Revan and Scourge vs Dooku and Maul

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They were and are.

The HoT can tank Vitiate's Lightning, so no. Furthermore, Revan tanked Lightning that is capable of turning people to ash. Dooku has not shown the ability to do either.

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1) Based on what other than implications and your opinion?

2) Again, Dooku can block his own redirected lightning, so his feat against Nyriss is irrelevant, and wouldn't come in handy against Dooku, other than not getting hit by Dooku's lightning.

3) Revan had a good showing in one particular technique that requires a lot of raw power. This doesn't suggest he has more raw power than Dooku. In fact, we've seen people who haven't even mastered the ability of force absorption, having more raw power than characters who have. Force absorption is just one ability out of several that requires tremendous raw power. I could make a similar thread regarding some of master Tiin's feats, and his unique ability, and then throw off my opinion that he has more raw power than people who haven't displayed the same showings.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lawl, "master practioner". Dooku's got some of the shittiest lightning of any notable Sith. The HoT and Braga are likely better at defending against lightning than Dooku is. Also I'd think there would be too much lightning just to block with a hand. A lightsaber is a maybe. But I think Revan's lightning would still be difficult for him to handle.

There was only distance because the person making the video put distance between them. He uses the attack even if you're cutting his face off in close range. Either way though, putting and maintaining distance from the Strike Team would still be a point in his favor. Does it matter if its one at a time (which I highly doubt it was)? TK'ing that many huge objects in rapid succession is still an amazing feat. And it doesn't matter if they weren't attached to anything it would still take a ton of force to throw them at the ground that fast and hard. Then causing no damage is obviously just a gameplay mechanic due to no destructible environments, come on. Even if they're not as big, they're actually solid objects while Dooku pulled down a metal framework. So they'd be just as or heavier than it.

No way, in raw power Revan has the advantage. His raw power enabled him to casually absorb Nyriss' lightning. Which is >> anything Dooku's displayed.

Dooku's standard lightning off a nexus is greater than Nyriss' while on one. Knocking Ventress, Anakin and Bulq unconscious is far better than merely knocking the Exile on her ass. Not to mention he took out a group of force sensitive zabraks with lightning. On top of being capable of dividing his standard lightning in to three separate attacks against Ventress and the nightsisters, which suggest that, not only is Dooku's lightning pretty potent, but it shows he is very refined in it's application. In other words, Dooku is a master practitioner of lightning. There you go with lowballing Dooku's lightning. Vitiate's lightning is pretty shitty compared to Palpatine's yet you're in awe of it.

So, basically, all we know regarding that feat, is that Revan brought down meteors? Then I'm not sure how I'm able to make an accurate comparison to Dooku's consistent TK showings.

Considering that most of Dooku's TK feats require tremendous raw power to perform, and the fact those feats all came so casually to him, I'd say he has shown just as much raw power in the force as Revan, but in a different application of it's uses.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1) Based on what other than implications and your opinion?

2) Again, Dooku can block his own redirected lightning, so his feat against Nyriss is irrelevant, and wouldn't come in handy against Dooku, other than not getting hit by Dooku's lightning.

3) Revan had a good showing in one particular technique that requires a lot of raw power. This doesn't suggest he has more raw power than Dooku. In fact, we've seen people who haven't even mastered the ability of force absorption, having more raw power than characters who have. Force absorption is just one ability out of several that requires tremendous raw power. I could make a similar thread regarding some of master Tiin's feats, and his unique ability, and then throw off my opinion that he has more raw power than people who haven't displayed the same showings.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan's lightning > Dooku. Killing Rancor's, before his prime plus Force Storm.

Also I'd disagree about TK. Meteor feat >

Meteor feat= n-canon

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Meteor feat= n-canon

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Regardless of it though, I do agree that Dooku is a superior telekinetic to Revan. Perhaps not necessarily in his raw ability with it, but definitely in his incorporation and precision in it's practice. I hand overall Force Mastery to Revan's favor, though.

Veela and the other two survivors scrambled back into the passage near the chamber entrance, ducking out of sight around the corner to regroup. A second later a trio of grenades skittered across the floor, bouncing and rolling to a stop near the base of the sarcophagus. The instant before they detonated, Revan reached out with the Force and hurled the heavy stone lid of the sarcophagus toward the grenades. It acted as a shield, absorbing the worst of the blast before exploding into pebbles and dust. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

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Revan's command of the Force is superior to that of any individual whom Meetra Surik have met and the list includes Vandar Tokare, Darth Traya, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus. This implies that Revan is vastly superior Force-user then Count Dooku.

