I didn't want to sound so demanding, and rather let the reader decide for themselves, which ultimately seems to work better then outright stating something.
You are learning well.
And it is kinda funny to see Yoda in S6 just tank Sidious' lightning completely.
Just goes to show how great of an effect Force Shields can have on a battle concerning the top tiers.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Fact is, Sidious' lightning is capable knocking Yoda unconscious when not successfully absorbed. It indicates how powerful his lightning is, considering that we've seen lesser powerful force users, who don't even know how to absorb the attack, being struck by it and not be KO'd.
Point is that Yoda is getting old during The Clone Wars era, he is feeling the effects of aging. Yoda's limitations do not necessarily apply to younger (powerful) Force-users. I never buy the Yoda's invincibility mantra, I won't be surprised even Nyriss manages to injure Yoda with her lightning casts. The sooner people understand this, the better.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate's lightning has never instantly KO'd anyone on Yoda's caliber.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Even some of Vitiate's opponents who didn't possess the ability to absorb lightning were able to take a protracted assault from him, and were only KO'd after a second charged attack, and none of them were on Yoda's level.
Now, the most important aspect of this battle is the intent of Vitiate who made the decision to use these Jedi as his puppets, this is why he didn't reduce any Jedi to ash in this battle. Otherwise, do you seriously think that Emperor Vitiate couldn't reduce any Jedi to ash in this battle if he could do this to Revan?
So the key aspect of the battle is INTENT.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We've seen Revan handle his lightning with his saber, and even when he attempted to block it with his hands, it still hit him and all it did was burn him. Whether or not he wanted them alive is irrelevant. He aimed to knock them unconscious, which took more effort from him than it did for Sidious to knock Yoda unconscious.
Afterwards, when Revan stood up to face Emperor Vitiate, he one-shot the mighty Jedi with just a casual burst of his lightning. Yes, the Jedi was distracted at this point but he would still have erected a barrier at minimum.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious' lightning > Vitiate's.
Revan is more proficient at defending himself then Yoda against Sith powers, whether you like this or not. And Emperor Vitiate could utterly destroy Revan in a short while with just his lighning barrage alone.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So, Yoda can handle more powerful lightning than Nyriss'. The point I'm making with the dark side nexus, is that Dooku has never shown to utilize the attack on one, therefore you can't conclude her lightning is more powerful than his. Dooku has KO'd many force users while off a nexus, which is more impressive than merely knocking the exile on her ass while on one.
Nyriss is likely more proficient in lightning application then Dooku is. The entire nexus argument is misplaced, Dromund Kaas isn't a nexus of the dark side on the whole and neither it has been stated that Nyriss tapped in to a nearby nexus to augment her powers at the time of combat against Jedi.
Even a casual lightning cast of Nyriss was potent enough to reduce normal individuals to ash and stop powerful individuals on their tracks. A proper FLS from her was potent enough to destroy powerful individuals, individuals of at-least Dooku caliber, which is still formidable display of power.
Emperor's lightning casts are stated to much deadlier then even Nyriss's casts. One would shudder to think what he would do to Yoda.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Still better then anything Dooku has done.
Regardless, it was powerful enough to have been said to put *both* Meetra and Scourge to ash.
"A dozen bolts of lightning sprang from Nyriss's hand, arcing across the room to incinerate her enemies."Also, S_W_LeGenD, thoughts on my blog/thread?
How the hell is charring 2 non-force sensitive mooks superior to killing 4 and them 6+
In the dream sequence, Dooku killed almost a dozen clones with a blast of lightning, and their corpses were charred, which is better than Nyriss's Nexus feat. Off-Nexus, I would think that Nyriss' lightning would be lesser than Dooku's.
However, It's a different case when discussing Nyriss's Force Storm, which is much more powerful than her base lightning. Even off-Nexus, it's probably on Malgus's level.
As for are Revan, it doesn't matter either way--He absorbed and redirected Nyriss's Force Storm while on a Nexus. Two things to point out, though. Unlike Yoda, who only used one hand to turn back the lightning, Revan had to use both. Secondly, it never implies that he did this easily as you are claiming, it simply describes the event. It's still a far cry from being better than matching Palpatine's FL, even if it's similarly impressive.
