Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the same thing as a force push but post proof that it was a force wave. You said maul would have been successful so you doubt his abilities.

You gave your own reasoning but didn't cite any proof of the difference. You need to cite your source not just make shit up.

No, he is more skilled than Obi not Maul. Maul is also more skilled than Obi.

Sidious took on two inferior opponents so he didn't need help. Sheev needed help against Windu. Fact. I want you to say he fell down again on purpose so I can make your humiliation complete. His real time actions taking out the Jedi masters was pathetic and took multiple seconds. They were weak and died. Windu disarmed and horribly scarred Sheev who begged before him. Facts. 😂

Would you believe George Lucas if he said otherwise of the Windu/Sheev fight ?

😂

Force wave is just more powerful than a force push. It fits the description of a force wave. Also force pushes seem to happen instantly while this took time. So it defitmly wasn't a force push, force wave would be the next logical answer. No I didn't. I said he could have tried.

Yes I did. Compared the two using examples for, the TPM and TCW and descriptions made by wookipedia which also,received their knowledge form the movies and clone wars series. So this is all based off of facts and evidence.

Anakin is more skilled than both.

Maul is a renowned duelist so taking him down with ease is a good accomplishment along with the help of his brother and out dueling both is pretty impressive. Actually it's speculation. Sidious Could have killed windu before he was in that situation. 10 seconds is pretty fast in my book to take out 3 highly skilled Jedi masters. Well you haven't humiliated me at all so I don't know how you're going to make it complete. There is no official answer to this question so you can try.

Palps wins even easier than the poll suggests

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Force wave is just more powerful than a force push. It fits the description of a force wave. Also force pushes seem to happen instantly while this took time. So it defitmly wasn't a force push, force wave would be the next logical answer. No I didn't. I said he could have tried.

Yes I did. Compared the two using examples for, the TPM and TCW and descriptions made by wookipedia which also,received their knowledge form the movies and clone wars series. So this is all based off of facts and evidence.

Anakin is more skilled than both.

Maul is a renowned duelist so taking him down with ease is a good accomplishment along with the help of his brother and out dueling both is pretty impressive. Actually it's speculation. Sidious Could have killed windu before he was in that situation. 10 seconds is pretty fast in my book to take out 3 highly skilled Jedi masters. Well you haven't humiliated me at all so I don't know how you're going to make it complete. There is no official answer to this question so you can try.

Where's your link then ?

Skilled in what manner ?

Sidious is greater than Maul and Opress was always well below Dooku level and even below Kenobi.

No, we see that it took multiple seconds to kill time the first one. M the first Jedi doesn't even get their saber up. 😂

Speculation. You saying he could kill an opponent he couldn't do so while in combat is being a sore loser.

Yes, there is. There always has been you just are unaware of it. You're a shitty, ignorant fanboy I have toyed with.

Palpatine wins easily.

Originally posted by playa1258
Palpatine wins easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All force pushes take time. You can't cite any sources so you're just making things up again.

Where's your link then ?

Skilled in what manner ?

Sidious is greater than Maul and Opress was always well below Dooku level and even below Kenobi.

No, we see that it took multiple seconds to kill time the first one. M the first Jedi doesn't even get their saber up. 😂

Speculation. You saying he could kill an opponent he couldn't do so while in combat is being a sore loser.

Yes, there is. There always has been you just are unaware of it. You're a shitty, ignorant fanboy I have toyed with.

Display a force push that takes as much time as a force wave or in fact any time. Yoda was a distance away so from Sidious yet his push hit instantly. Force waves are slower as seen by how Dooku was able to evade Anakins and Obi WANs force wave. You always say I make things up when I don't. I told you where I received my evidence from. The phantom menace movie and the episode of the clone wars.

https://youtu.be/3wBly2LYr64 there is a solid difference between that and this https://youtu.be/catXn4QAcll or this https://youtu.be/9DI8kkR9G0Q Re watch TPM also for two more examples by Qui gon who uses the force to,push a droid or two from a fair distance away.

As a swordsman and has greater potential in the force.

So I'm glad we agree the hierarchy goes Sidious>Dooku>maul. Obi wan would also be above maul or equal to,him. Savage is,the,weakest here.

All of the Jedi and their sabers up except Fisto whose forms stance is,different. Kolar and Tinn however had their sabers at the ready the moment they pulled them out. Re watch the clip. It took 10 seconds.

