Dadudemon's Breakfast Club

Originally posted by The Renegade
You're so fucking wrong, it makes my head hurt.

"Proteins are used as energy instead."

I am dying right now. Hahaha. Keto is viable (even whilst avoiding the diverticulitis long term by balancing fibre intake and increasing fat consumption. Gotta watch that fat/protein ratio) and, aside from that, high fat/low carb diets, such as paleo and just general low-card diets, are wholly viable and totally healthy.

You sound like a robot that pumps out all of the common, utterly mainstream health info you've been fed for years without bothering to wholly research alternatives or whether or not they could even be better than what you've been spoon fed (lolz) your whole life.

Extra lolz for the "lean meat has less fat so there" bullshit. Fat is GOOD for you, even saturated fats. (Just watch the cross-dressing fats.)

(DDM and I have disagreed countless times in the past and, besides the diverticulitis statement, he's right and you're wrong.)

Your comments are most welcome in this thread. Thank you. 👆

Ketogenic diets can be very healthy if planned for properly. Unfortunately, they can also lead to diverticulitis if not done properly:

http://www.diet.com/g/diverticular-disease-diet

One of my friends recently developed diverticulitis from his ketogenic diet. His problem was he wasn't eating any vegetables to boost the fiber content of his diet. He stayed on the diet for 6 months. Started bleeding from his anus. I told him to go the the ER. Confirmed diverticulitis. They told him to stop his keto diet, altogether, until he was cleared to start it up again. Recommendations: add more fiber to the keto diet next time.

That's just an anecdote, of course. But it supports the diet.com website's recommendations. Low-fiber keto diets are bad news.

I do a keto diet once a year for 6-12 weeks. I always get amazing results. I also eat 25-35 grams of fiber a day while on the diet. Half of it comes from broccoli. 🙁

Do you know of any good fiber supplements (laxative free...I do NOT need laxatives) that are ketogenic friendly?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Stop cooking steroids dude.

lol, is that how roids are made? They cook them in labs like meth?

I want to know but I fear google searching how to make drugs. 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your comments are most welcome in this thread. Thank you. 👆

Ketogenic diets can be very healthy if planned for properly. Unfortunately, they can also lead to diverticulitis if not done properly:

http://www.diet.com/g/diverticular-disease-diet

One of my friends recently developed diverticulitis from his ketogenic diet. His problem was he wasn't eating any vegetables to boost the fiber content of his diet. He stayed on the diet for 6 months. Started bleeding from his anus. I told him to go the the ER. Confirmed diverticulitis. They told him to stop his keto diet, altogether, until he was cleared to start it up again. Recommendations: add more fiber to the keto diet next time.

That's just an anecdote, of course. But it supports the diet.com website's recommendations. Low-fiber keto diets are bad news.

At this point, diverticulitis has become a bit enigmatic. Most experts, now, have rejected that a lack of fibre is what causes diverticulitis due to a lack of compelling evidence. So, while I don't support that there's a causal link between ketosis and diverticulitis (just due to a lack of evidence), I usually go for fibre when "doing" keto anyway.

Like, not a rich amount but enough anyway.

I do a keto diet once a year for 6-12 weeks. I always get amazing results. I also eat 25-35 grams of fiber a day while on the diet. Half of it comes from broccoli. 🙁

Do you know of any good fiber supplements (laxative free...I do NOT need laxatives) that are ketogenic friendly?

AVOCADOS, homie. One avocado has FOURTEEN grams of fibre. You take a couple of those, mix it up with a bit of lime, salt, and cilantro... BAM, 28 grams of guacamole fibre and fat excellency. LOL.

(The net carbs on cilantro and a dash of lime is negligible.)

I make what I call "Mexi bowls." I take some fat-infused ground beef, my guacamole recipe, tomatoes, cheese, lettuce, and sour cream and layer that shit in a bowl.

