WWH vs 25 Things, 25 Colossus, 25 Luke Cages & 25 Sasquatchs

Originally posted by Stoic
Never read the story, but it seems that incredible news requires incredible proof, and that is far greater than Wendigo, and Bi-Beast being transformed to be 1000 times greater than their base in terms of power level. There is plenty proof that the Hulk of that era was capable of dealing with beings of this power level, since we later saw him turn his power level up even beyond this level. Far beyond that level actually.

Was Superman benching the Earth's weight for days on end hyperbole as well, or do you accept that as a legit feat? Either way, as I said these guys that he is against in this thread do not possess the necessary power to win against him, based on what he was able to do before going to world breaker levels, nor would it require him to go beyond the level that he did when he nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard with a mere foot fall. He was also holding himself back with all of his might, and begging to be stopped.

You also attempted to call me out on forum rules but are the first person trying to bend them with your Tanaraq attempt, when the OP called for Sasquatch, and not Tanaraq. All the same the Hulk wins this.

He actually did it twice. Lifting the Infinity Book (w/ Captain Marvel) and Spectre (w/ Wonder Woman). If you actually want the scans I can get them

Nope, because it actually showed him do it rather then throw a off-hand remark. Do you really not see the difference? One actually showed the level of strength, another made a random comment about being 1000x stronger with no backing 😬

Ummm what? Sasquatch and Tanaraq go hand and hand. Walter admits he holds back due to fear of losing control

The more pain or rage Walter experiences or anything that can weaken his soul he runs the risk of Tanaraq taking control over him

On average no he wouldn't go Tanraq out, but it's 100% in character and there's 25 Sasquatches here...so it is NOT unreasonable to think one wouldn't.

Originally posted by Stoic
And what of the Scientists measurements of Hope's power level? Keeping in mind that the Hulk was hit from the inside of his body by this being. Was she also boasting, or can this be what it was meant to be on panel? Also keeping in mind that the Hulk was taken by surprise, and did not have much time if any to amplify himself significantly before taking the hit to his internal organs. Is that also hyperbole?

If you want Mods to get a ruling on that as well just ask. My entire discussion was the 1000x amp.

But let's keep it simple can you show proof he actually was at those levels other then the statement?

And what the hell does confidence have to do with Bi-Beast. This is Bi-Beast, not Gladiator, or an unstable minded Sentry. I mean shit.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He actually did it twice. Lifting the Infinity Book (w/ Captain Marvel) and Spectre (w/ Wonder Woman). If you actually want the scans I can get them

Nope, because it actually showed him do it rather then throw a off-hand remark. Do you really not see the difference? One actually showed the level of strength, another made a random comment about being 1000x stronger with no backing 😬

Ummm what? Sasquatch and Tanaraq go hand and hand. Walter admits he holds back due to fear of losing control

The more pain or rage Walter experiences or anything that can weaken his soul he runs the risk of Tanaraq taking control over him

On average no he wouldn't go Tanraq out, but it's 100% in character and there's 25 Sasquatches here...so it is NOT unreasonable to think one wouldn't.

It's 100% within the Hulk's ability for the Hulk of that era to go into World Breaker strength levels as well, but he is not in this thread, just like Tanaraq is not in this thread.

Originally posted by Stoic
And what the hell does confidence have to do with Bi-Beast. This is Bi-Beast, not Gladiator, or an unstable minded Sentry. I mean shit.

Well considering one of his heads told him not to let up (ie. not to give Hulk a change to recover) and the other replies relax were 1000x stronger trying to give him confidence it's going to be easy for them.

Confidence has nothing to do with power with them it was a statement to reassure his other mind which if you knew the character often does that. No where did I imply or even indicating their power was based on confidence. Apparently giving pep talks to someone else amps their strength. Another gem

Originally posted by -K-M-
If you want Mods to get a ruling on that as well just ask. My entire discussion was the 1000x amp.

But let's keep it simple can you show proof he actually was at those levels other then the statement?

Yes they were amplified, and it was written on panel the extent of this amp. That is my proof. It was on panel. There is no more to it, and no less. I am not exaggerating, I am working with what i am given, as should you. Anything other than what was written on panel is opinion, and that is what you are giving, an opinion, which is always outweighed by on panel proof.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's 100% within the Hulk's ability for the Hulk of that era to go into World Breaker strength levels as well, but he is not in this thread, just like Tanaraq is not in this thread.

Except that's wrong, Sasquatch is Tanaraq, Tanaraq is Sasquatch. Every day. Also the difference here is they didn't put the cap on Sasquatch...but they did Hulk. IF the original thread creater puts a cap on Walter then yes, Tanaraq is irrelevant, but he has yet to do that. So no point crying.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes they were amplified, and it was written on panel the extent of this amp. That is my proof. It was on panel. There is no more to it, and no less. I am not exaggerating, I am working with what i am given, as should you. Anything other than what was written on panel is opinion, and that is what you are giving, an opinion, which is always outweighed by on panel proof.

