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carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure does, but to the levels your implying Wendigo was at? Haha not even close .
Ummmm...what? How does that scan prove it wasn't? So he got fuled by gamma energy became the Hulk basically. Not even the same thing here so that's a faulty comparison. Wolverine becoming Hulk is not the same as Wendigo growing tall.
right right clearly I'm reaching. A class 100 amped 1000x who did nothing to suggest he was at those levels other then hyberbole statement somehow is more logical? Lulz. Oh and how did this uber Wendigo get beat? Wasn't by Hulk punching him, it was being thrown at something. Shame his 1000X strength didn't translate to his durability eh?
I repeat.....If you don't feel Bi-beast or Wendigo amped by 1000x weren't world breakers, then I guess you don't think Savage Hulk amped 1000x would be either. Hmmmm....

Its to exactly the same thing. Wolverine was amped off of Hulk but he didn't become the Hulk. Wendigo and Bi Beast was amped. Wolverine amp was only stated on panel but he did the same things he did before and that was slash and kick. What proof do we have on have that he was amplified to Hulks level (which was stated on panel) unless we go by what indication was given. 2 overindulgence doesn't have to perform every ft Hulk did to prove he was more powerful. That's like me saying Hulk wasn't amped when he became WWH since he didn't perform every lifting ft Savage Hulk has done throughout history.

Again, if you were the writer, what would you have had them do to prove they were amped a 1000 fold? What were you expecting the writer have them do in the comic? Simple question.

Lol...World Breaker Hulk was amped to the point that he became the height of buildings and he didn't do close to the damage his smaller holding back self did with a footstep...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html

Using your style of debating, the smaller World Breaker is more powerful. Yeah right.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
Do something to suggest he was at those levels as again as base Wendigo was equal to Savage Hulk a Wendigo that is amped x1000 would be a world breaker. Or do you feel Savage Hulk amped x1000 wouldn't be either?
Why are you posting that again? Wolverine became hulk and was fuled with gamma...Wendigo grew in height. ZOMG...EXACTLY THE SAME THING

The Hulk stopped them before things got out of hand, which is what he was trying to do according to the story, and what he did. There are many things that make little sense in comics, but he stopped them easily, and it was canon. The measurement was canon as well even if you don't like it. When he tossed them into the vessel we have no idea what energy they were hit with once the impact occurred. This is not something that needs to be known, and is irrelevant to the topic of how powerful they were.

If a guy touched down on Marvel Earth, and had the power of over 113 Hercules level beings, he would be one hell of a tough guy to defeat, but the Hulk was able to take a hit to his internal organs, and survived it, and he was in a relatively calm state. When Captain Marvel was turned inside out, was that hype? No of course not, because it was on panel. Well so was the feat of the Hulk treating Bi-Beast, and Wendigo like weaklings. That was on panel as well. It was 100% canon, like it or not.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -K-M-
Do something to suggest he was at those levels as again as base Wendigo was equal to Savage Hulk a Wendigo that is amped x1000 would be a world breaker. Or do you feel Savage Hulk amped x1000 wouldn't be either?
Why are you posting that again? Wolverine became hulk and was fuled with gamma...Wendigo grew in height. ZOMG...EXACTLY THE SAME THING

How about this..
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html

Is this better? World Breaker Hulk amplified but his fts aren't comparable to his smaller size. Why didn't Pak write him destroying united states just by pressing his pinky toe onto the ground?

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by carver9
Its to exactly the same thing. Wolverine was amped off of Hulk but he didn't become the Hulk. Wendigo and Bi Beast was amped. Wolverine amp was only stated on panel but he did the same things he did before and that was slash and kick. What proof do we have on have that he was amplified to Hulks level (which was stated on panel) unless we go by what indication was given. 2 overindulgence doesn't have to perform every ft Hulk did to prove he was more powerful. That's like me saying Hulk wasn't amped when he became WWH since he didn't perform every lifting ft Savage Hulk has done throughout history.
Again, if you were the writer, what would you have had them do to prove they were amped a 1000 fold? What were you expecting the writer have them do in the comic? Simple question.
Lol...World Breaker Hulk was amped to the point that he became the height of buildings and he didn't do close to the damage his smaller holding back self did with a footstep...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html
Using your style of debating, the smaller World Breaker is more powerful. Yeah right.

