WWH vs 25 Things, 25 Colossus, 25 Luke Cages & 25 Sasquatchs

Originally posted by -K-M-
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[b]Mods Ruling
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Hulk vs. Wendigo & Bi-Beast
Incredible Hulks #161

1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201107_zps43822c87.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201111_zpsa565606b.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201112_zps9388d37a.jpg *Grow in size
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201113_zpsfea887a0.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201114_zps49045cd9.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201115_zps79fb0fc6.jpg *Bi-beast makes his 1000x stronger comment
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201116_zps0ca4d17a.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201117_zps9731bf23.jpg
9. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201118_zps9150af0b.jpg
10. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201119_zps3f1ba64f.jpg
11. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201120_zps2400c1d2.jpg
12. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/06-22-201121_zps3249a146.jpg

So mods can you make a ruling on this? (no scans were removed). Was it option A or B?

A) Bi-beast and Wendigo were actually amped 1000x from the scans posted.

B) It was simply a throwaway comment meant as exaggeration or hyperbole of Bi-beast boasting to himself to build his Skull Brother's confidence? Keep in mind it's actually in character for Bi-Beast to make those comments. Were they amped? Sure. But 1000x? [/B]

The first thing i'm going to say is this: Character statements are not irrefutable evidence on the board. Too many people exaggerate in comic books for it to be a reliable source.

Maybe they wished to be x1000 stronger/more powerful. Maybe it really was granted, I don't know. What will always have more say is whether they did anything to back it up.

That said, it seems obvious that they were amped, and it doesn't take anything away from Hulk considering his other feats. Why THAT Hulk is being used in this thread though, is beyond me. The title clearly says WWH, so unless OP made a corrective post, it shouldn't be up for debate.

Is that all right, or did you want something else?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Take it up with the thread maker. I didn't put the caps on either. One DID have a cap and the other didn't. Again not my problem.

Yes it's both in their abilities, but AGAIN one was said to have a cap.....Sasquatch did not. Perhaps he forgot, or whatever. It actually doesn't even matter to me hence my original post used the sneaky joking face as it was tongue N' cheek (used it again in my next post).

Even said Golem can put the cap on him and has every right to multiple times.....but again, I didn't make the rules. The person who did had a cap on one and not the other. I don't have any say who gets a cap or doesn't just the thread maker does.

You see this is where common sense must rule over all else. Why in the world would he place a Trans character in a thread on a team of high metas? He said who he placed in the thread, and it was not Tanaraq, it was base level Sasquatch before he becomes possessed by some demonic entity well above his team.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The first thing i'm going to say is this: Character statements are not irrefutable evidence on the board. Too many people exaggerate in comic books for it to be a reliable source.

Maybe they wished to be x1000 stronger/more powerful. Maybe it really was granted, I don't know. What will always have more say is whether they did anything to back it up.

That said, it seems obvious that they were amped, and it doesn't take anything away from Hulk considering his other feats. Why THAT Hulk is being used in this thread though, is beyond me. The title clearly says WWH, so unless OP made a corrective post, it shouldn't be up for debate.

Is that all right, or did you want something else?

Actually that was the same Hulk as the one in New York, he even states such at the end of the book when he rests his foot on the ground stating that he held back the entire time. He remains the same up until Dr Doom messes around in his head when he cut him open iirc.

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually that was the same Hulk as the one in New York, he even states such at the end of the book when he rests his foot on the ground stating that he held back the entire time. He remains the same up until Dr Doom messes around in his head when he cut him open iirc.

Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The ruling was made for a reason.

If people want to use the Hulk from after the arc, all they have to do is use a different acronym.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. The ruling was made for a reason.

If people want to use the Hulk from after the arc, all they have to do is use a different acronym.

I don't understand, and the reason for this is because HOTM Hulk was the same character in terms of personality. What I thought that ruling meant, was in terms of power level disparity between his levels in WW Hulk without allowing him to actually go HOTM on the field, and the levels that he exhibited during HOTM. Also if you go back through the thread the OP starter irons out that we can use this version, and feats for him that went outside of the WW Hulk story arc, or I would have never brought up Wendigo, or Bi-Beast which was off topic to begin with. Unless I my understanding of the matter was off there.

I see there is a heated discussion going on. Without me fully back tracking Stoic what is your verdict as to who wins in this thread?

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
I see there is a heated discussion going on. Without me fully back tracking Stoic what is your verdict as to who wins in this thread?

