WWH vs 25 Things, 25 Colossus, 25 Luke Cages & 25 Sasquatchs

Originally posted by -K-M-
haha what? Never said he did. How is it irrelevant? Your trying so hard to cling to a random comment and have nothing credible to back it up and then throw out confidence somehow equals power which is faulty and not true.

Why didn't he eh? You know what exaggeration means?

Using high numbers is the very point of it 😬 Wow....now you don't even know what exaggeration means? Not doing yourself wonders here

I know full well what the word means idiot, that is what you're calling me correct? Well back at ya idiot. It was on panel, and the reason that all of this is irrelevant is because these guys have no means of beating WW Hulk, who displayed enough power against Ares alone while calm to put him out with one hit, he wouldn't even have to go up to levels that would disqualify him in a forum debate against these guys.

If he took it up to when he caught a vision of Caiera being killed, he would easily one shot KO any of these guys, and do it in less than 5 minutes. Are you still with me here on the relevance of the circular debate that has lasted far too long on this subject? Relevance. Should I look up the word for you?

Originally posted by Stoic
I know full well what the number means idiot, that is what you're calling me correct? Well back at ya idiot. It was on panel, and the reason that all of this is irrelevant is because these guys have no means of beating WW Hulk, who displayed enough power against Ares alone while calm to put him out with one hit, he wouldn't even have to go up to levels that would disqualify him in a forum debate against these guys.

If he took it up to when he caught a vision of Caiera being killed, he would easily one shot KO any of these guys, and do it in less than 5 minutes. Are you still with me here on the relevance of the circular debate that has lasted far too long on this subject? Relevance. Should I look up the word for you?

Except you don't seem to grasp it. You keep saying "oh it was said. That means it's true. Canon" False, You can't seem to understand some people exaggerate or use hyperbole to boast themselves which isn't actually true. This isn't a new concept. When one doesn't have actually any backing to verify that statement it's taken with a grain of salt. Especially when these so called uber powerful beings were easily beaten...by being thrown into a ship.

Ummmm I posted the scans so the mods can make a ruling, but then right after you started to cry some more and started all over again. Your the one doing the circular debate 😬 Here, let's leave it to the mods AGAIN to answer and that's it. I will accept whatever they say no questions.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except you don't seem to grasp it. You keep saying "oh it was said. That means it's true. Canon" False, You can't seem to understand some people exaggerate or use hyperbole to boast themselves which isn't actually true. This isn't a new concept. When one doesn't have actually any backing to verify that statement it's taken with a grain of salt. Especially when these so called uber powerful beings were easily beaten...by being thrown into a ship.

Ummmm I posted the scans so the mods can make a ruling, but then right after you started to cry some more and started all over again. Your the one doing the circular debate 😬 Here, let's leave it to the mods AGAIN to answer and that's it. I will accept whatever they say no questions.

How about we agree to disagree on the feat. I believe what I reado on panel about the number. Gave my reasons for this belief, and will leave it there. It's a circular debate that is going nowhere, nor will you convince me that your opinion outweighs what was written in a fictional book where extraordinary things happen, Should I look that word up for you as well? Extraordinary being the word.

This however is still irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The question. Let's focus on the question of the thread, and not be sidetracked by things that neither of us will agree on? Sounds good to me.

They will lose. All of them, and it won't take them long either. As one goes down it will make the group as a collective weaker by that amount. Eventually he will be standing against one guy, and that one guy will get a one shot like the rest of his team. This is what is relevant. All of the other crap is just opinion versus what was written on panel. Even if you disagree you will never be able to give a concrete number of just how powerful they were, so how does any of it matter? Right, it does not matter.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except you don't seem to grasp it. You keep saying "oh it was said. That means it's true. Canon" False, You can't seem to understand some people exaggerate or use hyperbole to boast themselves which isn't actually true. This isn't a new concept. When one doesn't have actually any backing to verify that statement it's taken with a grain of salt. Especially when these so called uber powerful beings were easily beaten...by being thrown into a ship.

Ummmm I posted the scans so the mods can make a ruling, but then right after you started to cry some more and started all over again. Your the one doing the circular debate 😬 Here, let's leave it to the mods AGAIN to answer and that's it. I will accept whatever they say no questions.

