Originally posted by StealthRangerHow big and thick were the trees ? See that's called an incomplete feat due to lack of visuals and information.
Ah yes, classic literature tactic"I don't like what it says so it must be hyperbole"
Sorry, but no, if it said that the lasers caused explosions that reduced trees to splinters and Palpaatine happened to deflect them, then that's what happened
Evidence>your bullshit
We don't know the size of the blasts. Taking out Klingon ships is greater than no visuals, flowery language and unknown variables.
Originally posted by quanchi112well one shot was powerful enough to completely vaporize an armored soldier save for his helmet. I didnt see any of khans do that.
How big and thick were the trees ? See that's called an incomplete feat due to lack of visuals and information.We don't know the size of the blasts. Taking out Klingon ships is greater than no visuals, flowery language and unknown variables.
As for how many blasts at once, there were mounted cannons firing from the top and bottom of both ships.
As for the trees. Lol Kemp actually wrote a paragraph describing the trees that were around them where the freighters attacked. I hope this helps visually complete the feat for u.
"Dried leaves and fallen limbs covered the soft loam of the forest floor. Trees with smooth barked trunks rose seventy meters toward the sky, blotting out the last of the days light. The partially exposed root systems were so large they formed knotted tangles of twisted wood as tall as Vader."
Honestly quan it would probably help if u had some knowledge of the material before u tried debating it. It would help u look less foolish and biased and would save me the time of having to educate u.
Originally posted by Raptor22Khan's blasts incinerated whatever the width of the blast hit. Again we don't see anything which is my point about novel feats.
well one shot was powerful enough to completely vaporize an armored soldier save for his helmet. I didnt see any of khans do that.As for how many blasts at once, there were mounted cannons firing from the top and bottom of both ships.
As for the trees. Lol Kemp actually wrote a paragraph describing the trees that were around them where the freighters attacked. I hope this helps visually complete the feat for u.
"Dried leaves and fallen limbs covered the soft loam of the forest floor. Trees with smooth barked trunks rose seventy meters toward the sky, blotting out the last of the days light. The partially exposed root systems were so large they formed knotted tangles of twisted wood as tall as Vader."
Honestly quan it would probably help if u had some knowledge of the material before u tried debating it. It would help u look less foolish and biased and would save me the time of having to educate u.
So we don't know and can't see it visually. 😂
I never claimed to have read the books. So we don't know how wide the trees are but we do know their height. We also don't know what splinters actually refers to as to the actual size.
You're the one throwing out book feats here which is another desperate act considering he's been in multiple films, a clone wars series, etc. anyone who starts quoting flowery hyperbolic book feats really has no faith given the amount of real time feats we already can see.
Khan wins. Klingons ships>>>trees. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112for a guy thats always going on about how u consider all cannon feats ur quite dismissive of feats from novels. U throw out the fact that hes been in multiple films and a cartoon series but u fail to realize how limited his combat exposure was in them. Id be willing to bet he has as many feats in the novel as he does in the movies or show, maybe both combined. Lol at using them as being desperate. The desperation comes from u trying to dismiss/lowball feats that far surpass what poor khan brings to the table.
Khan's blasts incinerated whatever the width of the blast hit. Again we don't see anything which is my point about novel feats.So we don't know and can't see it visually. 😂
I never claimed to have read the books. So we don't know how wide the trees are but we do know their height. We also don't know what splinters actually refers to as to the actual size.
You're the one throwing out book feats here which is another desperate act considering he's been in multiple films, a clone wars series, etc. anyone who starts quoting flowery hyperbolic book feats really has no faith given the amount of real time feats we already can see.
Khan wins. Klingons ships>>>trees. 😂
Just so we can make an accurate comparison could u provide a durability feat or two for the klingon ships that khan shot down. Or maybe some insight as to the material the ships r made of so we can judge the force/firepower needed to bring one down. Until proven otherwise im just going to assume their ships r made of paper mache and can be taken out with a sling shot.