Yes they were amped but 1000x? haha riiiiiiight. Did Bi-beast actually test his strength to determine that? Sure didn't. Did he even have the boost long enough to actually gauge his power? Sure didn't. Did he even remotetly do anything to even indicate say even a quarter of that power level? Sure didn't. Heck, were these uber character defeated easily by being thrown into a ship? Yep. So no you do not have any proof. You're kidding yourself.

I am working with what I was given....and that was nothing other then a random comment. Which exaggerations and hyperbole are common occurrences in comics. Yet, seems to be a new thing here.

Originally posted by carver9
There's a difference between hyperbole and the writer telling us how powerful an amp made a character.

Again, small Hulk fts>>> big Hulk fts. Your argument doesn't add up. If small World Breaker was able to take a footstep and nearly destroy the eastern sea board, wouldn't he be stronger than the tall one that STOMPED but didn't achieve nearly the same results? We are basing this off of "what a character is suppose to do within a limited amount of time".

Tall Hulk didn't do anything like that and Bi Beast and Wendigo didn't either because for one, Earth isn't a fodder planet and two, the plot didn't call for them to destroy the planet, let alone the city.

Lol...they were humongous. Hulk is 12 ft. Compare them to him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/7815942/Incredible_Hulks_631_013.jpg.html

Originally posted by -K-M-
Well considering one of his heads told him not to let up (ie. not to give Hulk a change to recover) and the other replies relax were 1000x stronger trying to give him confidence it's going to be easy for them.

Confidence has nothing to do with power with them it was a statement to reassure his other mind which if you knew the character often does that. No where did I imply or even indicating their power was based on confidence. Apparently giving pep talks to someone else amps their strength. Another gem

Did Wendigo need this pep talk as well? Come on man, your grasping at things that are not there. They were getting an ass whipping, and Bi-Beast even with the amp could do nothing but go down. Why try to bring things up that were not there? These guys in this thread may be a hoard, but they will not beat WW Hulk at his best before actually going World Breaker.

Like I said the entity Hope would speed kill this grouping. Was the Scientist lying about her readings?

Originally posted by Stoic
Did Wendigo need this pep talk as well? Come on man, your grasping at things that are not there. They were getting an ass whipping, and Bi-Beast even with the amp could do nothing but go down. Why try to bring things up that were not there? These guys in this thread may be a hoard, but they will not beat WW Hulk at his best before actually going World Breaker.

Like I said the entity Hope would speed kill this grouping. Was the Scientist lying about her readings?

Are you dumb? Seriously. How do you not get this? Bi-beast has two heads...they talk to each other...they had a conversation. One didn't want them to let up against on Hulk for him to recover, the other told him to relax as they are amped and they got this. Their power has nothing to do with confidence. It was a statement for his other half to relax "he has this". Haha yep two "world breakers" got easily beaten by Hulk by being thrown into a ship...kind of proves the point they weren't actually boosted x1000.

Did she test Hercules too? Again do I actually care about the scientist? No. You brought it up. In fact the scientist has more credibility then an off-hand remark by Bi-beast. 160x stronger compared to 1000x stronger. Little difference eh?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes they were amped but 1000x? haha riiiiiiight. Did Bi-beast actually test his strength to determine that? Sure didn't. Did he even have the boost long enough to actually gauge his power? Sure didn't. Did he even remotetly do anything to even indicate say even a quarter of that power level? Sure didn't. Heck, were these uber character defeated easily by being thrown into a ship? Yep. So no you do not have any proof. You're kidding yourself.

I am working with what I was given....and that was nothing other then a random comment. Which exaggerations and hyperbole are common occurrences in comics. Yet, seems to be a new thing here.

The Hulk of that era went beyond that level. BB, and Wendi were just a foreshadowing of the events that led up to the crazy feats that the Hulk was about to show the reader that he was capable of. It even states on panel that he held back the entire time, as he drops his foot to the ground. This would have been argued as hype as well, but we actually see him prove it during the HOTM arc. Even when we saw what went on in that arc, it was placed under scrutiny, and many people even tried to say that the Dark Dimension was made of fluff, which is why he was capable of such wide scale destruction. You're doing the exact same thing here. however all you are bringing to the table is opinion.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except that's wrong, Sasquatch is Tanaraq, Tanaraq is Sasquatch. Every day. Also the difference here is they didn't put the cap on Sasquatch...but they did Hulk. IF the original thread creater puts a cap on Walter then yes, Tanaraq is irrelevant, but he has yet to do that. So no point crying.

World breaker is Hulk, Hulk is world breaker. You see? Neither are in this thread.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk of that era went beyond that level. BB, and Wendi were just a foreshadowing of the events that led up to the crazy feats that the Hulk was about to show the reader that he was capable of. It even states on panel that he held back the entire time, as he drops his foot to the ground. This would have been argued as hype as well, but we actually see him prove it during the HOTM arc. Even when we saw what went on in that arc, it was placed under scrutiny, and many people even tried to say that the Dark Dimension was made of fluff, which is why he was capable of such wide scale destruction. You're doing the exact same thing here. however all you are bringing to the table is opinion.