No it's called looking at the facts. The,facts say he could have killed windu if he wanted to. You saying it's not possible is you being stupid.

I've done research on this and there is no source or at least an official source to say which outcome is the true outcome. I have however found a wookipedia source that says Sidious threw the fight however I don't use it. I have even found a source that says that there is no official source. If you have found it share it,with all of us. However you don't if you did we all would.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Display a force push that takes as much time as a force wave or in fact any time. Yoda was a distance away so from Sidious yet his push hit instantly. Force waves are slower as seen by how Dooku was able to evade Anakins and Obi WANs force wave. You always say I make things up when I don't. I told you where I received my evidence from. The phantom menace movie and the episode of the clone wars.

https://youtu.be/3wBly2LYr64 there is a solid difference between that and this https://youtu.be/catXn4QAcll or this https://youtu.be/9DI8kkR9G0Q Re watch TPM also for two more examples by Qui gon who uses the force to,push a droid or two from a fair distance away.

As a swordsman and has greater potential in the force.

So I'm glad we agree the hierarchy goes Sidious>Dooku>maul. Obi wan would also be above maul or equal to,him. Savage is,the,weakest here.

All of the Jedi and their sabers up except Fisto whose forms stance is,different. Kolar and Tinn however had their sabers at the ready the moment they pulled them out. Re watch the clip. It took 10 seconds.

No it's called looking at the facts. The,facts say he could have killed windu if he wanted to. You saying it's not possible is you being stupid.

I've done research on this and there is no source or at least an official source to say which outcome is the true outcome. I have however found a wookipedia source that says Sidious threw the fight however I don't use it. I have even found a source that says that there is no official source. If you have found it share it,with all of us. However you don't if you did we all would.

I disagree as a swordsman and his force abilities won't be the difference since he's much weaker than Sidious.

No, Maul is right under Sheev as his rival. Kenobi has always been inferior to maul, delusional boy.

Some of the Jedi didn't even defend themselves. That's poor as his first movements took multiple seconds. They are awful and deserved to die. Opress didn't go down in one swipe, boy.

Lucas outright says and this proves you're dumb as well because you don't understand a simple scene. The fact you're unaware of Lucas saying this proves you're an ignorant, deluded fanboY who has always been wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, it isn't a force wave it's just a stronger force push. Imagine a quick jab or a powerful uppercut. Both require an opening to be effective to hit their target. Same common sense applies here.

I disagree as a swordsman and his force abilities won't be the difference since he's much weaker than Sidious.

No, Maul is right under Sheev as his rival. Kenobi has always been inferior to maul, delusional boy.

Some of the Jedi didn't even defend themselves. That's poor as his first movements took multiple seconds. They are awful and deserved to die. Opress didn't go down in one swipe, boy.

Lucas outright says and this proves you're dumb as well because you don't understand a simple scene. The fact you're unaware of Lucas saying this proves you're an ignorant, deluded fanboY who has always been wrong.

It appears you do not understand the force. A force weave is a force wave. Why would a stronger force push take time to hit Dooku when all other force pushes hit pretty instantly? GTFO.

Well whether you disagree is irrelevant as Anakin has been shown to be better and is said to be on Sidiosu level of skill. By that I mean same league, however if the two fight I believe Sidious would win.

Not in skill. A rival Sith faction. Maul couldn't compete with Sidious. If maul is right under Sidious than that means Dooku is an equal to Sidiosu and we all knew that is untrue. So knock maul down back to where he belongs. On level with kenobi.

They had their guards up. When they walked in they received their saber and then we see windu get ready showing thy could have gotten ready as their partner was. However it's not a bad showing as Sidious is incredibly fast able to kill them in 10 seconds.

Where does he say it? I've in fact found a source where Lucas has purposely not said anything. So when has Lucas ever said that. Provide proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once said you couldn't use the feats from the novels. I said we already enough enough examples of how quickly and what he's capable of in the films, series. The novel feats which are just riddled with descriptive adjectives which don't cover the visual or real time aspect. They don't eliminate the clear portrayal of him on screen.

Palpatine's portrayal doesn't stack up despite his feats. Khan is on another level and his portrayal with the weaponry is on another level than a guy who couldn't beat one opponent with a laser sword in Windu.