They don't have the power to win. He could one shot each of them even below the power level that he showed at the end of the WW Hulk arc. We see how easily he put Ares down, and Ares would be above any of these guys in terms of combat ability. He would also be well into this strength, or power level of the guys in this thread. He was unable to do more than be one shot by WW Hulk, so I see the same happening to all of these guys.

As one falls the team as a collective would dwindle in overall power, and there isn't much doubt about it, they would fall. The field is basically littered with mid to high metas. WW Hulk was Trans at the end of WW Hulk arc. What do you think? For me, if I believed that he would lose, I would say so, but not to these guys.

Originally posted by Stoic
They don't have the power to win. He could one shot each of them even below the power level that he showed at the end of the WW Hulk arc. We see how easily he put Ares down, and Ares would be above any of these guys in terms of combat ability. He would also be well into this strength, or power level of the guys in this thread. He was unable to do more than be one shot by WW Hulk, so I see the same happening to all of these guys.

As one falls the team as a collective would dwindle in overall power, and there isn't much doubt about it, they would fall. The field is basically littered with mid to high metas. WW Hulk was Trans at the end of WW Hulk arc. What do you think? For me, if I believed that he would lose, I would say so, but not to these guys.

I actually agree with this. WWH was sandbagging during the entire WWH story arc. We don't even know what he was capable of. Imagine a bloodlusted WWH showing no remorse and trying to decimate everything in its path.... WWH would have succeeded in killing every hero in Manhattan. I doubt that these guys would have the stopping power to even slow him down with this much rage. Hulk messed up amped Zom Strange with a couple of punches while trying not to hurt him. I can imagine what 1 punch from hulk would do to all of these clones in the op if he actually put his full effort in and wanted to stop them for good. One thing I will add is that I dont feel Hulk was trans at the end of WWH. Unless you're talking about when he went world breaker at the end then yes.

Originally posted by Stoic
I don't understand, and the reason for this is because HOTM Hulk was the same character in terms of personality. What I thought that ruling meant, was in terms of power level disparity between his levels in WW Hulk without allowing him to actually go HOTM on the field, and the levels that he exhibited during HOTM. Also if you go back through the thread the OP starter irons out that we can use this version, and feats for him that went outside of the WW Hulk story arc, or I would have never brought up Wendigo, or Bi-Beast which was off topic to begin with. Unless I my understanding of the matter was off there.

Okay I went back and saw that Golem said that he can amp to a degree, so fair enough.

The ruling was never intended to comment on personality at all, just power exhibited and amping potential.

Originally posted by Stoic
You see this is where common sense must rule over all else. Why in the world would he place a Trans character in a thread on a team of high metas? He said who he placed in the thread, and it was not Tanaraq, it was base level Sasquatch before he becomes possessed by some demonic entity well above his team.

Originally posted by Stoic
The field is basically littered with mid to high metas. WW Hulk was Trans at the end of WW Hulk arc. What do you think? For me, if I believed that he would lose, I would say so, but not to these guys.

Lol, that's why he didn't put caps on Tanaraq? Regardless, OP hasn't placed a cap, and its too late now, anyway.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, that's why he didn't put caps on Tanaraq? Regardless, OP hasn't placed a cap, and its too late now, anyway.

If he said Tanaraq I would agree, however Walter has been Sasquatch without being possessed by the demonic entity, and he has fought to the best of his ability without Tanaraq manifesting. The OP says Sasquatch, you can attempt to bypass it if you want to, but Tanaraq is not in this thread. Common sense would, or should allow you and KM to realize that Tanaraq is far above his team, and it was not the intent of Golem to place him in this thread. I mean why not take out Luke Cage, and place 25 Mangog's in his place while we are at it?

No Hulk besides WBH is winning this fight, IMO.

Originally posted by DTM
No Hulk besides WBH is winning this fight, IMO.

None of these guys can hurt him, and yet he has the ability to casually KO each one that comes within striking distance, even a dog-pile of them would not work, because there would only be so many of them that could actually successfully attack him at once. But he like I said could take out over ten of them in a tremendous assault. They don't have the power. The Hulk nearly crippled Peter, and he was playing around with him. It would take far less to KO him than it did to bend his arms, and mess up his torso.

Ares had it out with Hercules, and Herc is nearly a Thor level combatant, they both have more combat experience than any of these guys, and the Hulk planted him like a flower. he could do the same to each one of these guys, and the more that he KO's, the weaker they become as a collective unit. They would never win, unless he sat there and allowed them to beat him. This is his fight to lose based on feats, implied power, and general damage soaking capacity.