It's one of my go-to keto dishes, besides my spinach side and "bacon log."

Originally posted by The Renegade

At this point, diverticulitis has become a bit enigmatic. Most experts, now, have rejected that a lack of fibre is what causes diverticulitis due to a lack of compelling evidence. So, while I don't support that there's a causal link between ketosis and diverticulitis (just due to a lack of evidence), I usually go for fibre when "doing" keto anyway.

Like, not a rich amount but enough anyway.

That's a safe, intelligent, and healthy approach. 👆

You really can't **** up what you're doing.

Originally posted by The Renegade
AVOCADOS, homie. One avocado has FOURTEEN grams of fibre. You take a couple of those, mix it up with a bit of lime, salt, and cilantro... BAM, 28 grams of guacamole fibre and fat excellency. LOL.

(The net carbs on cilantro and a dash of lime is negligible.)

I make what I call "Mexi bowls." I take some fat-infused ground beef, my guacamole recipe, tomatoes, cheese, lettuce, and sour cream and layer that shit in a bowl.

It's one of my go-to keto dishes, besides my spinach side and "bacon log."

Mother of Dog.

I like avocados. This is an amazing suggestion. Holy shit, you're my new hero.

Also, for a non-keto diet, have you heard of that seaweed that you can live off of, entirely?

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2765/2

It is, supposedly, the most complete food on the planet.

Also, Kale seems to be another superfood:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2462/2

Again, thanks for the tip!

Avocados make the world better.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Avocados make the world better.

👆

Mother of Dog.

I like avocados. This is an amazing suggestion. Holy shit, you're my new hero.

Play this every time you consume an avocado and think about me: YouTube video

Also, for a non-keto diet, have you heard of that seaweed that you can live off of, entirely?

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2765/2

It is, supposedly, the most complete food on the planet.

Also, Kale seems to be another superfood:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2462/2

Again, thanks for the tip!

I vaguely heard about that seaweed (I'll definitely look more into it) and regarding the kale, I lucked out. My father's side of the family is Portuguese and they use kale for a traditional peasant soup so I've been getting that shit in my whole life, not knowing how incredible it is.

Also, legit? Avocados are straight up one of the more nutritional foods on Earth. It's nuts.

No problem! It's weird that we are getting along. No, really. Haha.

Here is some delicious breakfasts I want to start making.

http://www.livestrong.com/slideshow/1006213-14-proteinpacked-breakfasts-power-through-morning/#slide=1

Dear me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not how it works. I can quote the Satanic Bible to show how Satanists support some of their beliefs but it does not mean that I wrote the words from the Satanic Bible, itself.

This is why I think you're high or something. Drunk?

Normally, you're more coherent.

"I don't trust a website that says bacon is healthier than chicken", that way you're thick skull can comprehend precisely where I'm coming from and we could have avoided you arguing the English language. (No, no. Don't even think about going there, I know you're confused about that last statement. Just don't bother you aspie prick.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I'm aware that it said "ketogenics" on it. What does that have to do with, at all, the article that directly addresses some of the crazy outcomes of certain ketogenic diets?

It's like this: I post an article to a site the criticizes US Republicans. The site is called "US Republicans." Somehow, now I'm supporting US Republicans.

Does that even make sense to you, man?

Do you comprehend that I'm once again attacking credibility? A keto site is full of nonsense, OMG lean meat can kill you, well, if you're already in ketosis and you eat no energy foods whatsoever, then probably yeah. But that's an extreme case, right? Oxygen can kill you ffs.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It came off as a strawmannish diatribe. Arguing against me concerning an argument I never made.

I've always been on a low fat diet, and since I've added cheese to my diet I've gained weight. My body runs on sugar, and I intend to keep it that way.

Originally posted by The Renegade
You're so fucking wrong, it makes my head hurt.

"Proteins are used as energy instead."