Originally posted by Raptor22First off it's canon not cannon you inbred. You say he hasn't seen much combat exposure to a guy who's been in a few action scenes in one film. 😂
for a guy thats always going on about how u consider all cannon feats ur quite dismissive of feats from novels. U throw out the fact that hes been in multiple films and a cartoon series but u fail to realize how limited his combat exposure was in them. Id be willing to bet he has as many feats in the novel as he does in the movies or show, maybe both combined. Lol at using them as being desperate. The desperation comes from u trying to dismiss/lowball feats that far surpass what poor khan brings to the table.Just so we can make an accurate comparison could u provide a durability feat or two for the klingon ships that khan shot down. Or maybe some insight as to the material the ships r made of so we can judge the force/firepower needed to bring one down. Until proven otherwise im just going to assume their ships r made of paper mache and can be taken out with a sling shot.
What you fail to grasp is we have seen enough of how Sidious and his superior Windu stack up against gun wielding badasses. I do not lowball anything that's a term a fanboy came up with to dismiss facts they don't like. They are incomplete in the sense we don't see them visually and in real time.
You would assume as much because you're a deluded fanboy. Let's look at something we can directly compare. Blaster fire and what it does to the human body compared to the Boolean gun. 😂
Khan wins. His portrayal is on another level. In Star Wars we have sheev's superior Windu and company outgunned by droids. They were pinned in against some of the weakest foes I can ever recall. Khan decimated a Klingon squad with relative ease singlehandedly according to Kirk.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
But he isn't any better with his force powers than sidious so he'd lose that exchange.He lacked skill pulling off the maneuver.
Your ignorance and your lack of Star Wars comprehension will be mocked by me.
It isn't anywhere near as impressive as the decimation of the Klingons.
so you concede he still could have tried.
No he didn't. He lacked the tactical position.
😂 My knowledge of Star Wars is greater than yours as I have a better comprehension of all 6 films and the Expanded Universe. So laugh at your superior I don't think so. You should learn form your superior.
This topic is about palpatine being a political genius and being smarter than khan which you didn't refute showing you agree.
Lol ur the one saying palpatine has 6 movies and TCW to draw feats from, and because of that i shouldnt use feats from the novel. when in fact he only has a few action scenes in one movie and a couple of episodes. Just because palpatine has more exposure in the novels and comics, and khan doesn't, doesn't mean im going to handicap palpatine just because khan doesn't stack up.
So what ur saying is that u have no durability feats for the klingon ships, have no idea what they're made of, and have no clue as to how much power/force it takes to bring one down. Making it an incomplete feat and thus invalid by ur standards.
Really, we've seen sidious stack up against gun wielding bad guys? Which ones would those be? We did see how Windu did tho. He decapitated fett in short order with ease. U low ball everything then when its used against u, u try and move the goal post or change the subject. Just like with the klingon ships durability. U constantly use the feat, yet when questioned on it, u flat out ignore it and and change it to what the gun does to humans. Its a tired old tactic used by a tired old debater. Id say ur better than that, but sadly i dont think u r.
Khans only faced featless mooks, and paper mache ships. The poor guys out of his league.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2normally i agree, but my posts r directed soley at quan who has explicitly stated multiple times that he considers everything cannon under disney to be fair game. If u noticed he hasn't disputed their validity to be argued here, he's just lowballed them based off them being in a novel and argued their lack of validity based off of a lack of visual evidence. Like him arguing we cant tell how powerful the turbolasers are that turned 70 meter tall trees with roots as big as vader into splinters because we dont know how thick the trees r, or what kemp meant by splinters. And implied that burning a hole thru someone with a shot is as impressive as completely vaporizing a person with a blast.
Dude as much as I hate Quan and his stupidity he is right. It's movies only here and palpatine is allowed his movie and TCW feats. That's it for this thread. Quan is afraid to go over into the Star Wars versu forum because he knows novels comics everything is open then.
If u read our exchanges in the kenobi vs khan thread in the movie vs section hes argued over and over that TCW are admissible because they're cannon to the movies under disney and he considers everything cannon fair game. Even though it was not only in the movie vs section but the thread starter specified movie feats only.