It baffles me that discussions involving Revan vs. Dooku tend to expand to several pages. Revan is stronger and superior Force-user then Dooku and can also handle him with his dueling abilities, period.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Meteor feat= n-canon

Naw.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Dooku's standard lightning off a nexus is greater than Nyriss' while on one. Knocking Ventress, Anakin and Bulq unconscious is far better than merely knocking the Exile on her ass. Not to mention he took out a group of force sensitive zabraks with lightning. On top of being capable of dividing his standard lightning in to three separate attacks against Ventress and the nightsisters, which suggest that, not only is Dooku's lightning pretty potent, but it shows he is very refined in it's application. In other words, Dooku is a master practitioner of lightning. There you go with lowballing Dooku's lightning. Vitiate's lightning is pretty shitty compared to Palpatine's yet you're in awe of it.

So, basically, all we know regarding that feat, is that Revan brought down meteors? Then I'm not sure how I'm able to make an accurate comparison to Dooku's consistent TK showings.

Considering that most of Dooku's TK feats require tremendous raw power to perform, and the fact those feats all came so casually to him, I'd say he has shown just as much raw power in the force as Revan, but in a different application of it's uses.

No it isn't. He only knocked a very early CW Ventress out before she had any actual training, big deal. Anakin was weakened dramatically and the effort still made him out of breath. Bulq is a pussy. Beating untrained force sensitives is nothing. I'm lowballing Dooku's lightning because it's power is low. Deal w it.

You could apply some critical reasoning to come to the conclusion. You know, actually try comparing the two. 😬

I would disagree. His TK feats don't require that much raw power. Revan absorbed gigawatts of energy casually. And his meteor feat requires huge amounts of power behind it as well. While I don't take the calculations of the narutoforums seriously, the rough estimate for the amount of power needed to perform Revan's feat is insane. The most power Dooku's feats required was breaking the supports of that metal structure and lifting some rock.

> whines about "lowballing" TOR!characters
> admits to lowballing PT!characters

Comparing Revan to Dooku is silly. Revan and all his feats are non-canon; Dooku wins by default. 😄

It's called being facetious.

Can you believe Legend is arguing that Sidious and Bane are inferior to Darth Thanaton? Insanity, I tells ya.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's called being facetious.

Can you believe Legend is arguing that Sidious and Bane are inferior to Darth Thanaton? Insanity, I tells ya.

SIDIOUS 66, I suggest you checkout my Revan Respect Thread for knowledge on the subject.
It seems you don't know much about Revan or his feats at all.

I also don't understand the relevance of bringing up Nyriss's "regular lightning," anyways. What Revan fairly easily blocked was her lightning storm, which as per the book was going to incinerate Scourge and Meetra. Then of course, it also utterly disintegrated herself, when brought to bear.

👆 And deflecting such said storm is confirmed to be a display of his raw power.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
> whines about "lowballing" TOR!characters
> admits to lowballing PT!characters

Comparing Revan to Dooku is silly. Revan and all his feats are non-canon; Dooku wins by default. 😄

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Can you believe Legend is arguing that Sidious and Bane are inferior to Darth Thanaton? Insanity, I tells ya.

I expect better from you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Naw.

No it isn't. He only knocked a very early CW Ventress out before she had any actual training, big deal. Anakin was weakened dramatically and the effort still made him out of breath. Bulq is a pussy. Beating untrained force sensitives is nothing. I'm lowballing Dooku's lightning because it's power is low. Deal w it.

You could apply some critical reasoning to come to the conclusion. You know, actually try comparing the two. 😬

I would disagree. His TK feats don't require that much raw power. Revan absorbed gigawatts of energy casually. And his meteor feat requires huge amounts of power behind it as well. While I don't take the calculations of the narutoforums seriously, the rough estimate for the amount of power needed to perform Revan's feat is insane. The most power Dooku's feats required was breaking the supports of that metal structure and lifting some rock.

Will get to this point by point later.

Take your time, it's cool.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I also don't understand the relevance of bringing up Nyriss's "regular lightning," anyways. What Revan fairly easily blocked was her lightning storm, which as per the book was going to incinerate Scourge and Meetra. Then of course, it also utterly disintegrated herself, when brought to bear.

I brought it up because Neph likes to lowball PT era characters, and wanks the hell out of TOR characters. I was suggesting that Dooku's lightning isn't weak, and that his standard lightning off a nexus is better than Nyriss' lightning on one. Plus, we've never seen Dooku ramp up his lightning.

Not everything revolves around Revan's absorption feat. And I'm not suggesting that Revan wouldn't be able to absorb Dooku's lightning. Only that it wouldn't allow him to overcome Dooku, considering Dooku can block his own lightning.

and that his standard lightning off a nexus is better than Nyriss' lightning on one.

Not everything revolves around Revan's absorption feat. And I'm not suggesting that Revan wouldn't be able to absorb Dooku's lightning. Only that it wouldn't allow him to overcome Dooku, considering Dooku can block his own lightning.

The only point that was missed was mine.

I also lol'd at the ridiculous assertion that Revan's raw power is on par with Yoda's, and that he would provide a challenge for the likes of Sidious and Yoda. You're laughing at something that can and will be backed up.