I am dying right now. Hahaha. Keto is viable (even whilst avoiding the diverticulitis long term by balancing fibre intake and increasing fat consumption. Gotta watch that fat/protein ratio) and, aside from that, high fat/low carb diets, such as paleo and just general low-card diets, are wholly viable and totally healthy.

You sound like a robot that pumps out all of the common, utterly mainstream health info you've been fed for years without bothering to wholly research alternatives or whether or not they could even be better than what you've been spoon fed (lolz) your whole life.

Extra lolz for the "lean meat has less fat so there" bullshit. Fat is GOOD for you, even saturated fats. (Just watch the cross-dressing fats.)

(DDM and I have disagreed countless times in the past and, besides the diverticulitis statement, he's right and you're wrong.)

I'd rather listen to health professionals thank you.

A little bit of fat is good for dissolving some nutrients, but not so much. It is the number one cause for weight gain and all the obesity diseases though. Just thought I'd throw that in incase you forgot.

He's right about the specifics of my posts in that......he did not say what a website he posted said, and I shouldn't criticise keto websites because his link from a keto website was referring to something negative to keto diets..... that isnt even the keto diet. (IE lean meats arent keto cos fat fat fat!)

But hey, you got a handjob from DDM at least.

Originally posted by The Renegade

AVOCADOS, homie. One avocado has FOURTEEN grams of fibre. You take a couple of those, mix it up with a bit of lime, salt, and cilantro... BAM, 28 grams of guacamole fibre and fat excellency. LOL.

(The net carbs on cilantro and a dash of lime is negligible.)

I make what I call "Mexi bowls." I take some fat-infused ground beef, my guacamole recipe, tomatoes, cheese, lettuce, and sour cream and layer that shit in a bowl.

It's one of my go-to keto dishes, besides my spinach side and "bacon log." [/B]

Also, whack a load of tuna in, awesome in sammiches with rocket and spinach leaves.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
They're not healthy, and the posts after yours suggesting getting more fibre means it's not healthy. (Also, don't ketos shit a lot of the time?)

You're supposed to get more fibre anyway and there's no evidence to suggest that keto is the cause of diverticulitis.

I'd rather listen to health professionals thank you.

You're appealing to an authority and that's a nasty logical fallacy. Mainstream nutritional science and it's related counterparts unfortunately have an unhealthy leaning toward skewed information or unsubstantiated, shaky data.

The lipid hypothesis is a well known examples and is a massive theory within nutrition that has been well shattered. The problem is that there is a lot of money and businesses behind foods that promote carbohydrates, sugars, whole grains (Whole grains even have a higher glycemic index than sugar, meaning a slice of WG/WW bread causes MORE of an insulin response than fucking sugar does), etc.

It's systematically interwoven into many facets of society, including science, to condemn fat, even though there's a lot of evidence to suggest it's healthy.

People tend to go into the argument with, "Oh, my doctor said a lot of fat and stuff was bad for me. The reality is that a majority of doctors simply lack training in nutrition. They're human beings that have also been swamped with the "low-fat super diet" garbage themselves.

A little bit of fat is good for dissolving some nutrients, but not so much. It is the number one cause for weight gain and all the obesity diseases though. Just thought I'd throw that in incase you forgot.

No, BEING fat is the number one cause, not consuming fat. Ketosis is a state in which your body burns fat, as opposed to storing it. Implying that fat intake makes people fat is as ridiculous as implying that eating too many carrots will turn you orange. Fat causes individuals to BECOME fat only when it's paired with high levels of carbohydrates.

People will look at the fat dude (who has T2D in my scenario) with a burger and fries and yell, "Ugh, eating fat made him that way." No, dude. It's the carbs. It's the buns on the burger and the fries themselves, not the fat. Not the fat at all. It's consumed improperly.

You obviously are completely ignorant on nutritional science or anything related so why even talk about it? Educate yourself. You're tossing bad information around.

