Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan's raw power being on par with Yoda's doesn't mean that he'll be a challenge for Yoda or Sidious. No one's made that claim here, actually I think that very point was said not to be the point several times. 😬
Revan's raw power isn't on par with Yoda's, though.
Their arguments with Nova on comic vine suggest they believe him to be a challenge for Yoda. Ant knows what I'm talking about. Whether or not the claim was made here is irrelevant. Ant has no room to lol @ my argument, considering Nyriss's standard lightning isn't superior to Dooku's.
🤣 I am lol'ing, completely, and rather loudly.
It's honestly like instead of reading the thread, you took a shit on it and then looked toward your shit for knowledge on what the thread said.
Nyriss' lightning doesn't need to be superior to Dooku's off a nexus for Revan's feat to still count. That is completely irrelevant.
Dooku challenged Yoda, though was still firmly under him. Why is Revan different?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
🤣 I am lol'ing, completely, and rather loudly.
It's honestly like instead of reading the thread, you took a shit on it and then looked toward your shit for knowledge on what the thread said.
Nyriss' lightning doesn't need to be superior to Dooku's off a nexus for Revan's feat to still count. That is completely irrelevant.
Are you so obsessed with Revan's absorption feat that you think every point I make has something to do with it?
I read the thread. You concluded that Revan's raw power was on par with Yoda's based on one good showing in one particular technique that requires a lot of raw power. Yoda beats him in that area, as well as plenty of others.
All you have established in that thread is that Revan has tremendous raw power, which I never disputed. It was a good thread, but your conclusion was exaggerated.
Dooku held is own against a Yoda who wasn't going all out on him. Yoda didn't use the force offensively. We seen what Sidious was capable of doing to Dooku from a distance of light years. Well Yoda is Sidious' equal.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't.
Yes, it is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He only knocked a very early CW Ventress out before she had any actual training, big deal.
She had jedi training, and was self trained for years before becoming Dooku's apprentices. Her talent was enough to impress Dooku, which is why he took her in as his apprentice.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin was weakened dramatically and the effort still made him out of breath.
He's also sent Anakin flying meters, and onto his ass. Anakin >> Meetra.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bulq is a pussy.
No, Dooku's standard lightning is just that good. Apparently better than Nyriss's nexus-enhanced standard lighting.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Beating untrained force sensitives is nothing.
None of them were untrained.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm lowballing Dooku's lightning because it's power is low. Deal w it.
Come to think of it, Dooku's standard lightning is better than Vitiate's. Vitiate has to use prolong uses of FS + an amped attack to take out anyone. Other than that, his standard lightning was easily handled by the blades of Revan and HoT while on a nexus. Yet you place his lightning higher than Palpatine's.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
You could apply some critical reasoning to come to the conclusion. You know, actually try comparing the two.
No, I can't. IDK if Revan had downed them with a force attack and then brought those meteors down on them. IDK how it happened. All I know is Revan brought down some meteors because it is a scripted event that occurs within game mechanic material, which is known for exaggerating force usage more so than the mini CW, which is a source you disregard because of that very reason.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I would disagree. His TK feats don't require that much raw power.
In this case, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Dooku's TK feats do require tremendous raw power.
You disagreeing with it, is no different than me disagreeing that water is liquid and turns to ice when frozen.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan absorbed gigawatts of energy casually.
That's nice. Revan has a lot of raw power. Good for him. Never said he didn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And his meteor feat requires huge amounts of power behind it as well.
Prove it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While I don't take the calculations of the narutoforums seriously, the rough estimate for the amount of power needed to perform Revan's feat is insane.
Yeah, I don't either considering they have no way of making such calculations. We have no idea how much those meteors weigh or how solid they are. They cause no damage to the surface, and turned to dirt upon impact with the ground. Although, like you said, it may be because it happens within game mechanic material. Sorry, though, but you can't only accept certain parts of game mechanics that favor you argument, but disregard others based on the fact that it happens within the game's mechanics. Either you accept what we see in the game's mechanics, or you don't.
We know very little about the feat other than he brought down some meteors. Ventress feat of ripping down large chunks from a cave ceiling is just as impressive, yet Dooku has consistently dominated her with TK. Basically, Dooku can dominate a Revan level Telekinetic with his TK (yes, I'm going there).
Originally posted by Nephthys
The most power Dooku's feats required was breaking the supports of that metal structure and lifting some rock.
Supports with enough force to hold possibly well over a ton of weight, considering it's size. Ripping through metal supports is far greater than bringing down some meteors of unknown quantity and quality. Also lifting a dozen of huge obelisks far above his head simultaneously, and holding them there for several seconds would require tremendous raw power and a high level of refinement. Given that these feats were performed very easily by Dooku, would suggest that they aren't even near his limit.
Dooku's TK >>> Revan's. Fact.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Feats. At this point the HoT has already defeated the strongest enforcer in the Empire. Scourge, especially with an amp, is Dooku level if not greater.