We can see the ship visually and judge the width and the common sense approach they are durable as they are Klingon ships. We also can see the ships and ballpark it but we can't see the trees, etc. and tell how wide they are because it's just flowery language. We don't see anything visually. So don't you dare say it's the same thing, fanboy.

Windu's robes were burned. The same beast that disarmed Windu damaged Fett's jet pack thus it wasn't a fair fight since his equipment was damaged by someone other than Windu. Fett's flame thrower and blasters don't compare to the Boolean gun and the phaser rifle.

I compared the same variables. Humans and fleshy bodies when compared to the blasters and Boolean gun. You want to ignore that because it's obvious Khan's gun is far superior than the weak blasters used in the Star Wars universe.

My avatar is a feat. A few overcome Krik whereas he took out multiple Romulans. That's a feat, freak. He also disarmed Spock who has feats of decimating the Romulans, Kirk hand to hand, etc.

Hand to hand Spock would decimate Kenobi. The Romulans, Vulcans, Augments are flat out superior to the races in Star Wars physically on average.

Khan wins.

The trees however are given a definitive height of 70 meters, have roots that r so wide they're as tall as vader, (and we know how tall vader is, so another exact measurement), and the blast turned them to splinters, a pretty darn descriptive word if ur not a moron. Yet u dismiss that as flowery language instead of using common sense to extrapolate that they were big ass trees. While at the same time ur ballparking durability based off seeing its width and it being a klingon ship which have no durability feats of their own. Thats some ass backwards logic if I've ever seen any.

Lol im not even sure what ur point is with windu, ur the one that brought him up, now ur dismissing the fight.

Romulans are just as featless as klingons. Until any of them do anything impressive, beating them is worthless.

Its almost as if u know khans out matched, and r trying to inflate his feats while at the same time downplaying and dismissing uis opponents.

It would be more annoying if i haven't, for the past week, been treating u like i treat my dick. And by that i mean beating u both daily.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It appears you do not understand the force. A force weave is a force wave. Why would a stronger force push take time to hit Dooku when all other force pushes hit pretty instantly? GTFO.

Well whether you disagree is irrelevant as Anakin has been shown to be better and is said to be on Sidiosu level of skill. By that I mean same league, however if the two fight I believe Sidious would win.

Not in skill. A rival Sith faction. Maul couldn't compete with Sidious. If maul is right under Sidious than that means Dooku is an equal to Sidiosu and we all knew that is untrue. So knock maul down back to where he belongs. On level with kenobi.

They had their guards up. When they walked in they received their saber and then we see windu get ready showing thy could have gotten ready as their partner was. However it's not a bad showing as Sidious is incredibly fast able to kill them in 10 seconds.

Where does he say it? I've in fact found a source where Lucas has purposely not said anything. So when has Lucas ever said that. Provide proof.

So you believe Siduius wins as well thus proving nothing.

Yes, he could compete he just didn't win. Maul losing to Sidious is far better than Anakin losing to Kenobi. 😂

No, the one didn't even raise his saber or defend himself. They looked awful and you claim they are great warriors. They lasted far less than Opress.

First admit you will agree to take Lucas' word for it and quit being a deluded fanboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because they are using more power like a more powerful punch. Weaker punches take less time but lack the power of an uppercut. How don't you grasp it ?

So you believe Siduius wins as well thus proving nothing.

Yes, he could compete he just didn't win. Maul losing to Sidious is far better than Anakin losing to Kenobi. 😂

No, the one didn't even raise his saber or defend himself. They looked awful and you claim they are great warriors. They lasted far less than Opress.

First admit you will agree to take Lucas' word for it and quit being a deluded fanboy.

How don't you grasp it. If you did you would then know it was a force wave not a force push. Force waves take out multiple enemies/armies while pushes take out 2 or at max 3 however I have only seen 2.

Anakin being in Sidiosu league is better than maul who is not.

He can't really compete. When Sidious went with full power he was quickly disarmed and defeated. Even with Sidious toying around with him he still couldn't compete.

When they first pull their blades out Agen and kolar have their blades crossed at a guard position. Sidiosu took them more seriously as they are Jedi masters and he hates Jedi. Oppress lasted longer because Sidious,allowed it. Dummy.

