Originally posted by realslimshady25
Ants a woman right? Becuase a while ago Ant's gender was female in his profile
No, you should check out the Sunrider thread btw, lovely confession about how he used to have a homosexual obsession with Neph, thinking Neph was a girl.
And no ant, don't delete it, I screenshotted it....
It's not going away.
Originally posted by DarthAnt661. My intention was never to educate you, you are beyond hope. My intention was to prevent others from being led astray into your quagmire of ignorance and stupidity.
Don't feel rushed trying to respond to this. I'll be gone for several hours after this post is published anyway.I thought I was going to be "educated" in this thread.
However, everything you wrote I already knew.
I'm confused on when my education starts...
Is there like a class or what? How much does it cost?
Well then you are already wrong. (: Tutaminis and Force Deflection is canonically a display of the user's "raw power.""Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyriss's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord."
―Star Wars: The Essential Readers CompanionWait. So you are telling me that your entire argument on why Yoda struggled is based off of Jensaarai?
Are you ****ing serious? He's a bigger disgrace to society then Miley Cyrus.
Yoda has performed insane telekentic/tutaminis attacks/defenses nearly instantly:Example 1: Yoda throws back a dozen+ droids with a mere gesture.
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Example 2: Yoda throws back a large amount of attacks nearly instantly to protect a Jedi.- - - - - -
Example 3: Yoda lifts up a large number of Droidekas instantly.- - - - - -
Example 4: Yoda moves the two huge ships with a short movement of his hands.- - - - - -
Example 5: Yoda and Palpatine both hurl senate pods at eachother with such speeds that they crash into one-another.
"...it came as the Force and the podium's controls ripped delegation pods free of the curving walls and made of them hammers, battering rams, catapult stones crashing and crushing against each other in a rolling thunder-roar that echoed the Senate's cheers for the galaxy's new Emperor."
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As you can see, to say Yoda requires ample time to gather his energy is the most bullshit excuse I have ever heard.
PS: Any insults directed at you here are jokes, though to be honest I don't like you anyway.Yoda begins to absorb Sidious's lightning the instant it makes contact with him. He doesn't have to build up any energy.
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Here is the first segment of Yoda's tutaminis display against Palpatine. Immediately after his lightsaber is blown out of his hand, Yoda lifts up *one* of his hands and begins absorbing and reflecting the lightning. He doesn't have to build up any energy and is able to jump in to the fray of lightning instantly. Revan does the same.- - - - -
Yoda was well capable of defending Dooku's lightning, and he did defend against it, just "far from easily."Except it isn't. Del Ray (or another canonical source, I forget) confirmed on twitter that any movie novelization is canonical. It is only obvious that a poor description of the novelization/movie on a website is lesser in canon then the *real thing.* 🙄
Except this isn't true. As time passed, Yoda became weaker, coming closer and closer to reaching the limitations of his strength. The below quote proves this. He didn't deflect Palpatine's lightning easy at all, similarly to how he didn't do the same to Dooku's. Also must I mention that ROTJ Luke Skywalker was able to also use tutaminis against Palpatine for a little bit. It's nothing extraordinary like you are suggesting.
"The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength."
―Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Novelization[/b]
Except you fail to realize that Vitiate's lightning is beyond Sidious'. XSUPREMEXSKILLZ, who worked on me on the thread, will reply to your above argument on your shitty response on Sidious vs Vitiate in lightning. 🙂 [/B]
2. Which I accept. But you've forgotten my argument, that Yoda takes longer than Revan to gather and exert said raw power - yet despite that the extent of his raw power is infinitely greater.
3. Examples 1 & 2 are inadequate for two reasons. Firstly as sourced from comics they are incapable of potraying passage of time in regards to Yoda's feats, they cannot display him taking time to build up power because they rely on snapshots. In one snapshot Yoda is not exerting his energy, in the next he is. What happens inbetween? We don't know.
And secondly they are EU canonical sources, which are surpassed by movie-canon. Because comics and the EU in general is considered by canon to be more abstract and inaccurate in its portrayal of characters.
Example 3 and 4 are ironically the example I used of a situation in which Yoda has time to gather his power. This is Yoda in his element, a non-combat situation where he can concentrate and prepare his energies in advance. And considering that we see Yoda stride up to that spot for that exact purpose, and yet still can percieve the same pauses and exaggerated motions we see in AOTC, demonstrates this.
