Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Palpatine having lightsabers is completely irrelevant to this point. I'm proving that just because you don't have weapons that doesn't mean you are defeated. Maul still had the force and his hands and feet so he can still fight.

He still had the force as seen by palpatine using force lightning on the mace and how he threw mace out of a window with it.

He has to get to Sheev first. Sheev is to fast and has precog. Also his overconfidence won't necessarily if at all give Khan the win. Sheev has to much power that Khan can't handle.

After Anakin cut his arm off because he needed saving he downed an armless and weapon less foe. Anakin saved his cowardly life.

Nah, Sheev isn't that fast and his blitz against the Jedi masters took multiple seconds. It was slow and Khan definitely guns him down as his feats are far superior.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Palpatine stomps with ease

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Palps wins even easier than the poll suggests

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. One guy being armed against someone who isn't armed is a clear advantage. Maul was lesser skilled in the force so it isn't an advantage for Maul.

After Anakin cut his arm off because he needed saving he downed an armless and weapon less foe. Anakin saved his cowardly life.

Nah, Sheev isn't that fast and his blitz against the Jedi masters took multiple seconds. It was slow and Khan definitely guns him down as his feats are far superior.

Advantage but not a win. So just because he doesn't have the advantage doesn't mean he can't win. He still condo have attempted to use the force to stagger Sidious while he was putting his saber up and attempt to escape or use the force to punch blitz than punch or some other type of force power.

Oh well who got thrown out the window? Sidious as based off of evidence could have killed mace earlier on in the fight if he wanted to. Sidious didn't need saving. Windu did though.

Sheev is amazingly fast. The only other person who could match his speed as per rots are yoda and a 100% amped windu. He killed 3 Jedi masters in 10 seconds. Very impressive. Again khan has to catch him first and Sidious is to fast and to powerful. Also what is khan going to do once Sidious disarms him of his weapons?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan wins, loser sock.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Advantage but not a win. So just because he doesn't have the advantage doesn't mean he can't win. He still condo have attempted to use the force to stagger Sidious while he was putting his saber up and attempt to escape or use the force to punch blitz than punch or some other type of force power.

Oh well who got thrown out the window? Sidious as based off of evidence could have killed mace earlier on in the fight if he wanted to. Sidious didn't need saving. Windu did though.

Sheev is amazingly fast. The only other person who could match his speed as per rots are yoda and a 100% amped windu. He killed 3 Jedi masters in 10 seconds. Very impressive. Again khan has to catch him first and Sidious is to fast and to powerful. Also what is khan going to do once Sidious disarms him of his weapons?

Sheev was unable to do so himself so I agree he needed Anakin's help. One on one Windu prevailed.

Speculation. Windu was better since he win and Yoda wasn't fast enough. He lost. Khah doesn't have to catch him he has to shoot him. Easily accomplished.

Originally posted by Raptor22
palpatine doesnt even need feats from the movies or TCW. His feats from Lords of the Sith, (which according to u is fair game since its cannon to the movies under disneys new cannon policy) is more than enough to make this a stomp for the old man.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul had no advantages and Sidious is greater than Maul in every category. So him being weapon less against Palpatine only makes it worse.

Sheev was unable to do so himself so I agree he needed Anakin's help. One on one Windu prevailed.

Speculation. Windu was better since he win and Yoda wasn't fast enough. He lost. Khah doesn't have to catch him he has to shoot him. Easily accomplished.

He still could have used the force in some way shape or form. Whether palpatine would have blocked it or not is not important as he could have still fought back.

He could have killed windu earlier in the duel as seen by the video thus he didn't need Anakins help.

How is it speculation when it's been shown on screen? Yoda was able to stalemate him and so was mace thus showing that only those two and one being under special circumstances could match his speed. The blast has to hit Sidious and that's not going to be easy. Sidious is to fast and has force precog and is to powerful.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He still could have used the force in some way shape or form. Whether palpatine would have blocked it or not is not important as he could have still fought back.

He could have killed windu earlier in the duel as seen by the video thus he didn't need Anakins help.

How is it speculation when it's been shown on screen? Yoda was able to stalemate him and so was mace thus showing that only those two and one being under special circumstances could match his speed. The blast has to hit Sidious and that's not going to be easy. Sidious is to fast and has force precog and is to powerful.

Dude, you're a jackass who can't prove it.

