack position again.

You're getting desperate 😆

Give up. Khan gets embarrassingly stomped here. Khan wouldn't even be stupid enough to engage Yoda. Only his biggest fanboy wants him to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cad Bane beat Obi with a weapon. That's laughable. Khan just crash landed and fought him hand to hand. Yoda needs a cane for simple gait. That's pathetic. Khan was weapon less and still was winning. Weapon less Khan isn't relevant to this thread, Lou.

Cad Bane is beyond anyone Khan has ever defeated. Cad Bane can fly, Khan can't. So Kenobi > Khan. Let alone Yoda. LMAO

I win as usual.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did khan cheapshot and kill them all over they could mount an offensive ? Do you know what cheapshot means ?

Yeah, he began firing on them when they didn't even know they were fighting him. That's a cheap shot.

Yoda on the other hand waits for him enemies to make the first move then kicks their butts:

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^ 0:48-1:03

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Khan's a total wuss 😂 Yoda's a total bad ass!

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]1:45-1:48 in your flip the droids have yoda in their sights. 3 seconds and they lacked the quickness to fire on someone who sat in their sights for 3 seconds
Next time watch your own video which destroys your own case. Yoda stood there in their scope before moving but to the incompetence of this droid he got away. Let's just say Khan doesn't need three seconds, Lou. [/B]

facepalm

He wasn't slow. He has pre-cog, so moved when he needed to.

Honestly your desperation never ceases to amaze me!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Precognition. They also fought off and blocked some of the blaster fire. Do you know who war works ? Do people stand out in the open ?

Yoda can:

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^ 0:48-1:03

But Yoda's a total badd ass in complete control. Clearly Khan needs to cheap shot 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still lost and embarrassingly so. He was outmaneuvered by a bounty hunter. Lol.

I'd take getting outmaneuvered by Cad Bane, than defeated by Spock and Uhura anyday 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm the greatest debater of all time.

I guess that makes me the new number 1. Because I'm seriously kicking your butt in every day:

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^ Evidence is all there. Yoda freezes Khan. Sidious chokes and Lightnings Khan. Khan chokes and cries 😆

Yoda could rip through multiple Khan's based on the above. 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're a fool. Your elbow to wrist isn't the issue. It's the amount of distance to there as well as movement to hit someone else. 😉. The Jedi and with are extremely skilled with a saber. They do this with years of practice. They dint operate on a superhuman level of perception any greater than any other superhuman opponent like say Jango. Proof is in the pudding, skippy. 😂

So you concede the point. Perfect. Pats myself on the back.

Whitaker is more highly skilled in boxing. He's also quicker but still without the same realm of perception. You back my point. I've always maintained these points while you've managed to misinterpret my argument from the get go. Shame.

So you admit they can get hit by punches which are slower than lasers thus back my point they will get hit by phaser blasts which are undoubtedly faster.

Concession happily accepted. All your points have been decimated unknowingly by your own ineptitude. 💃

So it's the bumbling moron routine then eh Quan? Did you do the measurement? From your waist to the middle of your head is a GREATER distance traveled than from your elbow to the end of your closed fist. Meaning, in that sequence Anakin had to cover a greater distance than he would merely punching. You claimed the distance is longer to punch.. I've proven that isn't true. Thus, if they can more their arms THAT fast to block laser fire (which is vastly faster than any punch. Point being, if they need to move their arm that fast to punch.. they can.

Wut? There was no concession. Your analogy is crap

Nobody is saying the Jedi can't be hit, nobody has claimed that. The point is, you're claiming that them being hit proves they have human level perception. That is the idiocy of your argument. Just because somebody is hit DOESN'T prove they have human level perception. Not in the least. Sometimes they just can't avoid or block everything. Same thing with a professional boxer... He HAS the ability to dodge punches.. he has perception enough and reflexes enough to do so... Guess what they still get hit. Getting hit doesn't prove what you think it does, and as usual, I've crushed this argument of yours with utter ease.

The Whitaker example again shows this. He is faster, more agile, better reflexes, better movement both lower and upper body and better radar (a boxing term used to describe somebody seeing a punch coming and avoiding it) Whitaker's radar is all time great level, which is why he's considered one of the best defensive fighter ever. He has all those things considerably above Ramirez how is slow and plodding and doesn't have a good radar or reflex. Yet he was still able to land on Whitaker at times. Again this illustrates the point. Just because you're better than somebody in all areas related to avoiding punches and speed doesn't mean you won't ever get hit by them.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The fact that you're even comparing the Flash to a Jedi shows we've already won LMAO.