So tell me which one of these guys could hurt him when his top level in this thread goes up to his Eastern Seaboard threatening foot fall? That was not World Breaker level, not even close. His World Breaker level was what we saw in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by Stoic
If he said Tanaraq I would agree, however Walter has been Sasquatch without being possessed by the demonic entity, and he has fought to the best of his ability without Tanaraq manifesting. The OP says Sasquatch, you can attempt to bypass it if you want to, but Tanaraq is not in this thread. Common sense would, or should allow you and KM to realize that Tanaraq is far above his team, and it was not the intent of Golem to place him in this thread. I mean why not take out Luke Cage, and place 25 Mangog's in his place while we are at it?

Well, you asked for common sense. Like you said, if no Tanaraq we have a team of 100 mid to high metas....and you and carver are using a trans level character in the form of WWh at the end of the arc.

So...yeah, common sense led me to imagine a fight where we'd have some on the same level as Hulk. Otherwise, we'd better report Golem for making a spite thread. 100 metas against a trans, none with exotic abilities? Lol.

Also:

Originally posted by Stoic
If he said WBH I would agree, however Banner has been Hulk without breaking worlds, and he has fought to the best of his ability without WBH manifesting. The OP says WWH, you can attempt to bypass it if you want to, but WBH is not in this thread. Common sense would, or should allow you and KM to realize that WBH is far above his team, and it was not the intent of Golem to place him in this thread. I mean why not take out Luke Cage, and place 25 Mangog's in his place while we are at it?

Does that sound familiar? KM even showed scans explicitly stating that Tanaraq/Sasquatch are the same, just held back by Walter.

Only, in this scenario, golem has explicitly come out and said WWH, AND we have a mod ruling on WWH/WBH. So, yeah, not quite the same, I guess. But I remember how passionately you and carver argued for WBH/WWH.

^or ppl should just stop opening threads with "WWH" in the title.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
^or ppl should just stop opening threads with "WWH" in the title.

Unless of course Golem had in his mind the version of Hulk, wearing armour who was stomping Ares/Hercules/the X-men/FF/Iron Man/Skrullbolt/ZomStrange etc? And was brutally beating Sentry so much he reverted back to Bob?

I mean, that's plenty powerful to give a good fight without needing to resort to footsteps destrying the Eastern Seaboard levels, right?

Hercules held back.

He did, but Hulk was still bruising and bloodying him. Holding back shouldn't affect his durability, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, you asked for common sense. Like you said, if no Tanaraq we have a team of 100 mid to high metas....and you and carver are using a trans level character in the form of WWh at the end of the arc.

So...yeah, common sense led me to imagine a fight where we'd have some on the same level as Hulk. Otherwise, we'd better report Golem for making a spite thread. 100 metas against a trans, none with exotic abilities? Lol.

Also:

Does that sound familiar? KM even showed scans explicitly stating that Tanaraq/Sasquatch are the same, just held back by Walter.

Only, in this scenario, golem has explicitly come out and said WWH, AND we have a mod ruling on WWH/WBH. So, yeah, not quite the same, I guess. But I remember how passionately you and carver argued for WBH/WWH.

Golem also explicitly stated that this is Sasquatch and not Tanaraq, so just go with the OP, and stop making things up as you go along. I did not state what you changed my statement into, so don't make it out like you know what was going on in my mind. If I felt to write what you changed my statement into I would have written it that way. Again Tanaraq is not in this thread, without this even being an issue people immediately ran in, and said that the Hulk gets stomped without realizing what they really faced. Golem may have been under the same thought process. Who can tell?

It should also be known that Tanaraq is not Walter, it is another personality altogether, so there's that as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless of course Golem had in his mind the version of Hulk, wearing armour who was stomping Ares/Hercules/the X-men/FF/Iron Man/Skrullbolt/ZomStrange etc? And was brutally beating Sentry so much he reverted back to Bob?

I mean, that's plenty powerful to give a good fight without needing to resort to footsteps destrying the Eastern Seaboard levels, right?

I said that he did not have to resort to that power level to beat the hell out of this field, but if he had to, he could take it up to a point that the field had no chance whatsoever. It seems like if it were up to you, you would lie, and attempt deceit just to see Hulk lose a match that was tailor made for him to win. If this were the Flash, or Zoom you would have no problem talking about statues, speed steals, and going back into the past to make sure none of the team ever got a chance to become heroes. That's just from my perspective. Just leave it as Hulk wins this, without attempting to change the OP.

WWH the one who fought Sentry and everybody else not the one who Red She Hulk and was being attacked by Bi & Wendigo. KM you have shown Sasqutch to be able lift over 100tons twice which imo puts him above class 90 no he can't use Elder gods power to amp beyond standard Sasqutch.