I guess he realized how blatantly obvious his hypocrisy would be if he tried to agrue against them being used here and has chose instead to try to lowball and discredit them.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2No, you can't say maybe this or that we just go by the facts.
so you concede he still could have tried.No he didn't. He lacked the tactical position.
😂 My knowledge of Star Wars is greater than yours as I have a better comprehension of all 6 films and the Expanded Universe. So laugh at your superior I don't think so. You should learn form your superior.
This topic is about palpatine being a political genius and being smarter than khan which you didn't refute showing you agree.
False.
No, since you failed to grasp that sheev lost straight up.
Khan is more tactical and I never said he was a political genius. Khan is more manipulative and more resourceful than Sheev who needed to hide in the shadows to really pull anything off.
Originally posted by Raptor22I never once said you couldn't use the feats from the novels. I said we already enough enough examples of how quickly and what he's capable of in the films, series. The novel feats which are just riddled with descriptive adjectives which don't cover the visual or real time aspect. They don't eliminate the clear portrayal of him on screen.
Lol ur the one saying palpatine has 6 movies and TCW to draw feats from, and because of that i shouldnt use feats from the novel. when in fact he only has a few action scenes in one movie and a couple of episodes. Just because palpatine has more exposure in the novels and comics, and khan doesn't, doesn't mean im going to handicap palpatine just because khan doesn't stack up.So what ur saying is that u have no durability feats for the klingon ships, have no idea what they're made of, and have no clue as to how much power/force it takes to bring one down. Making it an incomplete feat and thus invalid by ur standards.
Really, we've seen sidious stack up against gun wielding bad guys? Which ones would those be? We did see how Windu did tho. He decapitated fett in short order with ease. U low ball everything then when its used against u, u try and move the goal post or change the subject. Just like with the klingon ships durability. U constantly use the feat, yet when questioned on it, u flat out ignore it and and change it to what the gun does to humans. Its a tired old tactic used by a tired old debater. Id say ur better than that, but sadly i dont think u r.
Khans only faced featless mooks, and paper mache ships. The poor guys out of his league.
Palpatine's portrayal doesn't stack up despite his feats. Khan is on another level and his portrayal with the weaponry is on another level than a guy who couldn't beat one opponent with a laser sword in Windu.
We can see the ship visually and judge the width and the common sense approach they are durable as they are Klingon ships. We also can see the ships and ballpark it but we can't see the trees, etc. and tell how wide they are because it's just flowery language. We don't see anything visually. So don't you dare say it's the same thing, fanboy.
Windu's robes were burned. The same beast that disarmed Windu damaged Fett's jet pack thus it wasn't a fair fight since his equipment was damaged by someone other than Windu. Fett's flame thrower and blasters don't compare to the Boolean gun and the phaser rifle.
I compared the same variables. Humans and fleshy bodies when compared to the blasters and Boolean gun. You want to ignore that because it's obvious Khan's gun is far superior than the weak blasters used in the Star Wars universe.
My avatar is a feat. A few overcome Krik whereas he took out multiple Romulans. That's a feat, freak. He also disarmed Spock who has feats of decimating the Romulans, Kirk hand to hand, etc.
Hand to hand Spock would decimate Kenobi. The Romulans, Vulcans, Augments are flat out superior to the races in Star Wars physically on average.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you can't say maybe this or that we just go by the facts.False.
No, since you failed to grasp that sheev lost straight up.
Khan is more tactical and I never said he was a political genius. Khan is more manipulative and more resourceful than Sheev who needed to hide in the shadows to really pull anything off.
So you concede that as it's factual he could have tried.
Well you can't prove otherwise.
Considering its a very widely agreed upon deal and can be factually proven believing in it isn't a bad ing or show lack of knowledge.
Considering the circumstances at the time of course he would need to be in the shadows. Overall I can understand d Khan being very intelligent and tactical however Sidious is also very intelligent and has the better powers/abilities.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2No, you're an idiot. Argue based on what happens not other possibilities.