Having two different amps not even remotely the same is apparently....the same? Love your logic. Being amped by completely different powersource and different abilities is exactly the same thing? Good to know. again what do you have to prove he actually was x1000 stronger other then hyberbole? Did he do anything close to showing those levels? Were they even world breakers? No. How were these super uber power beings defeated again? Oh right...got thrown into space and hit a ship. Which oddly did no damage to the ship either...hmmmm...very uber.

Simple it was the Bi-beast boasting and who was his boasting to? Himself or his skull brother. Where did the number 1000x come from? Why that exact number? Exaggeration? More likely then not. Honestly this your first time seeing exaggerations or hyberbole in text before?

and yet tiny Hulk was nearly destroying the seaboard with a step. Now as I said prove to me they were world breaker and it wasn't simply boasting. Hmmmmmm...

again how did this uber beings get beat again? Wasn't by being KO'ed by the Hulk. He actually wasn't close to doing it. It was throwing them into space and colliding with a ship. Uber powerful.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by carver9
How about this..
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html
Is this better? World Breaker Hulk amplified but his fts aren't comparable to his smaller size. Why didn't Pak write him destroying united states just by pressing his pinky toe onto the ground?

Considering that Hulk did destroy the dimension shortly after interesting stuff. Also are you implying the Hulk that 1000x stronger Bi-beast and 1000x stronger Wendigo was the same power?

Proves my point if a weaker Hulk then the Hulk you posted could easily beat two world breakers you don't see any issue with that? Lulz. Also again how did Hulk beat them again?

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk stopped them before things got out of hand, which is what he was trying to do according to the story, and what he did. There are many things that make little sense in comics, but he stopped them easily, and it was canon. The measurement was canon as well even if you don't like it. When he tossed them into the vessel we have no idea what energy they were hit with once the impact occurred. This is not something that needs to be known, and is irrelevant to the topic of how powerful they were.
If a guy touched down on Marvel Earth, and had the power of over 113 Hercules level beings, he would be one hell of a tough guy to defeat, but the Hulk was able to take a hit to his internal organs, and survived it, and he was in a relatively calm state. When Captain Marvel was turned inside out, was that hype? No of course not, because it was on panel. Well so was the feat of the Hulk treating Bi-Beast, and Wendigo like weaklings. That was on panel as well. It was 100% canon, like it or not.

Again we have rules as per the board. If there is no evidence they were actually at those levels other then Bi-Beast boasting to himself then how can you say that is actually true? You can't. Did they even demonstate anything to indicate they were even operating at those powers? Definetly not considering how easily they were beat by being thrown into a ship (ship had no damage either)

Or for sure, it's a damn impressive feat. Huge feat, but very unlikely he was at 113 Hercules level beings. Again did he demonstate any power to indicate that was true? No. Hence were back to hyberbole or exaggeration. I never said it was not-canon, I'm saying prove to me they were 1000x stronger then their base form. No more no less. Hulk beat amped versions no doubt, but prove they were actually 1000x stronger and it simply wasn't bi-beast just spouting off?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering that Hulk did destroy the dimension shortly after interesting stuff. Also are you implying the Hulk that 1000x stronger Bi-beast and 1000x stronger Wendigo was the same power?
Proves my point if a weaker Hulk then the Hulk you posted could easily beat two world breakers you don't see any issue with that? Lulz. Also again how did Hulk beat them again?

I'll reply to this since it is based on the same topic with my previous post.

The only way we will know how much of an amp they had is if the writer had them tell us. What did you expect Pak to do, have Hulk wish a machine in front of Bi Beast and Wendigo that'll throw out numbers for us on how amped they were?

But what proof do you have that giant Hulk is more powerful than the smaller version?

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
Having two different amps not even remotely the same is apparently....the same? Love your logic. Being amped by completely different powersource and different abilities is exactly the same thing? Good to know. again what do you have to prove he actually was x1000 stronger other then hyberbole? Did he do anything close to showing those levels? Were they even world breakers? No. How were these super uber power beings defeated again? Oh right...got thrown into space and hit a ship. Which oddly did no damage to the ship either...hmmmm...very uber.
Simple it was the Bi-beast boasting and who was his boasting to? Himself or his skull brother. Where did the number 1000x come from? Why that exact number? Exaggeration? More likely then not. Honestly this your first time seeing exaggerations or hyberbole in text before?
and yet tiny Hulk was nearly destroying the seaboard with a step. Now as I said prove to me they were world breaker and it wasn't simply boasting. Hmmmmmm...
again how did this uber beings get beat again? Wasn't by being KO'ed by the Hulk. He actually wasn't close to doing it. It was throwing them into space and colliding with a ship. Uber powerful.