People are on keto and are healthy. These are people consuming fatty meats, bacon, cheese, butter, etc. These people are demonstrably losing weight, experiencing more optimal blood pressure, reducing potential introduction to type II diabetes, and more.

Fat operates in your body differently under ketosis. When in the "state" of ketosis, your liver begins to generate ketones. When it does this, your metabolism alters so that it steers away from glucose and begins using fat. On a high carb diet, your body has an innate preference toward glucose for "fuel." When you strip your body of carbs, the body then uses fat for fuel. When fat is used for fuel and to restore energy, it is not being stored or damaging the body.

Fat isn't the number one cause; Carbohydrates are the bad guy. Do some research and get your facts straight. What you're saying is laughable.

I've always been on a low fat diet, and since I've added cheese to my diet I've gained weight. My body runs on sugar, and I intend to keep it that way.

Yeah, because your diet is one that contains a high intake of carbohydrates. When it does that, your body will (as I've said) use the fat/saturated fat in the cheese improperly. It will store it instead of burning it for energy usage.

You've made a choice. Don't blame the cheese. Individuals on a keto diet have lost weight eating cheese. Lots of cheese. Cheese for fucking days, son.

Originally posted by The Renegade

You're supposed to get more fibre anyway and there's no evidence to suggest that keto is the cause of diverticulitis.

You're appealing to an authority and that's a nasty logical fallacy. Mainstream nutritional science and it's related counterparts unfortunately have an unhealthy leaning toward skewed information or unsubstantiated, shaky data.

The lipid hypothesis is a well known examples and is a massive theory within nutrition that has been well shattered. The problem is that there is a lot of money and businesses behind foods that promote carbohydrates, sugars, whole grains (Whole grains even have a higher glycemic index than sugar, meaning a slice of WG/WW bread causes MORE of an insulin response than fucking sugar does), etc.

It's systematically interwoven into many facets of society, including science, to condemn fat, even though there's a lot of evidence to suggest it's healthy.

People tend to go into the argument with, "Oh, my doctor said a lot of fat and stuff was bad for me. The reality is that a majority of doctors simply lack training in nutrition. They're human beings that have also been swamped with the "low-fat super diet" garbage themselves.

No, BEING fat is the number one cause, not consuming fat. Ketosis is a state in which your body burns fat, as opposed to storing it. Implying that fat intake makes people fat is as ridiculous as implying that eating too many carrots will turn you orange. Fat causes individuals to BECOME fat only when it's paired with high levels of carbohydrates. [/B]

Originally posted by The Renegade
People will look at the fat dude (who has T2D in my scenario) with a burger and fries and yell, "Ugh, eating fat made him that way." No, dude. It's the carbs. It's the buns on the burger and the fries themselves, not the fat. Not the fat at all. It's consumed improperly.

You obviously are completely ignorant on nutritional science or anything related so why even talk about it? Educate yourself. You're tossing bad information around.[/B]

Originally posted by The Renegade
People are on keto and are healthy. These are people consuming fatty meats, bacon, cheese, butter, etc. These people are demonstrably losing weight, experiencing more optimal blood pressure, reducing potential introduction to type II diabetes, and more.[/B]

Originally posted by The Renegade
Fat operates in your body differently under ketosis. When in the "state" of ketosis, your liver begins to generate ketones. When it does this, your metabolism alters so that it steers away from glucose and begins using fat. On a high carb diet, your body has an innate preference toward glucose for "fuel." When you strip your body of carbs, the body then uses fat for fuel. When fat is used for fuel and to restore energy, it is not being stored or damaging the body.

Fat isn't the number one cause; Carbohydrates are the bad guy. Do some research and get your facts straight. What you're saying is laughable. [/B]

Originally posted by The Renegade
Yeah, because your diet is one that contains a high intake of carbohydrates. When it does that, your body will (as I've said) use the fat/saturated fat in the cheese improperly. It will store it instead of burning it for energy usage.