She didn't pull any movements. She was completely frozen, couldn't even move an inch to kill the king. Then Yoda lets her go, and casually removes her weapons when she goes into attack position again.

You're getting desperate 😆

Give up. Khan gets embarrassingly stomped here. Khan wouldn't even be stupid enough to engage Yoda. Only his biggest fanboy wants him to.

Cad Bane is beyond anyone Khan has ever defeated. Cad Bane can fly, Khan can't. So Kenobi > Khan. Let alone Yoda. LMAO

I win as usual.

Yeah, he began firing on them when they didn't even know they were fighting him. That's a cheap shot.

Yoda on the other hand waits for him enemies to make the first move then kicks their butts:

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^ 0:48-1:03

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Khan's a total wuss 😂 Yoda's a total bad ass!

facepalm

He wasn't slow. He has pre-cog, so moved when he needed to.

Honestly your desperation never ceases to amaze me!

Yoda can:

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^ 0:48-1:03

But Yoda's a total badd ass in complete control. Clearly Khan needs to cheap shot 😆

I'd take getting outmaneuvered by Cad Bane, than defeated by Spock and Uhura anyday 😆

I guess that makes me the new number 1. Because I'm seriously kicking your butt in every day:

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^ Evidence is all there. Yoda freezes Khan. Sidious chokes and Lightnings Khan. Khan chokes and cries 😆

Yoda could rip through multiple Khan's based on the above. 😆

She moved prior to being frozen. He didn't hold her before she could move initially. Watch the scene again. She had to get close and hit him close which is different than Khan.

Irony.

You're a fool. Khan would rape him. No amount of fanboyism changes the facts.

No, Cad Bane is not. But that's besides the point. Cad Bane doesn't have super speed yet he can beat Obi thus disproving your fanboyism. He doesn't have a connection to the force. Khan>>>them all.
You're delusional as usual.

He didn't kill them all in his initial barrage so there went your point. Palpatine cheapshots as well. Yoda, Mandalorian guards and he even had Anakin bail him out of a fight he lost to Windu. 😂

Double standards. You're a joke.

This is a Palpatine thread you fool. Yoda had three seconds to move. Palpatine got him with a two second attack. I guess that third second really matters. 🙂

Facts.

He didn't move with Palpatine when he zapped him. Whoops. Lost that saber later on to. Whoops. I guess he doesn't move when he has to, fanboy.

Obi was armed whereas Khan wasn't. They both were and he just crash landed. Context.

Yes, the evidence proves Khan wins. Your double standards are nauseating.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He doesn't need it as seen in the films. Undeniable.

Oh okay then. Let's debate about it then. You haven't been able to refute anything I've said, you've just said "it's speculation" when you know it's not, or "I'm not using proof" when I am. So yea let's debate this since you think he didn't.

You just theorized. You need to actually cite something that is proof not theory.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So it's the bumbling moron routine then eh Quan? Did you do the measurement? From your waist to the middle of your head is a GREATER distance traveled than from your elbow to the end of your closed fist. Meaning, in that sequence Anakin had to cover a greater distance than he would merely punching. You claimed the distance is longer to punch.. I've proven that isn't true. Thus, if they can more their arms THAT fast to block laser fire (which is vastly faster than any punch. Point being, if they need to move their arm that fast to punch.. they can.

Wut? There was no concession. Your analogy is crap

Nobody is saying the Jedi can't be hit, nobody has claimed that. The point is, you're claiming that them being hit proves they have human level perception. That is the idiocy of your argument. Just because somebody is hit DOESN'T prove they have human level perception. Not in the least. Sometimes they just can't avoid or block everything. Same thing with a professional boxer... He HAS the ability to dodge punches.. he has perception enough and reflexes enough to do so... Guess what they still get hit. Getting hit doesn't prove what you think it does, and as usual, I've crushed this argument of yours with utter ease.