Dooku has bested both Anakin and Kenobi at the same time, as well as numerous other skilled duelist who actually have feats and quotes which give context to their abilities.
Furthermore, the notion that Scourge is even on Maul's level has been debunked. All he has to his name is a bunch of stuff that suggests he is powerful and skilled. Nothing too conclusive that would put him on Maul's level let alone Dooku's. The notion is laughable.
So, again, I'll ask you to prove your assertion that HoT was above Dooku. I want more than just your opinion and a bunch of implications that he was powerful. If you're unable to do so by your next post, I'll take it that you can't back up your claim.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is blocking your own lighting, which has never turned anyone to ash, a greater feat than redirecting Lighting that has?
And how is absorbing and redirecting Nyriss' lightning an indication that he can take Dooku in a force contest?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan has already been shown to be a master of many Force techniques, Tutaminis among them. Revan has always been stated to focus mostly on Force mastey. He's learned to use the Force in Balance. He's a stated master of Drain, Lightning, Healing, TK, and Tutaminis, among others. I'm not seeing where it's been shown he only has raw power to draw on and is well below Dooku. Even, Revan has always been shown to do these things in conjunction with raw power. He's above Dooku in showing at least.
I never said that force absorption is the only ability he has that would suggest he has tremendous raw power. I'm merely pointing out that that one good showing in a particular technique does not suggest he has more raw power than Dooku.
Dooku is immune to drain. Regardless, when has Revan used drain mid-combat? Dooku has displayed more raw power in TK than Revan has, so there goes that. Dooku also has healing abilities, along with a bunch of other sith techniques.
All in all, Revan has done absolutely nothing to suggest his power in the force exceeds that of Dooku's. Even if Revan does have more abilities up his sleeve, it's still not an indication of having greater raw power. The best way to compare them, is to compare powers that they're both proficient with, which would be TK and lightning. Dooku seems to hold the advantage in TK, and has actually overpowered other powerful force users with TK alone, whereas don't recall Revan ever casually overpowering other powerful force users with his. Revan might hold an advantage in FL (still arguable, as Dooku has taken out powerful force users with single short bursts of lightning, whereas I don't recall Revan doing the same). However, nothing Revan has done, feat-wise, suggests he is more powerful than Dooku. They seem pretty close, with Dooku holding a very decisive edge in saber combat. Although, since the TOR wanking is getting out of hand, I'll go ahead and say Dooku can dominate Revan with TK, considering he has consistently dominated a Revan level telekinetic, as mentioned above in my response to Neph.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Holy shit. I'm wondering if I should even bother replying to you
Probably not if you don't want to continue making a full out of yourself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
considering every other member understood the point I made besides you.
I got your point, which had absolutely nothing to do with mine. Again, are you so obsessed with Revan's absorption feat that you think every point I make is about it?
You're a very weird individual.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Perhaps someone else can try to explain to this guy, because I feel I will get banned for language and insulting if I personally do. Thanks.
No, go ahead. I'm not one to report people for starting a flame war with me.
Give it your best shot.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Actually tempted to jump into this debate and save Neph the trouble, since majority of that is utter bullshit.
EDIT: Just skimmed through some of it, totally am jumping into this. *cracks knuckles*
Is it the Ventress > Revan part (which is actually supported) that you're mad about?
Tear into it. Not that I'll actually reply, considering you keep missing a simple point I was trying to make to Neph, which had nothing to do with Revan's absorption feat that you're so obsessed with.
You're not too bright, boy.
All of society is disgraced over your debate with Neph.
A country just began a civil war fearing you might go to it.
I'm not being omniscient, it's just that you are ridiculous.
Hopefully someone else can help you out with the Revan thread.
ATM I'm responding to your response to Neph. Never lol'ed so much.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All of society is disgraced over your debate with Neph.
A country just began a civil war fearing you might go to it.
I'm not being omniscient, it's just that you are ridiculous.
Hopefully someone else can help you out with the Revan thread.
ATM I'm responding to your response to Neph. Never lol'ed so much.
That's fine.
Also, I made an edit to my last post.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Kewl.
It's rather the fact you are completely uneducated on Revan, yet decide to actually participate in a debate with him, that awes me.
So educate me.
Also, I keep going back over your insults. I feel as if I'm being verbally attacked by a 4 year-old.
You're so ugly that everyone hates you!!
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
🤣 I am lol'ing, completely, and rather loudly.
It's honestly like instead of reading the thread, you took a shit on it and then looked toward your shit for knowledge on what the thread said.
Nyriss' lightning doesn't need to be superior to Dooku's off a nexus for Revan's feat to still count. That is [b]completely irrelevant.
Dooku challenged Yoda, though was still firmly under him. Why is Revan different? [/B]
Because Yoda didn't use the force offensively once. If Yoda wanted to he could ragdoll Dooku. He's just as bit as capable as Sidious is.