This was longer than I wanted it to be. I'll be more succinct in the future.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That you're unable to grasp it doesn't make it a bunk argument.
Please don't insult my intelligence, of course I can grasp your reasoning. It's just not good reasoning. Your argument is terrible. Just bare in mind that the sarcasm isn't super serious here.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Fact is, Sidious' lightning is capable knocking Yoda unconscious when not successfully absorbed.
And we've seen Vitiate's lightning knock the Strike Team out easily when not successfully absorbed. You're just assuming that Yoda's incomplete defense (do I need to explain why it was incomplete?) is more effective than the combined power of the Strike Team or Revan's tutaminis.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It indicates how powerful his lightning is, considering that we've seen lesser powerful force users, who don't even know how to absorb the attack, being struck by it and not be KO'd.
Are you referring to Vitiates lightning at the end here? Obviously a (casual) Force Storms power is spread out over a wide area as opposed to a concentrated burst. Many of the bolts of lightning don't get even close to the team, so a lot of power is wasted on useless lightning strikes. That it didn't KO the Strike Team means nothing about Vitiates actual lightning. Also lmao at the idea that they didn't know how to absorb lightning.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate's lightning has never instantly KO'd anyone on Yoda's caliber. Even some of Vitiate's opponents who didn't possess the ability to absorb lightning were able to take a protracted assault from him, and were only KO'd after a second charged attack, and none of them were on Yoda's level.
I am laughing right now about how the Strike Team apparently doesn't know how to block lightning. Yeah, I'm sure Tol Braga brought people on the mission who don't know how to block lightning. Obviously. Oh wait, they weren't going to fight a Sith were they? Eh, I'm sure they didn't think it was an important skill to have.
Also even if there's not one on Yoda's level, there was 4 of them remember? So none of them need to be for their combined power to be greater to or equal to than his.
And finally you're again just assuming that Revan isn't on Yoda's level. Since this is what the entire argument is about, that's the silliest thing you could do.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We've seen Revan handle his lightning with his saber, and even when he attempted to block it with his hands, it still hit him and all it did was burn him.
Yes, it's totally not as if Revan was actively trying to absorb the attack or anything at the time, significantly weakening the effects of it.
Let me try this: We see Yoda blocking it with his hands without being overwhelmed, so Sidious' lightning is weaker than Vitiates that pwned Revan who also tried to block with his hands but WAS overwhelmed. Since I've already decided for myself that Revan's tutaminis is superior, Vitiates feat is vastly better than Sidious'.
Confirmation bias ftw.
Also this doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't it be more impressive than Sidious' lightning which didn't burn Yoda? Surely the attack that did more physical damage is the greater one? Just because Yoda was knocked out and Revan wasn't doesn't mean the attack was greater, just that Yoda is more of a pussy than Revan. Since he was knocked out by an attack that did less actual damage than the attack Revan tanked.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Whether or not he wanted them alive is irrelevant. He aimed to knock them unconscious, which took more effort from him than it did for Sidious to knock Yoda unconscious.Sidious' lightning > Vitiate's.
Presupposing that Yoda's incomplete defense >> The lightsaber defense of 4 of the most powerful Jedi of the era. Seems legit. 👆
Vitiate defeated the Strike Team "easily." It didn't take him effort at all.
Wait, let me try this too: We saw Sidious shock Luke and he wasn't even made unconscious. It took more effort for Sidious to fail to kill Luke than it did Vitiate to knock the Strike Team unconscious. Because whether or not the person is holding back isn't a factor.
Vitiate > Sidious. Terrible logic ftw!
To sum it up, your entire argument revolves around the assumption that Yoda's weak defense was still stronger than the Strike Teams and Revan efforts.
And you're still making the circular argument that Yoda's defense is better because Sidious' lightning is better because it knocked Yoda out whose defenses are better than Revans because he blocked Sidious' lightning which is better because it knocked Yoda out who is better because he blocked Sidious' lightning which is better because it knocked Yoda out.