So you concede that as it's factual he could have tried.Well you can't prove otherwise.
Considering its a very widely agreed upon deal and can be factually proven believing in it isn't a bad ing or show lack of knowledge.
Considering the circumstances at the time of course he would need to be in the shadows. Overall I can understand d Khan being very intelligent and tactical however Sidious is also very intelligent and has the better powers/abilities.
I can't prove what ?
What ?
Khan designed far superior weapons and was one man against the starfleet while Sheev is a cowardly guy being two faced like a woman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you're an idiot. Argue based on what happens not other possibilities.I can't prove what ?
What ?
Khan designed far superior weapons and was one man against the starfleet while Sheev is a cowardly guy being two faced like a woman.
Well what happened was he had the opportunity to use a force push. So it seems like you are the idiot. Not a big suprise. 😆
You can't prove that Anakin lost due to skill. I've provided evidence that shows he lost due to a tactical disadvantage. The stunt coordinator who,Lucas agreed with said that Anakin is superior to Obi wan.
So stupid you are.
Designing weapons doesn't prove he's smarter. He designed weapons due to him not having any sort of mystic related powers. Sheev under circumstance adapted to his situations whenever he had to,or,didn't have a plan.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Speculation. We see Dooku avoid a force push in the clone wars series thus proving you have to have an opening.
Well what happened was he had the opportunity to use a force push. So it seems like you are the idiot. Not a big suprise. 😆You can't prove that Anakin lost due to skill. I've provided evidence that shows he lost due to a tactical disadvantage. The stunt coordinator who,Lucas agreed with said that Anakin is superior to Obi wan.
So stupid you are.
Designing weapons doesn't prove he's smarter. He designed weapons due to him not having any sort of mystic related powers. Sheev under circumstance adapted to his situations whenever he had to,or,didn't have a plan.
Yes, he got cleaved due to inferior skill. Both.
Irony.
Yes, designing badass weapons does prove intelligence. So did Khan. Admiral Marcus came to him due to his savagery and intelligence. Khan would eradicate Sheev who relies too much on the force.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. We see Dooku avoid a force push in the clone wars series thus proving you have to have an opening.Yes, he got cleaved due to inferior skill. Both.
Irony.
Yes, designing badass weapons does prove intelligence. So did Khan. Admiral Marcus came to him due to his savagery and intelligence. Khan would eradicate Sheev who relies too much on the force.
Well actually that was more a force wave than a push. How does that prove that maul didn't have a chance? Sidious was putting away his lightsaber giving him an opening. Also,Dooku was at a distance and force waves are slower than force pushes thus giving Dooku the time to,dodge.
If Anakin is stated to be better than that means he's better. End of story.
I didn't say khan isn't brilliant because he is. Palpatine using the force is,what will be Khans downfall.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2We see that with a force push you can avoid it so timing is crucial. If the force push was an automatic gimme we'd see it a lot more often. You assume it works because you doubt Sheev's ability. I don't.
Well actually that was more a force wave than a push. How does that prove that maul didn't have a chance? Sidious was putting away his lightsaber giving him an opening. Also,Dooku was at a distance and force waves are slower than force pushes thus giving Dooku the time to,dodge.If Anakin is stated to be better than that means he's better. End of story.
I didn't say khan isn't brilliant because he is. Palpatine using the force is,what will be Khans downfall.
Maul was disarmed. Prove force waves are slower and prove the difference. Cite something.
Being more skilled doesn't mean you always win especially when you're prone to jackass mistakes.
No, Khan is far greater and went up against far more than Sheev who always had numbers, the backing of the public, and the senators through careful manipulation. Khan is a one man force while Sheev had to beg another man to save him from Windu's wrath.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
We see that with a force push you can avoid it so timing is crucial. If the force push was an automatic gimme we'd see it a lot more often. You assume it works because you doubt Sheev's ability. I don't.Maul was disarmed. Prove force waves are slower and prove the difference. Cite something.
