Originally posted by Arachnid1Yah it was sad for Ben to die on Daredevil. Forgot about him.
Despite that, killing Quicksilver was a waste. The death of him and Ben Urich in the MCU have been complete wastes IMOAll the Avengers stories I've read with him being a part were awesome. I was looking forward to him joining the team so much. Then they just kill him off? wtf
Originally posted by 80sBaby
I don't think they should bring QS back but I also think his death was a waste. He added a new power set and an interesting personality to the Avengers.
Well 2 end versions were made. One he dies, the other he lives.
Maybe at the time the movie was released , he (QS) was still in contract negotiations so Whedon decided to play it safe & release the "death version".
If QS is in the next one, they'll simply do a flashback of Dr. Cho using her machine to heal him.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Well 2 end versions were made. One he dies, the other he lives.Maybe at the time the movie was released , he (QS) was still in contract negotiations so Whedon decided to play it safe & release the "death version".
If QS is in the next one, they'll simply do a flashback of Dr. Cho using her machine to heal him.
Didn't know about that. Thanks for the info.
I hope they don't use that even though I want Pietro back.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
YES. In COMICS it happens. It's bad enough they do it in comics. I don't want that in my movies.
We are discussing comic based movies, aren't we?
Why is it so easy to suspend our beliefs that these characters have super powers but show disgust when they're brought back from the dead?
I mean...ok he got shot. We see shock, sadness & anger.
We see his still body lying on the transport ship next to Hawkeye....
What we don't see is a sheet covering his corpse.
Just saying.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
We are discussing comic based movies, aren't we?Why is it so easy to suspend our beliefs that these characters have super powers but show disgust when they're brought back from the dead?
I mean...ok he got shot. We see shock, sadness & anger.
We see his still body lying on the transport ship next to Hawkeye....What we don't see is a sheet covering his corpse.
Just saying.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
1) No, we're discussing politics.
2) Because it completely cheapens every single possible threat ever. If ANYONE can be brought back at ANY time, why the fk am I watching the movies? There is no drama. Death or threats become a laughingstock that the good guys can just say, "Eh, we have a cradle that can bring us back" or, "Let's use Kree DNA like Coulson"
Don't understand what you mean about "politics"?
And I think every threat is already cheapened, knowing the good guys will always prevail...and win.
Ticking time bomb? Nuclear warhead?
Always seconds to spare. Everybody slaps eachother on the back...roll credits.
Alien Invasion/Mass Robot Army. We have a Hulk that's very angry & can't be killed or injured.
Hawkeye & his limited supply of arrows, not even a gun to fall back on....no one stops to consider whether he's more a liability than an asset.
Ultron?
Vision gets conveniently created with far superior powers than main bad guy.
Comic book movie.
Comic book formula.
Originally posted by Esau CairnNo, had Coulson not been brought back from the dead, that would have been a fairly significant death. If QS is truly dead than no it's not a joke, as not everyone came back. Also, do you really think that everyone is always going to make it back alive? NO. Infinity War is going to kill SOMEONE big, not sure who, or even how many. But you're right. Why are we even here. Why watch comic movies at all? According to you, you already know that every hero ever will always come back.
Don't understand what you mean about "politics"?And I think every threat is already cheapened, knowing the good guys will always prevail...and win.
Ticking time bomb? Nuclear warhead?
Always seconds to spare. Everybody slaps eachother on the back...roll credits.Alien Invasion/Mass Robot Army. We have a Hulk that's very angry & can't be killed or injured.
Hawkeye & his limited supply of arrows, not even a gun to fall back on....no one stops to consider whether he's more a liability than an asset.
Ultron?
Vision gets conveniently created with far superior powers than main bad guy.Comic book movie.
Comic book formula.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No, had Coulson not been brought back from the dead, that would have been a fairly significant death. If QS is truly dead than no it's not a joke, as not everyone came back. Also, do you really think that everyone is always going to make it back alive? NO. Infinity War is going to kill SOMEONE big, not sure who, or even how many. But you're right. Why are we even here. Why watch comic movies at all? According to you, you already know that every hero ever will always come back.
Coulson's death was both tragic & a shock. It was the defining point for the Avengers to form.
Fanboys cried & voiced their anger. Hollywood saw potential $$$ & brought him back on TV. Then Coulson's character became a joke with his constant shrugging off of his own death.
And you're absolutely right. A major character will die in the next Avengers movie. But all that equates to is that a) Major star's contract is over & b) Major star wants out of the franchise.
I never said every hero will never die or be brought back from the dead.
It's simply a fact that alternate endings were filmed for the purpose of QuickSilver to be conveniently written back in.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Coulson's death was both tragic & a shock. It was the defining point for the Avengers to form.
Fanboys cried & voiced their anger. Hollywood saw potential $$$ & brought him back on TV. Then Coulson's character became a joke with his constant shrugging off of his own death.And you're absolutely right. A major character will die in the next Avengers movie. But all that equates to is that a) Major star's contract is over & b) Major star wants out of the franchise.
I never said every hero will never die or be brought back from the dead.
It's simply a fact that alternate endings were filmed for the purpose of QuickSilver to be conveniently written back in.
You either like heroes being brought back in film, or you don't. I don't. What's your angle because you are basically just filling posts with nonsense.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaThat's a good question. If you bothered to read my above statements, you'd see that I said the same thing about QS. The point is, if they just bring him back to life, it further cheapens death in the MCU. It's incredibly dumb to kill off a character only to bring them back. It's bad in comics, but it's 100% worse in movies.
Wait why is QS death even a big deal to begin with? Its not like the audience had any time to actually connect to the character nor was he made out to be a major player.