Exactly, Hulk became stronger and actually destroyed the dimension/moon or whatever. However, he actually wasn't at those levels when he supposedly fought two "world breakers" and easily beat them. Amped sure, but 1000x amp very unlikely especially how easily they were defeated

No I give full credit for Hulk what he did in the dark dimension. However, he wasn't at those levels when he fought the duo. Can you explain the fluff arguement? As it wasn't in the astral plane so don't get why they would say that

Originally posted by Stoic
World breaker is Hulk, Hulk is world breaker. You see? Neither are in this thread.

*facepalm* One character has a cap in this thread....the other? Does not. Not the same thing. Not once did anyone say no Tanraq, or no Sasquatch boosting. COuld they? Sure. Full rights to do it, but they haven't yet. Did they put a cap on Hulk? Sure did.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you dumb? Seriously. How do you not get this? Bi-beast has two heads...they talk to each other...they had a conversation. One didn't want them to let up against on Hulk for him to recover, the other told him to relax as they are amped and they got this. Their power has nothing to do with confidence. It was a statement for his other half to relax "he has this". Haha yep two "world breakers" got easily beaten by Hulk by being thrown into a ship...kind of proves the point they weren't actually boosted x1000.

Did she test Hercules too? Again do I actually care about the scientist? No. You brought it up. In fact the scientist has more credibility then an off-hand remark by Bi-beast. 160x stronger compared to 1000x stronger. Little difference eh?

I'm wondering the same about you. Are you dumb, is is this an act? The Hulk does not have a static level of strength, did i have to explain that to you? The rest of that stupid shit that you brought up is irrelevant, you know it, and I know it. It was stated on panel that they were amplified 1000 times base, and this is what they were until the writer says that they were not. Why didn't he write them as being 15 times greater? This could have easily been written, but it was not. We were given a concrete number, and whether you like it or not, it is as canon as Superman's ability to fly.

Originally posted by -K-M-
If you don't feel Bi-beast or Wendigo amped by 1000x weren't world breakers, then I guess you don't think Savage Hulk amped 1000x would be either. Hmmmm....

Originally posted by -K-M-
again Bi-beast was equal to Savage Hulk so multiplying him by 1000x would make him a world breaker. What did he do to even suggest he actually was at those levels?

Are you just trolling Carver or are you being serious?

Because these arguments are....

Originally posted by -K-M-
*facepalm* One character has a cap in this thread....the other? Does not. Not the same thing. Not once did anyone say no Tanraq, or no Sasquatch boosting. COuld they? Sure. Full rights to do it, but they haven't yet. Did they put a cap on Hulk? Sure did.

Tanaraq is not Sasquatch. Tanaraq is not in the OP. The Hulk could go World Breaker, but the minute he does the match is over, and he loses. The minute Tanaraq shows up he gets booted, he is not in the thread. How is this so hard for you to understand? What the hell does that have to do with these guys beating WW Hulk? What do they possess in terms of power that make you or anyone believe that they are going to win? 1 or 100, these guys are one shot away from being KO'd. Can the Hulk throw 100 punches? A whole lot of nothing is still nothing.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm wondering the same about you. Are you dumb, is is this an act? The Hulk does not have a static level of strength, did i have to explain that to you? The rest of that stupid shit that you brought up is irrelevant, you know it, and I know it. It was stated on panel that they were amplified 1000 times base, and this is what they were until the writer says that they were not. Why didn't he write them as being 15 times greater? This could have easily been written, but it was not. We were given a concrete number, and whether you like it or not, it is as canon as Superman's ability to fly.

haha what? Never said he did. How is it irrelevant? Your trying so hard to cling to a random comment and have nothing credible to back it up and then throw out confidence somehow equals power which is faulty and not true.

Why didn't he eh? You know what exaggeration means?

Using high numbers is the very point of it 😬 Wow....now you don't even know what exaggeration means? Not doing yourself wonders here

Originally posted by Stoic
Tanaraq is not Sasquatch. Tanaraq is not in the OP. The Hulk could go World Breaker, but the minute he does the match is over, and he loses. The minute Tanaraq shows up he gets booted, he is not in the thread. How is this so hard for you to understand? What the hell does that have to do with these guys beating WW Hulk? What do they possess in terms of power that make you or anyone believe that they are going to win? 1 or 100, these guys are one shot away from being KO'd. Can the Hulk throw 100 punches? A whole lot of nothing is still nothing.

Uuuuuh he is, even Snowbird in the scan I posted says he is one in the same. Walter pulls power from him, if you remove Tanraq you take away his ability to increase his strength (not even talking about him going full tanraq). There's also 25 Sasquatch here, the chances of one losing control is far more likely then not. Sasquatch is base level class 90, but has the ability like hulk to amp his strength pulling power from Tanaraq (again not even talking about going full tanaraq mode)

Again one had an established cap, the other does not. Cry cry cry cry cry that's the rest of your post

Can the thread creator put a cap in Sasquatch? Sure he can. Then Tanaraq won't be brought up again.