You've made a choice. Don't blame the cheese. Individuals on a keto diet have lost weight eating cheese. Lots of cheese. Cheese for fucking days, son. [/B]

Originally posted by It's xyz!
Lol, funny thing is is tomatoes do make you red, carrots make you yellowy orange and leafy foods turn you green (mildly)

No, tomatoes and carrots can make you orange due to an excessive consumption of b-C but not because of what color they are. You are being daft, XYZ.

Fat doesn't make you fat but bread does. Jesus christ man.

Fat doesn't. As in, factually doesn't. There is zero evidence to suggest it does. Yes, bread does. It's loaded with carbs and sugar. Those are things that increase weight. They also cause fat to increase your weight. Fat doesn't intrinsically perform in that manner, biologically speaking.

Through starvation.

You pulled this out of your ass. These people aren't starving. These are people that have a hamburger caked in butter, cheese, and bacon. Straight up. No one is starving.

I don't take any keto website as a credible source since they are NOT health proffessionals.

Again, mindlessly appealing to an authority. Also, many "health professionals" have advocated and gotten behind keto as a reliable and healthy diet. Confirmation bias is bad, bro.

Because they've starved themselves on energy rich foods you tool! Then the liver adapts. Tell you what, you eat your bacon cheese burgers in a lettuce wrap, and I'll eat my chicken sandwich with no mayo. Deal?

No, they haven't starved themselves. You've said this twice with no substance. You actually have no argument. That is not how it works. No one is starving themselves. You deprive yourself of carbohydrates to enter ketosis. This is not starving yourself, just as not eating sugar and replacing it with something else wouldn't be "starving yourself."

You're a drone to popular nutrition. Get help for it. The medication I recommend is "proper research." Unfortunately, I have to stop discussing with you. You literally have no idea what you're talking about and your naivete is startling.

I'll likely contribute to the thread in other ways but it won't be discussing this with you. In the future, I'd suggest coming into a discussion with at least a moderate amount of knowledge surrounding the topic you're discussing.

herp derp medical conspiracy and ketosis is a healthy way of living. herp derp pasta is fattening.

A conspiracy usually implies something that cannot be proven or observed. A startlingly high lack of data and empirical evidence in the field of nutritional science and theory, specifically when low-fat diets and other such eating styles are recommended in such large quantities, is a systematic problem. It has been since the sixties.

It's perpetuated when dudes like you scream, "The professionals and doctors sed its bad, lulz." You come off as programmed, sounding off about an issue you know little to nothing about. Saturated fat took a back seat to industrial oils and grain to promote monetary income for corporations. This is something that legitimately happens and has happened.

Originally posted by The Renegade

I'll likely contribute to the thread in other ways but it won't be discussing this with you.

Also conspiracy doesn't mean it can't be proven. I don't know where you got that from, but here's a helpful link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

So I read most of the thread, XYZ, your "sugar diet" is whacked. You can probably get away with that while you're young, but that shit will catch up with you.

High sugar intake is linked with depression, anxiety and hyperactivity. Sound familiar, bro? Then there's all the other shit from weakening your immune system (Vit C restriction) to diabetes.

Originally posted by Robtard
So I read most of the thread, XYZ, your "sugar diet" is whacked. You can probably get away with that while you're young, but that shit will catch up with you.

High sugar intake is linked with depression, anxiety and hyperactivity. Sound familiar, bro? Then there's all the other shit from weakening your immune system (Vit C restriction) to diabetes.

Plus, blaming my mental state on sugar is a poor poor case against sugar diets. (I'm what they call a "special case"😉

inb4 lol special lol nutcase

A high carb diet is recommended for good mental and physical health. True story.

Spoiler:
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The body does need some sugars, sure. Don't think anyone argued otherwise.

Known medical issues caused by high sugar consumption is a good case against high sugar intake.

But you're just being silly, so I'll leave you to it.