Guess what. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Do you believe it?

Yes let's agree to disagree

NOW...if Tanaraq is not allowed then yes changes things. As correct me if I'm wrong but during WWH did he not one-shot Thing? Cage is a non-factor even 25 (Age of Ultron Cage was pretty powerful, but AR).

Originally posted by carver9
Guess what. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Do you believe it?

Guess what. that was established continuity and not a throwaway remark he made to himself. Little different eh?

Originally posted by carver9
Guess what. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor. Do you believe it?

How do you know this? Did he ever get under a universal bench press and prove this? We know that the Beyonder stated this, but can we take what he says as anything more than hyperbole? Can we take Superman benching the Earth's weight for days as anything more than hyperbole? This of course is irrelevant to the topic, but where is the line drawn on what is hyperbole, and what is canon? On panel statement? I guess that this is the only way.

Originally posted by Stoic
How do you know this? Did he ever get under a universal bench press and prove this? We know that the Beyonder stated this, but can we take what he says as anything more than hyperbole? Can we take Superman benching the Earth's weight for days as anything more than hyperbole? This of course is irrelevant to the topic, but where is the line drawn on what is hyperbole, and what is canon? On panel statement? I guess that this is the only way.

*Sigh* So we actually have multiple sources confirm that statement not just him saying it to himself. We actually saw Kurse show it in his fight with Thor as well. We also actually saw Superman do the feat in question as well as him holding up all eternity (twice). Did Bi-beast or Wendigo do anything to give that statement ANY credibility? haha not even close.

Do we accept all on-panel statements? No. Good lord no. Why oh why can't you guys get that?

You say agree to disagree and say I'm doing circular arguments but look what we have here.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes let's agree to disagree

NOW...if Tanaraq is not allowed then yes changes things. As correct me if I'm wrong but during WWH did he not one-shot Thing? Cage is a non-factor even 25 (Age of Ultron Cage was pretty powerful, but AR).

I'm assuming that these are current characters, and not some future versions of themselves. The idea of adhering to Tanaraq not being allowed in the thread is a simple one. His name is not mentioned. It is as fair, as not allowing the Hulk to go World Breaker when it was within his ability to do so in that era.

None of these guys have what it takes to beat WW Hulk collectively as a group, or on their own. It's like throwing 100 bugs at an electrified fence or 1 at it, it really doesn't matter when he can 1 shot KO them.

Originally posted by -K-M-
*Sigh* So we actually have multiple sources confirm that statement not just him saying it to himself. We actually saw Kurse show it in his fight with Thor as well. We also actually saw Superman do the feat in question as well as him holding up all eternity (twice). Did Bi-beast or Wendigo do anything to give that statement ANY credibility? haha not even close.

Do we accept all on-panel statements? No. Good lord no. Why oh why can't you guys get that?

You say agree to disagree and say I'm doing circular arguments but look what we have here.

Carver brought it up. It was irrelevant to the topic. My bad. Back on track I don't believe that they have the goods to win this based on the Hulk 1 shot dealing with Ares who is well within the strength/power bracket of all of the characters in this thread. Luke is not the only non factor, they are all non factors. Apologies for going off topic.

What in the name of crap is happening in this thread? I'm about to invade Canada, Georgia and New Jersey to get answers! ahuh

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm assuming that these are current characters, and not some future versions of themselves. The idea of adhering to Tanaraq not being allowed in the thread is a simple one. His name is not mentioned. It is as fair, as not allowing the Hulk to go World Breaker when it was within his ability to do so in that era.

Does not have to be mentioned, just like how Cytrohak isn't mentioned in every Juggernaut thread. There's 25 Sasquatch's here, all of which who draws power from him whether Walter likes it or not. Could one draw more power or turn? Don't see why not as it has happened many times. His DC-10 feat where he tossed 250 tons 1000 feet was him unconsciously pulling more power from Tanaraq (didn't become Tanaraq there, just pulled more power). Current Sasquatch was possessed by Tanaraq actually not to long ago. It was also revealed that Tanaraq now commands Surtur's demon army (not sure how that happened)

All in character, and no one put a cap on him. Until then it's fair game. I could very much see Golem ban him and don't blame him.