Yoda failed because he wasn't fast enough or in a good enough position. Windu won. He had Sheev at his mercy and begging for his worthless life.

Sheev isn't powerful. Khan's feats of power through his Boolean gun is far more impressive than Sheev's feats of power. Khan also physically crushed a man's skull with his bare hands. Sheev would want no part of Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A novel where we can't physically see what is occurring is less impressive considering we have seen him on screen in real world time. Based off his timing and feats from the films and the clone wars series it's easy to tell and gauge what he's capable of. It isn't enough against the augment known as Khan. He's simply too much for this weakling emperor.

No it's not.. the novel ACCURACTLY describes what they are capable of, and in even more descriptive terms that what we can visually see. It expands on stuff just visuals could never do. You seem to forget that real time in what we are watching doesn't mean that is how fast they are actually moving. As previously stated and proven, they slow down characters and scenes so they audience can see what is happening. So no, it isn't real time when we are talking about the Jedi and their abilities

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No it's not.. the novel ACCURACTLY describes what they are capable of, and in even more descriptive terms that what we can visually see. It expands on stuff just visuals could never do. You seem to forget that real time in what we are watching doesn't mean that is how fast they are actually moving. As previously stated and proven, they slow down characters and scenes so they audience can see what is happening. So no, it isn't real time when we are talking about the Jedi and their abilities

What from the novel is described with numbered time as in seconds or such.

No, they don't since non force users have been shown to be faster than the Jedi. Bane koing Kenobi.

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Movies are limited to mostly human stunts unless it's animation such as rag on ball z. That's why the only real big feat of speed we see in the movies is when jinn and kenobi run at like 100-200ft per second. Books give the bets depictions as they aren't limited to anything. They say it and that's how it works. Movies are limited while books aren't. Movies don't give you the best depiction unless it's only movies and no book adaptation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't anywhere near as good as Palaptine is in the force so it wouldn't get him the win. He lost his only chance when he was disarmed.

Dude, you're a jackass who can't prove it.

Yoda failed because he wasn't fast enough or in a good enough position. Windu won. He had Sheev at his mercy and begging for his worthless life.

Sheev isn't powerful. Khan's feats of power through his Boolean gun is far more impressive than Sheev's feats of power. Khan also physically crushed a man's skull with his bare hands. Sheev would want no part of Khan.

Palpatine being more powerful is irrelevant. That doesn't take away from the fact that he could have tried.

I've proven plenty against you. You just ignore facts and evidence so you sheild yourself from being more wrong than you already are.

Yoda failed due to and positioning. He was just as fast as Sidious as he was able to keep up with Sidious and pressure him. Sheev threw the fight as based off of evidence IMO.

Sheev is powerful. Wherever you get that from is a false statement. Sheev would put Khan to shame in any contest. Intelligence, physical augmentation, and power. Khan needs weapons to be powerful while Sidious has the force. Sheev would make it to where it looked like Khan never even existed.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Palpatine being more powerful is irrelevant. That doesn't take away from the fact that he could have tried.

I've proven plenty against you. You just ignore facts and evidence so you sheild yourself from being more wrong than you already are.

Yoda failed due to and positioning. He was just as fast as Sidious as he was able to keep up with Sidious and pressure him. Sheev threw the fight as based off of evidence IMO.

Sheev is powerful. Wherever you get that from is a false statement. Sheev would put Khan to shame in any contest. Intelligence, physical augmentation, and power. Khan needs weapons to be powerful while Sidious has the force. Sheev would make it to where it looked like Khan never even existed.

Irony.

Today had the entire fight to out himself in a more advantageous position but since he didn't that's on him.

Oh I have an ace up my hole on the fight. Your humiliation is going to be sweet on Sheev losing that fight.

False. Khan is smarter, has greater physical strength, and power. So ? Sheev needs the force and weapons whereas Khan has weapons as well. Khan doesn't need the force and as one man is a far mor formidable opponent than Sidious who hides behind others.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You already conceded he wasn't as powerful. Speculation.

Irony.

Today had the entire fight to out himself in a more advantageous position but since he didn't that's on him.

Oh I have an ace up my hole on the fight. Your humiliation is going to be sweet on Sheev losing that fight.

False. Khan is smarter, has greater physical strength, and power. So ? Sheev needs the force and weapons whereas Khan has weapons as well. Khan doesn't need the force and as one man is a far mor formidable opponent than Sidious who hides behind others.