The Whitaker example again shows this. He is faster, more agile, better reflexes, better movement both lower and upper body and better radar (a boxing term used to describe somebody seeing a punch coming and avoiding it) Whitaker's radar is all time great level, which is why he's considered one of the best defensive fighter ever. He has all those things considerably above Ramirez how is slow and plodding and doesn't have a good radar or reflex. Yet he was still able to land on Whitaker at times. Again this illustrates the point. Just because you're better than somebody in all areas related to avoiding punches and speed doesn't mean you won't ever get hit by them.

You conceded. I am the man.

We see punches far slower hit them all the time thus proving their skill is saber related. Just because someone is a master swords,an doesn't mean they seeing their arms faster than anyone else in a fight. Swordfighting does not equate to fist fighting. 💃

It shows greater skill and quickness. Same perception. Boom. Your example backs my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see he needed it.

You just theorized. You need to actually cite something that is proof not theory.

Yet he was able to walk quite fine without it.

And I have clear proof to prove it. Again let's debate it, if you think you all big and bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You avoided the distance the blast was traveling from gave him more time to react. We see them punch. It is nowhere near as fast as they swing the saber.

You conceded. I am the man.

We see punches far slower hit them all the time thus proving their skill is saber related. Just because someone is a master swords,an doesn't mean they seeing their arms faster than anyone else in a fight. Swordfighting does not equate to fist fighting. 💃

It shows greater skill and quickness. Same perception. Boom. Your example backs my point.

So u believe all people have the same vision... peripheral vision n depth perception? That's what u are saying here n that is blatantly false.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yet he was able to walk quite fine without it.

And I have clear proof to prove it. Again let's debate it, if you think you all big and bad.

No, you have theories not real proof. You don't know how to debate and I don't have the time to teach you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So u believe all people have the same vision... peripheral vision n depth perception? That's what u are saying here n that is blatantly false.

Palpatine laughs at Khan and speedblitzes him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We still see he needed it.

No, you have theories not real proof. You don't know how to debate and I don't have the time to teach you.

We see he had it, but we also see he didn't need it. There is a solid difference between need and have and need and want.

Actually j do have proof. Actually you need someone to teach you because have you seen your post.myou suck at debating and are a coward and you are known throughout KMC forums as a troll. So yes I can debate while you can't. Also let's debate this out then if you think all I'm using is theories.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am using that as a point of reference to a character that actually has superhuman combat speed so you can understand the difference.

No, you're using a point of reference with someone who moves at the Speed of Light!

So the fact that you're even comparing Jedi to him, shows we've already won 😂

In any case, unless you have an example of someone with zero superhuman speed hitting Sidious or Yoda, your point is trolling. As usual! LMAO

Originally posted by quanchi112
She moved prior to being frozen. He didn't hold her before she could move initially. Watch the scene again. She had to get close and hit him close which is different than Khan.

Oh and the fanboy's in denial! Obviously because he knows his case is over!

Here let me point out the exact points for you, as you're clearly in denial about the utter embarrassment you're facing right now:

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@ 0:40 she's completely frozen. Literally can't even move an inch.

@ 0:43 Yoda's lets her go and casually tosses her aside.

@0:48 She gets back up in an offensive position. This while Yoda's chatting away to Dooku's hologram very casual and very half assed just chatting away.

@ 0:55 Before she can even move an INCH towards Yoda, Yoda takes her weapons away from her. IN fact she was such a NON-THREAT, that he even gave her weapons back to her @ 1:02

^ Yoda was completely TOYED with her the whole time you TROLL.

Only a fool would try to make an argument against out of that video. But then I should expect as much as I am talking to a complete fool here.

No she couldn't even move an inch. The only reason she was even able to get up and point her weapons at Yoda was because Yoda clearly ALLOWED IT.

You're such a fool. The Joke of KMC strikes again LMAO

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irony.

You're a fool. Khan would rape him. No amount of fanboyism changes the facts.

Khan would rape who? Sidious? Yoda?

I think we all know who the fanboy is here LOL

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Cad Bane is not. But that's besides the point. Cad Bane doesn't have super speed yet he can beat Obi thus disproving your fanboyism. He doesn't have a connection to the force. Khan>>>them all.
You're delusional as usual.

Wait who said Cad Bane doesn't move faster than a human?

If nothing else he flies. Khan doesn't. He has lots of built in weapons to surprise his opponents. Khan doesn't. He's the top Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy. Khan isn't.