Being more skilled doesn't mean you always win especially when you're prone to jackass mistakes.
No, Khan is far greater and went up against far more than Sheev who always had numbers, the backing of the public, and the senators through careful manipulation. Khan is a one man force while Sheev had to beg another man to save him from Windu's wrath.
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Like I said that is most likely a force wave as it was used to attack both the Jedi and the multiple targets behind them. I don't doubt Sidious' abilities at all. That's why I'm 200% confident that Sidious will wipe the floor with this fool.
Force waves are normally used to combat a large number of opponents as seen in many examples. When Anakin and Obi wan used it against Dooku they both used both hands in a sort of wave motion that was took out the entire side of pike troops. Compare this to a time in TPM when qui gon Jin used a force push on two battle droids and it hit them instantly, once in the palace courtyard and another in the hanger. He was at a farther distance in the hanger and only took out 1-2 battle droids. Now based on that force waves are described as being more powerful than force pushes as they take out multiple opponents. The force wave used by Anakin and Obi wan took out multiple opponents while the force push used by qui gon took out at max two battle droids however I believe it was one however he is capable of hitting two at one time. With that the two instances show a difference in timing, with the force wave taking time and with the force push taking hardly any.
So now we both agree Anakin is more skilled than maul. With that he wins due to this battle being on neutral ground so if the battle were prolonged like Anakins and Obi wand maul would lose due to Anakins greater skill.
Both were placed in different circumstances so you can't say who is greater due to both being in different circumstances. Did maul have the backing of the public or senators when he killed savage and took down your hero DARTH MAUL!!!, did he have the backing of anyone when he went toe to toe with yoda, did he have the backing of anyone when he killed 3 highly skilled Jedi masters in 10seconds. He could have killed windu anytime before that as proven by evidence.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It is the same thing as a force push but post proof that it was a force wave. You said maul would have been successful so you doubt his abilities.
Like I said that is most likely a force wave as it was used to attack both the Jedi and the multiple targets behind them. I don't doubt Sidious' abilities at all. That's why I'm 200% confident that Sidious will wipe the floor with this fool.Force waves are normally used to combat a large number of opponents as seen in many examples. When Anakin and Obi wan used it against Dooku they both used both hands in a sort of wave motion that was took out the entire side of pike troops. Compare this to a time in TPM when qui gon Jin used a force push on two battle droids and it hit them instantly, once in the palace courtyard and another in the hanger. He was at a farther distance in the hanger and only took out 1-2 battle droids. Now based on that force waves are described as being more powerful than force pushes as they take out multiple opponents. The force wave used by Anakin and Obi wan took out multiple opponents while the force push used by qui gon took out at max two battle droids however I believe it was one however he is capable of hitting two at one time. With that the two instances show a difference in timing, with the force wave taking time and with the force push taking hardly any.
So now we both agree Anakin is more skilled than maul. With that he wins due to this battle being on neutral ground so if the battle were prolonged like Anakins and Obi wand maul would lose due to Anakins greater skill.
Both were placed in different circumstances so you can't say who is greater due to both being in different circumstances. Did maul have the backing of the public or senators when he killed savage and took down your hero DARTH MAUL!!!, did he have the backing of anyone when he went toe to toe with yoda, did he have the backing of anyone when he killed 3 highly skilled Jedi masters in 10seconds. He could have killed windu anytime before that as proven by evidence.
You gave your own reasoning but didn't cite any proof of the difference. You need to cite your source not just make shit up.
No, he is more skilled than Obi not Maul. Maul is also more skilled than Obi.
Sidious took on two inferior opponents so he didn't need help. Sheev needed help against Windu. Fact. I want you to say he fell down again on purpose so I can make your humiliation complete. His real time actions taking out the Jedi masters was pathetic and took multiple seconds. They were weak and died. Windu disarmed and horribly scarred Sheev who begged before him. Facts. 😂
Would you believe George Lucas if he said otherwise of the Windu/Sheev fight ?
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