Regardless even if he hadn't, the above applies. This is EU-canon and trumped by movie canon. It simply cannot be used to debunk the fact that Yoda struggled to hold a bunch of rocks above him, despite what you have posted being well within his powers.
Unless you can explain that particular in-discrepancy? Maybe Yoda forgot to take his painkillers that day?
Example 5 you have misinterpreted, look at how Sidious throws around the pods doolay, look how it takes a Yoda a full 10 seconds to launch just one back. Bring up the fact that he rotated it first if you like, but that only makes it insufficient proof I'm afraid as we do not know what would have happened if Yoda launched it immediately.
P.S. Any insults directed at you here are not jokes, and the feeling is most certainly mutual.
4. As for the first example, I fail to see your point. Look at it in full and you can see Yoda struggles at first to absorb the lightning, despite being fully capable of reflecting it back at Sidious. But he doesn't do this immediately because it takes time to gather his energies.
The second example is exactly the same Yoda starts of being almost overwhelmed by Sidious lightning, and then manages to rebound it. The fact that he could deflect the intial sparks (though poor considering he loses his lightsaber and is staggered) proves nothing.
Indeed all you achieved in proving is that Yoda is able to immediately use some of his energy but requires a little more time to use all of it. Which is my point. Bravo.
So unless you can provide an example that does not involve Yoda struggling, don't bother. Because that is what you would need to disprove this argument. Absolute evidence that Yoda can use all his power immediately.
5. Fair enough. But unfortunately that only means they are on equal level and we have an indispensably, which I have just solved.
Because unfortunately you can't claim an equally canonical source is wrong "cause reasons."
6. Movies > novels. Always. Just pointing that out. TCW makes Yoda's superiority even clearer. Though if you want to argue Sidious is superior, fine, I don't care. Yoda remains more impressive than Revan regardless I'm afraid considering he was able to push Sidious' energies back and did not suffer any burns and certainly was capable of moving.
ROTJ Luke was more powerful than Revan lol.
7. Still waiting... maybe you should pitch in.
Where is it stated that Yoda's physical limitations require that he need more time to call on his power? I mean, one can conclude that as being the case based on the examples you provided, but it could also be concluded that Yoda just doesn't always use force valor in aiding him in his other force powers such as redirecting other force attacks. Maul's musings in Shadow Conspiracy, that the force flowed effortlessly through Sidious, seems to suggest that the more powerful one is in the force, the easier it is for them to harness it. After all, it took Dooku a bit more physical exertion to overpower and disarm Ventress with TK than it did for Yoda to.It is nowhere stated, but as you say can be concluded.As for everything else you said, I agree completely. [/B]
Interesting hypothesis, an alternative possibility that garners much the same results considering Force Valor is something he'd use in the thick of combat.
But also intertwinable, Yoda used Force Valor to overcome his physical limitations. Note how one minute he's walking with a stick, then the next he's flipping about like a monkey. Yoda can't always pump himself with power, because he's old and its exhausting, but once he gets into his stride his unstoppable.
Originally posted by NephthysPerhaps, but I just don't see how the Sith Emperor could have attained a greater mastery of Sith Lightning, sure he lived long but Sidious mastered the Force Storm.
It's possible. Certain people are simply more talented in one area than others are. I could make the same argument about Vitiate being faster than Dooku because he's more powerful, but I doubt you'd agree with me. Even in the case of two being very talented in the same area and similarly powerful, there can still be a disparity in overall mastery and potency. Also even if Sidious is more powerful, that could just be by a miniscule amount. And his talent with lightning could be greater than Sidious' by a greater amount. You cannot dismiss this possibility out of hand. That's why I determine the levels by feats. Shattered rock with it. And Thanaton was able to tear through metal with lightning when he was an apprentice.Sidious seems to credit Malgus with inspiration for the technique at any rate.
Ok.
I would say, and I own the Book of Sith, that that cannot be concluded based on the evidence we have. Possible but far from certain.
Not that it changes anything. Maelstrom is not Force Storm.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66I used to, then I met Legend. How about you learn to number instead?
Can you learn how to damn quote? I have no clue what you are referencing to in certain points.
I'll reply once you learn how to do a task PTforthewin learned on day 1.
But if your actually serious I'll just take that as your surrender.
Beni, if you want to quote a particular part of a post simply use the code [quote ] [/quote] without the space at the end of the first one. Or copy paste the
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part and then add
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at the end of what you want to quote.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Like this.