Cad Bane is far beyond anyone Khan has ever beaten. Heck he has plenty of advantages over Khan himself!

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't kill them all in his initial barrage so there went your point. Palpatine cheapshots as well. Yoda, Mandalorian guards and he even had Anakin bail him out of a fight he lost to Windu. 😂

Well good job I'm not using Sidious defeating Windu as an argument here then isn't it?

Whilst your main and biggest feat of Khan began with a Massive a cheap shot. And even after he had aid from Kirk and Spock 😆

You really have no idea how to debate do you. You're a Master Troller though. I'll give you that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Double standards. You're a joke.

Huh? Nah that's you all over.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is a Palpatine thread you fool. Yoda had three seconds to move. Palpatine got him with a two second attack. I guess that third second really matters. 🙂

Oh the Irony! If this is a Palpatine thread, why are you using Palpatine shooting Yoda twice as an argument.

That only proves Palpatine is fast enough to shoot the guy who can instantly freeze Khan 😆

You just love getting smacked around, it's just too funny.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi was armed whereas Khan wasn't. They both were and he just crash landed. Context.

Khan was out for the kill. Obi wasn't. Those the the true undeniable facts, and Context.

Obi in a low showing got beat by a superhuman bounty hunter. And that's his Low Shwing! He's casually kicked Cad's butt the next time they fought.

Whilst Spock gave Khan hell! And then Khan got beat by Uhura with a stun gun 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the evidence proves Khan wins. Your double standards are nauseating.

Evidence? Evidence you say?

This makes it clear Khan is well out of his league:

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^ The speed feats, the overall feat, the scope of what Yoda does there. All completely beyond Khan.

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^ And this proves either Yoda or Palpatine can instantly freeze Khan and make him choke and cry without a fight even taking place 😆

Whilst your best evidence is cheapshotting a bunch of featless noobs.

Proving undeniably that this is the biggest Non-Fight being argued right now on KMC

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Stop embarrassing yourself with your fanboyism 😆

Originally posted by Stigma
Palpatine laughs at Khan and speedblitzes him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We see he had it, but we also see he didn't need it. There is a solid difference between need and have and need and want.

Actually j do have proof. Actually you need someone to teach you because have you seen your post.myou suck at debating and are a coward and you are known throughout KMC forums as a troll. So yes I can debate while you can't. Also let's debate this out then if you think all I'm using is theories.

Quit flaming because you lost. Be gracious in defeat, diabetes guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Quit flaming because you lost. Be gracious in defeat,

Oh the Irony 😆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, you're using a point of reference with someone who moves at the Speed of Light!

So the fact that you're even comparing Jedi to him, shows we've already won 😂

In any case, unless you have an example of someone with zero superhuman speed hitting Sidious or Yoda, your point is trolling. As usual! LMAO

Oh and the fanboy's in denial! Obviously because he knows his case is over!

Here let me point out the exact points for you, as you're clearly in denial about the utter embarrassment you're facing right now:

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@ 0:40 she's completely frozen. Literally can't even move an inch.

@ 0:43 Yoda's lets her go and casually tosses her aside.

@0:48 She gets back up in an offensive position. This while Yoda's chatting away to Dooku's hologram very casual and very half assed just chatting away.

@ 0:55 Before she can even move an INCH towards Yoda, Yoda takes her weapons away from her. IN fact she was such a NON-THREAT, that he even gave her weapons back to her @ 1:02

^ Yoda was completely TOYED with her the whole time you TROLL.

Only a fool would try to make an argument against out of that video. But then I should expect as much as I am talking to a complete fool here.

No she couldn't even move an inch. The only reason she was even able to get up and point her weapons at Yoda was because Yoda clearly ALLOWED IT.

You're such a fool. The Joke of KMC strikes again LMAO

Khan would rape who? Sidious? Yoda?

I think we all know who the fanboy is here LOL

Wait who said Cad Bane doesn't move faster than a human?

If nothing else he flies. Khan doesn't. He has lots of built in weapons to surprise his opponents. Khan doesn't. He's the top Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy. Khan isn't.

Cad Bane is far beyond anyone Khan has ever beaten. Heck he has plenty of advantages over Khan himself!