You have the wrong stance here, it is not for anyone to prove that they were not this level, you have to prove that they weren't, and since on panel statements outweigh opinion you are wrong, and will never be able to disprove it. They were overcome before they ever became more of a threat than they were. What is it about that, that you do not understand? Should we seek a ruling from the Moderator's to decide whether or not they were amplified? The Wishing Well gave them this power, and they were stated to have been 1000 times their base levels. Pak was not going to write them destroying Marvel Earth, and thus he chose to end it quickly.

Your continued questioning of the feat after given a reason seems trollish TBH, and if someone were to question an on panel feat or showing that you brought forward proven as being canon, you would think the same.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering that Hulk did destroy the dimension shortly after interesting stuff. Also are you implying the Hulk that 1000x stronger Bi-beast and 1000x stronger Wendigo was the same power?
Proves my point if a weaker Hulk then the Hulk you posted could easily beat two world breakers you don't see any issue with that? Lulz. Also again how did Hulk beat them again?

He did not allow them to become this kind of a threat. This was on panel. He immediately neutralized them. It had nothing to do with him being 1000 time greater than their amplified forms, but simply that he was more powerful than them in those forms. Powerful enough to defeat them.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by carver9
I'll reply to this since it is based on the same topic with my previous post.
The only way we will know how much of an amp they had is if the writer had them tell us. What did you expect Pak to do, have Hulk wish a machine in front of Bi Beast and Wendigo that'll throw out numbers for us on how amped they were?
But what proof do you have that giant Hulk is more powerful than the smaller version?

Oh you know not having Bi-Beast say it to his other face to boost his confidence? Hence exaggeration. So all exaggerations and hyperboles are fair game then? Man I'm learning lots here. Seriously is this your first time seeing exaggerations or hyperboles in text?

Oh you know how he destroyed a dimension with ease and was glowing with gamma energy. Now did Wendigo or Bi-beast do anything like that? Nope. Were they even powered by the same source? Nope. Were they even that big? Nope. Did they get beat by being thrown into a ship? You betcha and from a "weaker" version of Hulk too.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again we have rules as per the board. If there is no evidence they were actually at those levels other then Bi-Beast boasting to himself then how can you say that is actually true? You can't. Did they even demonstate anything to indicate they were even operating at those powers? Definetly not considering how easily they were beat by being thrown into a ship (ship had no damage either)
Or for sure, it's a damn impressive feat. Huge feat, but very unlikely he was at 113 Hercules level beings. Again did he demonstate any power to indicate that was true? No. Hence were back to hyberbole or exaggeration. I never said it was not-canon, I'm saying prove to me they were 1000x stronger then their base form. No more no less. Hulk beat amped versions no doubt, but prove they were actually 1000x stronger and it simply wasn't bi-beast just spouting off?

Wrong. Actual numbers were given. You just choose to ignore what was written on panel, and decided to say that it was hyperbole, but have no evidence aside from a sneaking suspicion to stand on. This is not good enough to dismiss what was written on panel. The writer gave us a number. If you turn around and give a number as to how amplified they were, this would be wrong. As a matter of fact, since you know so much about what the writers intentions were, why don't you tell me how many times more powerful were they than their base forms? Give me a solid number, because it seems as if you were the one to have written the book.