Send the video and you will have my response.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How don't you grasp it. If you did you would then know it was a force wave not a force push. Force waves take out multiple enemies/armies while pushes take out 2 or at max 3 however I have only seen 2.

Anakin being in Sidiosu league is better than maul who is not.

He can't really compete. When Sidious went with full power he was quickly disarmed and defeated. Even with Sidious toying around with him he still couldn't compete.

When they first pull their blades out Agen and kolar have their blades crossed at a guard position. Sidiosu took them more seriously as they are Jedi masters and he hates Jedi. Oppress lasted longer because Sidious,allowed it. Dummy.

Send the video and you will have my response.

Sidious called hijacked. Rival which means he's in his league.

Sidious fought for minutes and you can't just say hey if we just look at the end. We look at the total fight you cherry picking inbred.

Speculation. He took them out easier because they were shit. Speculation.

You respond now. I like you not knowing and spouting he threw the fight. I love your ignorance. It makes me pity you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it then. Krell iirc took out more than three with a quick force push. You also haven't proved it just speculated.

Sidious called hijacked. Rival which means he's in his league.

Sidious fought for minutes and you can't just say hey if we just look at the end. We look at the total fight you cherry picking inbred.

Speculation. He took them out easier because they were shit. Speculation.

You respond now. I like you not knowing and spouting he threw the fight. I love your ignorance. It makes me pity you.

Considering he has four arms and at max we have seen it take out 2 opponents at once with just a simple one handed force pushes math,attic ally speaking he would be capable of taking 8 out at once due to having 4 arms. Ive given you the proof. Yoda was about 3-5 ft away from Sidious yet his force push hit instantly. Qui gon was more than 10ft away from droids in the hanger yet his force push hit one or two instantly. Anakin and yoda both use the force together and it takes time. Why would it all of a sudden take time if it's force push? That's because it's a force wave which is really the next level up from force push. So two examples and both show the difference between force push and force wave.

He was toying around with the brothers the whole time.

Actually it's not hard to believe. He knew mauls style and way he fought using his force powers inside and out due to being his master so he would no if he needed to take him seriously or not and he could also sense the growing power he had with his crime family empire and take over of mandalore, however these 4 particular Jedi masters he hadn't trained nor witnesses them training. All he knew was they were survivors of the clone wars and respected generals so why give them any time to gain any sort of advantage so kill of three and then leave the last for a plan of his.

No because I have done the research and I know that Lucas has not come with no official answer and he even says that he won't be revealing any answer and there are sources that confirm no official answer. So I know for a fact there is no official answer. GTFO.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Considering he has four arms and at max we have seen it take out 2 opponents at once with just a simple one handed force pushes math,attic ally speaking he would be capable of taking 8 out at once due to having 4 arms. Ive given you the proof. Yoda was about 3-5 ft away from Sidious yet his force push hit instantly. Qui gon was more than 10ft away from droids in the hanger yet his force push hit one or two instantly. Anakin and yoda both use the force together and it takes time. Why would it all of a sudden take time if it's force push? That's because it's a force wave which is really the next level up from force push. So two examples and both show the difference between force push and force wave.

He was toying around with the brothers the whole time.

Actually it's not hard to believe. He knew mauls style and way he fought using his force powers inside and out due to being his master so he would no if he needed to take him seriously or not and he could also sense the growing power he had with his crime family empire and take over of mandalore, however these 4 particular Jedi masters he hadn't trained nor witnesses them training. All he knew was they were survivors of the clone wars and respected generals so why give them any time to gain any sort of advantage so kill of three and then leave the last for a plan of his.

No because I have done the research and I know that Lucas has not come with no official answer and he even says that he won't be revealing any answer and there are sources that confirm no official answer. So I know for a fact there is no official answer. GTFO.

It didn't hit instantly. It took time for yoda to move his hand in his direction. You have to quantify it dummy. Khan fires and it comes out instantly by your ridiculous double standards.

No, he wasn't. It took him a lot of time to defeat them. Fact.

Speculation.

So you're unaware of it and quite ignorant, it figures you never were a smart Star Wars fan. You're just the dumb fanatical type.

Khan dies.

Originally posted by Stigma
Khan dies.

Khan loses tbh.

Originally posted by Stigma
Khan loses tbh.

Palpatine one shots.

Originally posted by playa1258
Palpatine one shots.