Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I can name about Five user that agree with me and as seen by your foolish thread that compares Vitiate to The Ones and Abeloth many users disagree with your ''Opinion". Care for more?
Focus on facts, not people.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Umm. I've always seen the logic side of things, My posts and the few debates I've been in have always been logical and through, i'll admit that at times I have gotten certain facts wrong, but for the most part my friends and the good users of KMC have corrected my mistakes, which I've acknowledge and at times been thankful for.
You got this matter wrong as well. Your responses to me do not give the vibe of the debate, you were trolling with gifs. Focus on the arguments and respond accordingly.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yes im not as well versed in the SW universe as say EmperorDmb, SUPREMEXSKILLZ, Nephyths or DarthAnt66. But I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I'm not the type to make baseless assumptions.
I am not making baseless assumptions. It is not necessary that they understand everything better then me.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Its a ritual, he had to sacrifices thousands of sith lords to do it. Nihilus can only speak and it hurts, he has the power to destroy worlds. ALONE Vitiate needs a ritual. if doing such a thing shows a great knowledge of the dark side than doing it alone shows mastery over such a technique.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ritual of Nathema had a different purpose, Emperor Vitiate intended to use this strategy to achieve corporeal immortality. This is why he involved so many Sith Lords in the ritual. Of-course, Emperor didn't inform these Sith Lords what would become of them. Emperor promised them that they would achieve great power from this ritual but it was only going to be him in reality, the other Sith Lords held no candle to Emperor's command of the Force. When the ritual commenced, combined might of so many Sith resulted in creation of largest nexus of the dark side the galaxy would ever see, this was it. Emperor, however, had something else in mind, he telepathically subjugated all of the Sith Lords and then consumed them with his Force Drain powers, in-fact, he consumed all life in the planet and even the Force (itself) surrounding the planet, and achieved corporeal immortality in the aftermath. Ritual ended and Emperor emerged as the sole survivor. Planet was now a void in the Force and the dark side energy released from ritual diminished.If Emperor wanted to consume all life on Nathema, he could have pulled this off by himself but he wouldn't have accomplished corporeal immortality. Darth Nihilus, due to his condition, could instinctively perform Force Drain on planetary scale. In contrast, Emperor needed ritualistic method to perform the same action on matching scale but he didn't need to depend upon others for this action. This is the difference.
Yes, rituals can be performed single-handedly. In Dromund Kaas, Emperor, single-handedly, performed a ritual to corrupt the planet's environment. Dromund Kaas is enormous planet, far bigger then Katarr and Earth to give you an idea.
Emperor Vitiate cannot use power of others to drain them, makes no sense. Emperor Vitiate unleashed his Force Drain powers on others to consume them to achieve corporeal immortality.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yet his apprentice who knows him more intimately than anyone but his master, both of them speak like he is a terrible force of power and destruction.”He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies… sacrificing itself to his hunger." - Visas Marr
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses… and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others—his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.”
-KreiaTobin: "The extent of his power cannot be put into words… and his perceptions have grown as well. To him…"
Visas Marr: "You are dust motes in a storm… a grain upon the beach… and as insignificant as a body that orbits the graveyard of Malachor."
and this is the deciding thing that makes Nihilus' power greater.
“He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings… or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well." -Kreia
These two people who are quoted, know The Dark Lord Of Hunger more intimately than anyone else. Kreia believes that unless he is stopped he will consume the entire galaxy.
OBSERVATION Darth Nihilus has the potential to destroy the galaxy, the jedi and sith with his Drain as while it is not controlled like Vitiate it is instinctive to Nihilus making him much more deadly.
Darth Nihilus cannot unleash his Force Drain powers on galactic scale, he never demonstrated this level of command of the talent. If he could, he would have.
I don't need to be informed what Darth Nihilus is capable of and what his feats are. I know that he demonstrated the potential to drain on planetary scale.
However, scale of Force Drain is not important in this debate. Defensive methods are. Emperor Vitiate have the necessary condition that makes it impossible for others to destroy him using Force Drain powers.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Once Again, Nihilus is no longer a human being, Visas Marr says that he is "More presence than flesh. Kreia believes him to already be dead. He was only beaten because of his hunger, he was weakened. not suggest the emperor could defend against such a ability. To quote kreia."There techniques within the force, for which there is no defense"
Stop taking every word of Darth Traya as gospel. She doesn't knows everything, her opinions are fallible.
You still don't get it. Emperor Vitiate's condition, corporeal immortality, makes it impossible for Force Drain powers to consume him and destroy him. This fact have been demonstrated by Emperor's own actions; he granted immortality to some of his servants and then drained them afterwards. Servants felt weak but did not die because of their immortal condition. Otherwise, they would have perished.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Again, Nihilus is a being who can destroy planets, sith and jedi. Alone, Nihilus is a beast of power, of destruction and darkness. he unlike Vitiate Has demonstrated incredible talent of TK Using the force to rip the Ravager from Malachor's Core and holding the ship together with his power.
Emperor Vitiate is the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy, he is more powerful then Darth Nihilus by virtue of this information. Deal with it.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Not to Nihilus' level, he cannot drain Planets without a ritual.
Emperor can use Force Drain powers in normal fashion and also in ritualistic fashion. With latter action, he can unleash Force Drain on planetary scale.
Nihilus's extreme proficiency in Force Drain is result of his condition, it is not a normal development.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yet the HoT defeated Vitiate through normal means.
Yes, so citing him as evidence of Emperor's fallibility against Force Drain is baseless and wrong. Understand?
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yeah His servants are not match for him Nihilus had to be fought while he was weakened, his connection to Visas disrupted and while dueling three different opponents. And his defensive capabilities have been broken. By Revan and The HoT.
Nobody matched Emperor in power, nobody.
Revan and HoT didn't break Emperor's defensive abilities:
- Revan approached Oneness like condition to push Emperor back and disrupt his telepathic actions. Nothing here suggests that Emperor's defensive abilities were compromised.
- HoT could not dominate Emperor with his powers either, he cut down an avatar of Emperor with his lightsaber.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You have only your opinion to back you up on that. Plus the entire forum seems to disagree with your statements.Thanks for the offer handsome, but I have much better things to do than whine about my opinion not being agreed with. 😉
Look, I don't care what people think. I care about facts.
If you care about facts, then you will focus on them.
Emperor's condition significantly increased his safeguard against Force powers such as Force Drain. Evidence provided already, focus on it.