Does anyone have those scans where Thor arm lock with Kurse for a long period of time? Kurse couldn't budge him. I'll post it tomorrow.

Originally posted by Badabing
What in the name of crap is happening in this thread? I'm about to invade Canada, Georgia and New Jersey to get answers! ahuh

😂

I think that we ironed out the kinks Bada... Errhm, I hope.

Originally posted by Badabing
What in the name of crap is happening in this thread? I'm about to invade Canada, Georgia and New Jersey to get answers! ahuh

😂

Just friendly debate.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Does not have to be mentioned, just like how Cytrohak isn't mentioned in every Juggernaut thread. There's 25 Sasquatch's here, all of which who draws power from him whether Walter likes it or not. Could one draw more power or turn? Don't see why not as it has happened many times. His DC-10 feat where he tossed 250 tons 1000 feet was him unconsciously pulling more power from Tanaraq (didn't become Tanaraq there, just pulled more power). Current Sasquatch was possessed by Tanaraq actually not to long ago. It was also revealed that Tanaraq now commands Surtur's demon army (not sure how that happened)

All in character, and no one put a cap on him. Until then it's fair game. I could very much see Golem ban him and don't blame him.

But Tanaraq is not in the thread, and even though it is within his ability to go there, it was also within the Hulk's ability to go World breaker. Bada what do you think? Is Tanaraq allowed in this thread when he is not mentioned in the OP? If so this would be unfair to allow him to go above his level, while making the Hulk remain at WW Hulk levels. What do you think about this? Otherwise every thread that Sas is used in would have someone claim that he can go to Tanaraq levels, which would be unfair for him unless it was stated, much like the ruling placed on the Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
But Tanaraq is not in the thread, and even though it is within his ability to go there, it was also within the Hulk's ability to go World breaker. Bada what do you think? Is Tanaraq allowed in this thread when he is not mentioned in the OP? If so this would be unfair to allow him to go above his level, while making the Hulk remain at WW Hulk levels. What do you think about this?

again...Sasquatch IS TANARAQ. Also again Hulk in this thread has a cap on him. Walter did not have a cap in place

You need to ask the thread creator not Bada. For sake of arguments let's not even use Tanaraq from now on as we know the outcome if he is allowed. Base form Sasquatch is class 90 (won't be able to amp then...not talking about going full Tanaraq)

Originally posted by -K-M-
again...Sasquatch IS TANARAQ. Also again Hulk in this thread has a cap on him. Walter did not have a cap in place

You need to ask the thread creator not Bada. For sake of arguments let's not even use Tanaraq from now on as we know the outcome if he is allowed. Base form Sasquatch is class 90 (won't be able to amp then...not talking about going full Tanaraq)

And again WW Hulk was the World Breaker. You can't bar one, and allow the other. Just as it is within Sasquatches ability to go Tanaraq, it was within the Hulk's ability to go World Breaker. It is the same thing.

It should be mentioned that Tanaraq is going to be in a thread otherwise it is Sasquatch, and he remains at those levels. It's the same thing for the Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
And again WW Hulk was the World Breaker. You can't bar one, and allow the other. Just as it is within Sasquatches ability to go Tanaraq, it was within the Hulk's ability to go World Breaker. It is the same thing.

Take it up with the thread maker. I didn't put the caps on either. One DID have a cap and the other didn't. Again not my problem.

Yes it's both in their abilities, but AGAIN one was said to have a cap.....Sasquatch did not. Perhaps he forgot, or whatever. It actually doesn't even matter to me hence my original post used the sneaky joking face as it was tongue N' cheek (used it again in my next post).

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sasquatch goes elder god level....the end 😖hifty:

Originally posted by -K-M-
There's 25 Sasquatch the odds are good that at least one or two or whatever will be overtaken by Tanaraq.

😖hifty:

Even said Golem can put the cap on him and has every right to multiple times.....but again, I didn't make the rules. The person who did had a cap on one and not the other. I don't have any say who gets a cap or doesn't just the thread maker does.