Again, your entire argument can just be summed up as Yoda > Revan. Which isn't a real argument, it's an opinion. Come up with a way to establish Sidious' lightning without using Yoda himself.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So, Yoda can handle more powerful lightning than Nyriss'. The point I'm making with the dark side nexus, is that Dooku has never shown to utilize the attack on one, therefore you can't conclude her lightning is more powerful than his. Dooku has KO'd many force users while off a nexus, which is more impressive than merely knocking the exile on her ass while on one.
Your basic idea here is pretty solid. Dooku may have lightning on her level if he was on a nexus (which Dromund Kaas still isn't established as btw) and had charged it up like she had. But like I said, that's completely and utterly irrelevant and I don't give a shit. The only important thing is that the lightning she used against Revan, regardless of how amped it was, was far superior to the lightning that Dooku used against Yoda. Therefore making Revan more impressive since he handled it without notable effort whilst Yoda had to strain to block Dooku's. Leave Dooku vs Nyriss to a versus thread.
Also Dooku usually uses only lightning when characters are open to it. The people he's KO'd with it aren't shown to be actively blocking it like Meetra was. His standard lightning is in no way better than hers because of it.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly Sidious's best feat in this field is his lightning starting to bend Windu's Vaapadsaber.
Which isn't even an actual feat because it never happened.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because Dooku failed to even char them. Based on the images, it even looks like it takes a prolonged storm to even do that for Dooku. Meanwhile, Nyriss killed them instantly, and in a superior fashion.
Though there is no debate turning Meetra/Scourge to ash>>anything Dooku has done.
Not really. Maybe with the Kiffar but not with the Nightbrothers, hell in the time it takes Brother Viscious to jump, the nightbrothers are all massacred by the lightning. The burst couldn't have lasted more than a second. Also we never see Dooku use lightning on a nexus.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
How the hell is charring 2 non-force sensitive mooks superior to killing 4 and them 6+
Seriously? The power needed to utterly disintegrate (incinerate means turn to ash, not charr) two powerful Force users is far more than whats needed to just kill a few people. It's simple science. It takes around 3 gigajoules to vaporise a human and that's not even accounting for force defenses. It's much, much, much less to just kill someone.
Not really. Maybe with the Kiffar but not with the Nightbrothers, hell in the time it takes Brother Viscious to jump, the nightbrothers are all massacred by the lightning.
Don't lie to yourself at night.
The lightning to the Nightbrothers were capable enough to knock a majority back onto the ground, despite them being in a mid-air jump, before it killed them.
In fact, you see the one in front groaning in pain. Meanwhile, the soldiers Nyriss killed barely had time to put out a mere scream.
Also we never see Dooku use lightning on a nexus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously? The power needed to utterly disintegrate (incinerate means turn to ash, not charr) two powerful Force users is far more than whats needed to just kill a few people. It's simple science. It takes around 3 gigajoules to vaporise a human and that's not even accounting for force defenses. It's much, much, much less to just kill someone.
How the hell is charring 2 non-force sensitive mooks superior to killing 4 and them 6+
2 non-force sensitive mooks
2 non-force sensitive
I'm comparing her base lightning not here storm here. Read my post next time.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Don't lie to yourself at night.
The lightning to the Nightbrothers were capable enough to knock a majority back onto the ground, despite them being in a mid-air jump, before it killed them.
In fact, you see the one in front groaning in pain. Meanwhile, the soldiers Nyriss killed barely had time to put out a mere scream.Don't care, for it doesn't affect my argument.
Oh but it does. Because Revan, being a user of both the Light and Dark Side would be affected by the nexus on Droumund Kaas.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I'm comparing her base lightning not here storm here. Read my post next time.
Eh, my basic point is the same. The energy needed to turn 2 men into charred husks is far greater than what is needed to kill even 2 times as many people.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Oh but it does. Because Revan, being a user of both the Light and Dark Side would be affected by the nexus on Droumund Kaas.
Wouldn't a nexus weaken him by the same amount it amped him in that case? Revan was negatively affected by the nexus on Nathema, remember.