Hope was measured by a Scientist, and the entity was stated to be above 113 Hercules level beings composed in one being. This was not hyperbole. Was Superman benching the Earth's weight for one week hyperbole as well? Did we see him bench a planet for that amount of time? Yet this isn't placed under your scrutiny. What you are doing is trolling. It doesn't matter either way, because none of these guys together would beat WW Hulk based on what was written about him on panel. He would simply go about one shot KOing them one after the other, like he did to Ares when he face planted him.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Stoic
You have the wrong stance here, it is not for anyone to prove that they were not this level, you have to prove that they weren't, and since on panel statements outweigh opinion you are wrong, and will never be able to disprove it. They were overcome before they ever became more of a threat than they were. What is it about that, that you do not understand? Should we seek a ruling from the Moderator's to decide whether or not they were amplified? The Wishing Well gave them this power, and they were stated to have been 1000 times their base levels. Pak was not going to write them destroying Marvel Earth, and thus he chose to end it quickly.
Your continued questioning of the feat after given a reason seems trollish TBH, and if someone were to question an on panel feat or showing that you brought forward proven as being canon, you would think the same.
He did not allow them to become this kind of a threat. This was on panel. He immediately neutralized them. It had nothing to do with him being 1000 time greater than their amplified forms, but simply that he was more powerful than them in those forms. Powerful enough to defeat them.

haha what? So we take comments of people trying to boost the confidence of themselves? Wow. All hyberboles are true unless proven otherwise then. You folks don't stop with the gems. Sure they were amped, but 1000x? Prove it.

Yes...lets. I'll post the scans shortly

Right...right...right. Accept everything don't question it. Especially when you two are huge Hulk supporters. Also didn't you also argue Namor was class 70? Hmmmm? Can't prove your argument, so thus I must be trolling. Another gem.

He neutralized them by throwing them into a ship. He didn't physically do it himself. So now the question is...why even bring that showing up?

FYI, now where in the comics did they say it was the same Wendigo that fought Hulk and Sasquatch

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong. Actual numbers were given. You just choose to ignore what was written on panel, and decided to say that it was hyperbole, but have no evidence aside from a sneaking suspicion to stand on. This is not good enough to dismiss what was written on panel. The writer gave us a number. If you turn around and give a number as to how amplified they were, this would be wrong. As a matter of fact, since you know so much about what the writers intentions were, why don't you tell me how many times more powerful were they than their base forms? Give me a solid number, because it seems as if you were the one to have written the book.
Hope was measured by a Scientist, and the entity was stated to be above 113 Hercules level beings composed in one being. This was not hyperbole. Was Superman benching the Earth's weight for one week hyperbole as well? Did we see him bench a planet for that amount of time? Yet this isn't placed under your scrutiny. What you are doing is trolling. It doesn't matter either way, because none of these guys together would beat WW Hulk based on what was written about him on panel. He would simply go about one shot KOing them one after the other, like he did to Ares when he face planted him.

Yes and Sentry has the power of a million exploding suns then. Numbers.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes and Sentry has the power of a million exploding suns then. Numbers.

And he may have this power, because we have no idea how small these stars could be.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
haha what? So we take comments of people trying to boost the confidence of themselves? Wow. All hyberboles are true unless proven otherwise then. You folks don't stop with the gems. Sure they were amped, but 1000x? Prove it.
Yes...lets. I'll post the scans shortly
Right...right...right. Accept everything don't question it. Especially when you two are huge Hulk supporters. Also didn't you also argue Namor was class 70? Hmmmm? Can't prove your argument, so thus I must be trolling. Another gem.
He neutralized them by throwing them into a ship. He didn't physically do it himself. So now the question is...why even bring that showing up?
FYI, now where in the comics did they say it was the same Wendigo that fought Hulk and Sasquatch

I don't have to prove it, you have to disprove it. You see our positions here? I am going on what was stated on panel, you are going on opinion, which one holds more weight? Considering what the Hulk was capable of during that era, I don't see any of it as being ridiculous. He destroyed a planet in an in air collision for crying out loud. He wasn't even on the planet.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Stoic
And he may have this power, because we have no idea how small these stars could be.

Haha seriously that's your answer?

Ok what about Superman lifting all of eternity then? Legit then?

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Stoic
I don't have to prove it, you have to disprove it. You see our positions here? I am going on what was stated on panel, you are going on opinion, which one holds more weight? Considering what the Hulk was capable of during that era, I don't see any of it as being ridiculous. He destroyed a planet in an in air collision for crying out loud. He wasn't even on the planet.

Which one that holds more weight? Probably the one that doesn't rely on a random comment as fact. What's more logical is the fact he said that comment to himself to boost his confidence as well as how he never actually did anything to back up that random number.