Well good job I'm not using Sidious defeating Windu as an argument here then isn't it?

Whilst your main and biggest feat of Khan began with a Massive a cheap shot. And even after he had aid from Kirk and Spock 😆

You really have no idea how to debate do you. You're a Master Troller though. I'll give you that.

Huh? Nah that's you all over.

Oh the Irony! If this is a Palpatine thread, why are you using Palpatine shooting Yoda twice as an argument.

That only proves Palpatine is fast enough to shoot the guy who can instantly freeze Khan 😆

You just love getting smacked around, it's just too funny.

Khan was out for the kill. Obi wasn't. Those the the true undeniable facts, and Context.

Obi in a low showing got beat by a superhuman bounty hunter. And that's his Low Shwing! He's casually kicked Cad's butt the next time they fought.

Whilst Spock gave Khan hell! And then Khan got beat by Uhura with a stun gun 😆

Evidence? Evidence you say?

This makes it clear Khan is well out of his league:

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^ The speed feats, the overall feat, the scope of what Yoda does there. All completely beyond Khan.

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^ And this proves either Yoda or Palpatine can instantly freeze Khan and make him choke and cry without a fight even taking place 😆

Whilst your best evidence is cheapshotting a bunch of featless noobs.

Proving undeniably that this is the biggest Non-Fight being argued right now on KMC

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Stop embarrassing yourself with your fanboyism 😆

I am showing you an example of someone with super speed. Continue to be the lunatic fanboy I know you to be, nerd.

I have already showed you a warned attack that took TWO SECONDS TO EXECUTE. You refusing to acknowledge this fact proves you're the fanboy I have always claimed you to be. I always back my claims unlike you.

She already has time to move prior to. Yoda isn't reacting before she can move and this took seconds. You're ignoring what she did prior to. She doesn't use a gun so she had to physically close the distance and take out an older and superior Jedi to her. I've already cited examples of Yoda himself being in harms way for three seconds and being ko'd by a warned two second attack.

Yoda toyed with her due to the reasons I have already stated. Yoda has the same abilities only at a much higher level thus making the example completely moot to Khan since he doesn't need to close the distance physically. 😉

Continue to cite irrelevant examples and make a complete dunce out of yourself. I enjoy it highly.

He rapes both due to his feats, accuracy, weaponry, and skill. You can't change the facts.

First off you're making a broad generalization about humans which wasn't my point. Khan is superhuman so why is this even relevant ? Bane doesn't have super speed yet he clearly beats Obi due to being quicker than he was. That totally dispels your entire Jedi and sith move at super speed. None of that detracts from my point. I didn't use this example to show they have the same abilities I used this example to dispel your super speed claim. Mission accomplished.

Khan rapes Cad bane but that's another topic. Quit derailing, darth troll.

So you ignore a fact when palpatine loses. It's just like you to ignore the facts. This is why you're darth troll.

Khan used the element of surprise and attacked without restraint and to kill. That's always been a great point for Khan. That's how you attack in war. You do not give speeches like Palpatine did or allow your opponent to come to after you ko them. Horrific awful showing for Palaptine after havin a clear advantage.

Kirk and Spock were in awe of Khan. Kirk was aided by Khan after he was physically held in check. Watch the clip and quit citing ignorance. Khan won't say a word and Palpatine will be dead while Palpatine even tries to speak.

Irony.

It shows a two second attack was enough for Yoda. Only a moron warns his opponent, "Here it comes!" Two seconds.

Obi failed then. I am glad you agree there as Jango clearly left. Obi and cad are peers just like Jango is a peer. Khan had no peers in his film. Khan crash landed and was weaponless. Obi had his weapon and his force powers. He failed. Khan beat Spock despite his rage. Obi went down to Cad Bane despite two on one and he was armed. 🙂. Relevant.

That isn't beyond Khan and it isn't relevant to Khan. I've already proved the droids Yoda faced lacked coordination, accuracy, and the timing to nail him despite him being in their scope for 3 seconds.

In none of the feats you posted do they instantly freeze before anyone can react. They all speak and talk without action. You already conceded Khan will cheapshot but that just proves he will fire before any of the jedi or sith are ready. That's smart tactics. You don't wait in war till your opponent is ready. Every clip you have posted backs my claims here. In character even according to you Khan wins.