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Irrelevant. Maul could have still used his force powers as when Sidious was putting his lightsaber away it gave maul an opening he could have tried to use

Doesn't shoe any lack of skill just tactical thinking. Even then kenobi didn't have that thought in the back of his head the whole time. He was a on his feet type of duelist.

Bring it.

Palpatine is political genius. He brought down an entire government and put himself in charge as the new emperor. He was a bel to deceive the Jedi some incredibly intelligent beings. Manipulated an entire war. Manipulated Dooku. Manipulated Anakin. Knew every secret of the dark side and much more. I'm not saying Khan isn't smart because he's brilliant. Palpatine definitly can defiantly augment himself to be physically stronger, faster, more durable and just overall physically better. Sheev wins with ease.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A novel where we can't physically see what is occurring is less impressive considering we have seen him on screen in real world time. Based off his timing and feats from the films and the clone wars series it's easy to tell and gauge what he's capable of. It isn't enough against the augment known as Khan. He's simply too much for this weakling emperor.

Cannons capable of-

"The freighters began firing from blaster cannons mounted on top and bottom of the ships, long red lines that exited the ship in superheated pulses. Trees one hundred meters from vader and the emperor exploded into splinters under the onslaught."

"The freighters opened fire, writing thick lines of plasma onto the air. The shots churned the ground, destroyed trees, heated the air of the clearing; one slammed into the chest of a royal guard and vaporized all of him save for his helmet."

"His master did the same with his lightsaber, the graceful arcs of its red line weaving a protective shield around him and turning the second ships shots back at it. Both ships tried to turn out of the way of the redirected shots, one turning hard left, the other hard right, but they only exposed their underbellies and engined to the deflected bolts."

I guess him hitting the ship with lightning after as it flies by and killing the crew inside isn't impressive either, neither is him ripping it out of the air and slamming it into the ground with tk.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Irrelevant. Maul could have still used his force powers as when Sidious was putting his lightsaber away it gave maul an opening he could have tried to use

Doesn't shoe any lack of skill just tactical thinking. Even then kenobi didn't have that thought in the back of his head the whole time. He was a on his feet type of duelist.

Bring it.

Palpatine is political genius. He brought down an entire government and put himself in charge as the new emperor. He was a bel to deceive the Jedi some incredibly intelligent beings. Manipulated an entire war. Manipulated Dooku. Manipulated Anakin. Knew every secret of the dark side and much more. I'm not saying Khan isn't smart because he's brilliant. Palpatine definitly can defiantly augment himself to be physically stronger, faster, more durable and just overall physically better. Sheev wins with ease.

He lacked skill pulling off the maneuver.

Your ignorance and your lack of Star Wars comprehension will be mocked by me.

It isn't anywhere near as impressive as the decimation of the Klingons.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so palpatine blocking turbo laser fire, from multiple cannons at once, from a large freighter is unimpressive because its in a novel?

Cannons capable of-

"The freighters began firing from blaster cannons mounted on top and bottom of the ships, long red lines that exited the ship in superheated pulses. Trees one hundred meters from vader and the emperor exploded into splinters under the onslaught."

"The freighters opened fire, writing thick lines of plasma onto the air. The shots churned the ground, destroyed trees, heated the air of the clearing; one slammed into the chest of a royal guard and vaporized all of him save for his helmet."

"His master did the same with his lightsaber, the graceful arcs of its red line weaving a protective shield around him and turning the second ships shots back at it. Both ships tried to turn out of the way of the redirected shots, one turning hard left, the other hard right, but they only exposed their underbellies and engined to the deflected bolts."

I guess him hitting the ship with lightning after as it flies by and killing the crew inside isn't impressive either, neither is him ripping it out of the air and slamming it into the ground with tk.

There are too many unknown variables. What size were the trees ? How wide were the blasts ? How many blasts were fired ? It's just flowery language. Not impressed. I've seen him in action plenty of times and I wouldn't get caught up with a descriptive book since we already have real time examples.

I'd need to see the feat on screen. I don't dispute that it is impressive but that doesn't make the feats he has on screen of his force lightning suddenly not exist. I've seen his force lightning a lot of times.

ITT: quanchi bawws about feats because he doesn't like them

Par for the course

Originally posted by StealthRanger
ITT: quanchi bawws about feats because he doesn't like them

Par for the course