He also had Red She Hulk with him that helped. Also that wasn't even the same power level of the Hulk that fought Wendigo or Bi-Beast.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh you know not having Bi-Beast say it to his other face to boost his confidence? Hence exaggeration. So all exaggerations and hyperboles are fair game then? Man I'm learning lots here. Seriously is this your first time seeing exaggerations or hyperboles in text?
Oh you know how he destroyed a dimension with ease and was glowing with gamma energy. Now did Wendigo or Bi-beast do anything like that? Nope. Were they even powered by the same source? Nope. Were they even that big? Nope. Did they get beat by being thrown into a ship? You betcha and from a "weaker" version of Hulk too.

There's a difference between hyperbole and the writer telling us how powerful an amp made a character.

Again, small Hulk fts>>> big Hulk fts. Your argument doesn't add up. If small World Breaker was able to take a footstep and nearly destroy the eastern sea board, wouldn't he be stronger than the tall one that STOMPED but didn't achieve nearly the same results? We are basing this off of "what a character is suppose to do within a limited amount of time".

Tall Hulk didn't do anything like that and Bi Beast and Wendigo didn't either because for one, Earth isn't a fodder planet and two, the plot didn't call for them to destroy the planet, let alone the city.

Lol...they were humongous. Hulk is 12 ft. Compare them to him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/7815942/Incredible_Hulks_631_013.jpg.html

-K-M- ...........

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Mods Ruling
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Hulk vs. Wendigo & Bi-Beast
Incredible Hulks #161

So mods can you make a ruling on this? (no scans were removed). Was it option A or B?

A) Bi-beast and Wendigo were actually amped 1000x from the scans posted.

B) It was simply a throwaway comment meant as exaggeration or hyperbole of Bi-beast boasting to himself to build his Skull Brother's confidence? Keep in mind it's actually in character for Bi-Beast to make those comments. Were they amped? Sure. But 1000x?

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha seriously that's your answer?
Ok what about Superman lifting all of eternity then? Legit then?

Never read the story, but it seems that incredible news requires incredible proof, and that is far greater than Wendigo, and Bi-Beast being transformed to be 1000 times greater than their base in terms of power level. There is plenty proof that the Hulk of that era was capable of dealing with beings of this power level, since we later saw him turn his power level up even beyond this level. Far beyond that level actually.

Was Superman benching the Earth's weight for days on end hyperbole as well, or do you accept that as a legit feat? Either way, as I said these guys that he is against in this thread do not possess the necessary power to win against him, based on what he was able to do before going to world breaker levels, nor would it require him to go beyond the level that he did when he nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard with a mere foot fall. He was also holding himself back with all of his might, and begging to be stopped.

You also attempted to call me out on forum rules but are the first person trying to bend them with your Tanaraq attempt, when the OP called for Sasquatch, and not Tanaraq. All the same the Hulk wins this.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by -K-M-
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[b]Mods Ruling
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Hulk vs. Wendigo & Bi-Beast
Incredible Hulks #161
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201107_zps43822c87.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201111_zpsa565606b.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201112_zps9388d37a.jpg *Grow in size
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201113_zpsfea887a0.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201114_zps49045cd9.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201115_zps79fb0fc6.jpg *Bi-beast makes his 1000x stronger comment
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201116_zps0ca4d17a.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201117_zps9731bf23.jpg
9. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201118_zps9150af0b.jpg
10. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201119_zps3f1ba64f.jpg
11. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201120_zps2400c1d2.jpg
12. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201121_zps3249a146.jpg
So mods can you make a ruling on this? (no scans were removed). Was it option A or B?
A) Bi-beast and Wendigo were actually amped 1000x from the scans posted.
B) It was simply a throwaway comment meant as exaggeration or hyperbole of Bi-beast boasting to himself to build his Skull Brother's confidence? Keep in mind it's actually in character for Bi-Beast to make those comments. Were they amped? Sure. But 1000x? [/B]

And what of the Scientists measurements of Hope's power level? Keeping in mind that the Hulk was hit from the inside of his body by this being. Was she also boasting, or can this be what it was meant to be on panel? Also keeping in mind that the Hulk was taken by surprise, and did not have much time if any to amplify himself significantly before taking the hit to his internal organs. Is that also hyperbole?

Why didn't the writer say 2 times more powerful 5, 10, 30? Why was it written 1000 times? Because it was the number that will go down in canon, whether you like it or not.