Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan's lightning > Dooku. Killing Rancor's, before his prime plus Force Storm.Also I'd disagree about TK. Meteor feat >
I doubt Revan's lightning is enough to overwhelm Dooku. I think taking out a group of night brothers is just as impressive.
Why do you disagree with the TK?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I doubt Revan's lightning is enough to overwhelm Dooku. I think taking out a group of night brothers is just as impressive.Why do you disagree with the TK?
I dunno. What would his defense against a full on Force Storm be I wonder? Also naw, Rancor's a beastly.
Because the meteor feat is better in terms of power and he did it while fighting off the Strike Team.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I dunno. What would his defense against a full on Force Storm be I wonder? Also naw, Rancor's a beastly.Because the meteor feat is better in terms of power and he did it while fighting off the Strike Team.
Block the lightning with his saber, or hands.
If you're basing your opinion on whose feat came more casual, that's fair, which seems to be what you are basing it off of, considering he was fighting off a strike team. But the force required to bring down a meteor wouldn't be as powerful as the force required to collapse the balcony. I would have to see Revan's video again before I can make my own judgment.
I dunno if he could with that many bolts.
Maybe, but Revan pulled down a shitton of meteors not just one.
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That's the feat that came to mind at first @Neph, but it's more impressive than I remembered tbh. (Referring to Dooku's thingie)
Regardless of it though, I do agree that Dooku is a superior telekinetic to Revan. Perhaps not necessarily in his raw ability with it, but definitely in his incorporation and precision in it's practice. I hand overall Force Mastery to Revan's favor, though.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I dunno if he could with that many bolts.Maybe, but Revan pulled down a shitton of meteors not just one.
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All Dooku would have to do is block the bolts that are directed at him. As you said with Vitiate's storm, it spreads out and wastes some of it's potency. Both HoT and Braga (is that how you spell it?) managed to momentarily push through Vitiate's storm, which I assume is far more potent than Revan's. I'm not sure why Dooku, who is a master practitioner of lightning, and obviously very proficient in defending against it, wouldn't be able to handle Revan's.
Also, it looked like Revan was at a distance from the jedi before pulling them down. It also looked as if he was pulling them down one by one in a very fast pace, rather than pulling more than one at one time. However, I'm not on my laptop, so I'd probably be able to judge better when I get to it. But I can see very clearly that the meteors caused no damage to the surface, and completely turned to dust on impact. Plus, the meteors weren't attached to anything, and didn't look as big as the balcony Dooku pulled down. The ease in which Dooku was capable of breaking off and collapsing the balcony, would suggest that Dooku is capable of a lot more. In fact, almost all of Dooku's TK showings would require a tremendous raw power to pull off, yet for him they all came casually.
Overall force mastery, I'd put Revan ahead of Dooku on account of Revan's implied force knowledge, but he doesn't seem possess more raw power than Dooku, and I've not seen anything to suggest he'd take Dooku in a force contest, let alone all out combat.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Both HoT and Braga (is that how you spell it?) managed to momentarily push through Vitiate's storm, which I assume is far more potent than Revan's. I'm not sure why Dooku, who is a master practitioner of lightning, and obviously very proficient in defending against it, wouldn't be able to handle Revan's.
They were able defend only for a few seconds though and HoT > Dooku
but he doesn't seem possess more raw power than Dooku,
Originally posted by Sinious
They were able defend only for a few seconds though and HoT > Dooku
I'm not so sure HoT was greater than Dooku by that point, and I'm not even sure he is that much ahead of Dooku now.
Furthermore, the gap between Dooku and Revan isn't that big, if there is a gap at all. And as I said, Dooku is a master of FL, and obviously knows of more defenses against it that HoT.
@Ant, all you have established in that thread, is that Revan has a lot of raw power, nothing more.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm not so sure HoT was greater than Dooku by that point, and I'm not even sure he is that much ahead of Dooku now.
Furthermore, the gap between Dooku and Revan isn't that big, if there is a gap at all. And as I said, Dooku is a master of FL, and obviously knows of more defenses against it that HoT.
@Ant, all you have established in that thread, is that Revan has a lot of raw power, nothing more.
@ Sidious 66
During his first confrontation with the Emperor, he probably wasn't that much weaker than his end game.
Still though, my point is that they couldn't take Vitiate's FLS for more than a few seconds and Vitiate wasn't even trying to kill them.
Revan wouldn't be able summon an equally powerful storm but he would definitely cause a lot of trouble for Dooku.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
All Dooku would have to do is block the bolts that are directed at him. As you said with Vitiate's storm, it spreads out and wastes some of it's potency. Both HoT and Braga (is that how you spell it?) managed to momentarily push through Vitiate's storm, which I assume is far more potent than Revan's. I'm not sure why Dooku, who is a master practitioner of lightning, and obviously very proficient in defending against it, wouldn't be able to handle Revan's.Also, it looked like Revan was at a distance from the jedi before pulling them down. It also looked as if he was pulling them down one by one in a very fast pace, rather than pulling more than one at one time. However, I'm not on my laptop, so I'd probably be able to judge better when I get to it. But I can see very clearly that the meteors caused no damage to the surface, and completely turned to dust on impact. Plus, the meteors weren't attached to anything, and didn't look as big as the balcony Dooku pulled down. The ease in which Dooku was capable of breaking off and collapsing the balcony, would suggest that Dooku is capable of a lot more. In fact, almost all of Dooku's TK showings would require a tremendous raw power to pull off, yet for him they all came casually.
Overall force mastery, I'd put Revan ahead of Dooku on account of Revan's implied force knowledge, but he doesn't seem possess more raw power than Dooku, and I've not seen anything to suggest he'd take Dooku in a force contest, let alone all out combat.
Lawl, "master practioner". Dooku's got some of the shittiest lightning of any notable Sith. The HoT and Braga are likely better at defending against lightning than Dooku is. Also I'd think there would be too much lightning just to block with a hand. A lightsaber is a maybe. But I think Revan's lightning would still be difficult for him to handle.
There was only distance because the person making the video put distance between them. He uses the attack even if you're cutting his face off in close range. Either way though, putting and maintaining distance from the Strike Team would still be a point in his favor. Does it matter if its one at a time (which I highly doubt it was)? TK'ing that many huge objects in rapid succession is still an amazing feat. And it doesn't matter if they weren't attached to anything it would still take a ton of force to throw them at the ground that fast and hard. Then causing no damage is obviously just a gameplay mechanic due to no destructible environments, come on. Even if they're not as big, they're actually solid objects while Dooku pulled down a metal framework. So they'd be just as or heavier than it.
No way, in raw power Revan has the advantage. His raw power enabled him to casually absorb Nyriss' lightning. Which is >> anything Dooku's displayed.