Darth Nihilus vs The Sith Emperor

Originally posted by Selenial
You're either blatantly disregarding what we're saying, or your lack of skills in the English language is even worse than I thought. (And It's not like I held it in High esteem as it is.)

Originally posted by Selenial
1) No, but he had a shortage of servants that he could trust.

Originally posted by Selenial
2) The Emperor wasn't trying to kill him, he wanted to weaken him so he could probe his mind.

Originally posted by Selenial
3) It doesn't matter, THEY'RE DEAD. Dead people cannot draw on the force, and the force doesn't even flow through dead people. If force drain kills someone, that's the end. The force only exists in LIVING THINGS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
1. To make them more effective.
2. To have servants he could trust.
3. So he had servants he could drain forever.

And the Servants are his right hand, his most direct and trusted servants. Making them immortal is simply practical.

Do you think immortality played a role to make this possible? You know, endless supply of energy?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let us focus on point no. 3 now.

Do you think immortality played a role to make this possible? You know, endless supply of energy?

In that they would be constant sources of power for him, yes.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, I know that your reasoning is flawed and I am making an attempt to make you see it.

So he ran an Empire of untrustworthy individuals? You know how stupid this is?

What exactly Force Drain does to an individual? Does it weakens the resolve of an individual or it weakens and kill the individual?

They died because of Force Drain, do you understand?

Is he trolling me? Neph, he's got to be trolling me.

1) All sith are untrustworthy, thinking they're not is beyond retarded. All of them want power. Marr, Jadus, Malgus, they all have tried to seize power from the Emperor. As did two of his Dark Councils.

2)It weakens their Tie to the force, isn't that obvious? I thought that was obvious.

3) Yes, thank you, you're starting to understand! The emperor wanted those people dead, he doesnt want Revan or his Hands dead.
So he doesn't ever finish them off.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, I know that your reasoning is flawed and I am making an attempt to make you see it.

So he ran an Empire of untrustworthy individuals? You know how stupid this is?

What exactly Force Drain does to an individual? Does it weakens the resolve of an individual or it weakens and kill the individual?

They died because of Force Drain, do you understand?

Originally posted by Nephthys
In that they would be constant sources of power for him, yes.

Yeh, but it's not that Immortality makes it impossible for Drain to kill them, is it?

Besides, this debate is entirely irrelevant, if the Emperor is weakened by Nihilus (Just like his servants are weakened by vitiate) Then Vitiate will still lose.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, but it's not that Immortality makes it impossible for Drain to kill them, is it?

Besides, this debate is entirely irrelevant, if the Emperor is weakened by Nihilus (Just like his servants are weakened by vitiate) Then Vitiate will still lose.

Of course not. It just makes them human energiser batteries. Those things last for ****in' ever.

Yes.

Originally posted by Selenial
Also, if you say Revan's a female (All this is decided by the convo with Atton on Peragus) You'll get Carth on Telos, Carth in the T3 message and not sure about the Korriban one...

There's a lot of stuff you can find in game that you don't see unless you replay it a lot.

Yeah, I didn't know that as well. Ive finished the first one twice and the second one like 3-4 times but it was a long time ago so I also might have forgotten it. I've recently started KOTOR 2 again and so I'll try to catch every detail.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In that they would be constant sources of power for him, yes.

So Hands cannot die from Force Drain, right? They guarantee endless supply of energy, right?

Originally posted by Selenial
Is he trolling me? Neph, he's got to be trolling me.

Originally posted by Selenial
1) All sith are untrustworthy, thinking they're not is beyond retarded. All of them want power. Marr, Jadus, Malgus, they all have tried to seize power from the Emperor. As did two of his Dark Councils.

STRENGTH, ORDER, AND DISCIPLINE unite the Empire. Such ideals are won at the cost of freedom, a sacrifice Imperials are expected to surrender without question. United by a supremely powerful Emperor, ruled by the Force-sensitive Sith, bolstered by devoted citizens, and built by sweat and blood of slaves - this is the hierarchy that has shaped and empowered the Empire for more than a thousand years. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Empire cannot function if backstabbing is norm in it and powerful do not survive in it. Emperor created a highly disciplined Empire and many of his followers were loyal to him. Yes, assassination attempts were a realistic possibility and occurred, but Emperor was powerful enough to take care of such threats.

Sith are motivated by most powerful among them, some do get ambitious but this doesn't diminishes loyalty on the whole. Much like Revan, Emperor was an inspiring figure for the Sith.

Under the guidance of the Emperor—the immortal and all-powerful savior who still reigned over them even after a thousand years—they abandoned the hedonistic lifestyles of their barbaric ancestors. Instead they created a near-perfect society in which the Imperial military operated and controlled virtually every aspect of daily life. Farmers, mechanics, teachers, cooks, janitors—all were part of the great martial machine, each individual a cog trained to perform his or her duties with maximum discipline and efficiency. As a result, the Sith had been able to conquer and enslave world after world in the unexplored regions of the galaxy, until their power and influence rivaled those of their glorious past. (From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

Malgus, Jadus and Marr did not attempt to seize power from Emperor, Baras did. And what became of Baras, do you recall?

Only one Dark Council fully rebelled in history. This was due to Emperor's seclusion.

Originally posted by Selenial
2)It weakens their Tie to the force, isn't that obvious? I thought that was obvious.

If it is continuously performed on an individual, what becomes of the individual?

Weaker...Weaker...Weaker...Death.

Originally posted by Selenial
3) Yes, thank you, you're starting to understand! The emperor wanted those people dead, he doesnt want Revan or his Hands dead.
So he doesn't ever finish them off.

Notice the difference?

Originally posted by Selenial
Besides, this debate is entirely irrelevant, if the Emperor is weakened by Nihilus (Just like his servants are weakened by vitiate) Then Vitiate will still lose.

Force Drain is not going to effect him much, do not mistake him for his hands.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hmm

So Hands cannot die from Force Drain, right? They guarantee endless supply of energy, right?

No, they could be killed by Nihilus' drain.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they could be killed by Nihilus' drain.

Back to square one.

Emperor can kill individuals with Force Drain, right?

You don't give up, do you?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Intejection: Lame excuse inserted.

Back to square one.

Emperor can kill individuals with Force Drain, right?

Could he? Has Force Drain ever been lethal outside of the Nathema ritual and Nihilus' technique?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could he? Has Force Drain ever been lethal outside of the Nathema ritual and Nihilus' technique?

Yes, Traya's attack on Jedi Masters.

Traya's action is Nihilus' technique.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hmm

So Hands cannot die from Force Drain, right? They guarantee endless supply of energy, right?

No, since my explanations fell on deaf ears, I want you to explain me why I am wrong. So far you are doing a poor job.

Emperor had plenty of loyal individuals to serve him; Dread Masters; Imperial Guard; Imperial forces; Sith Lords (who would do anything to incur favors from Emperor).

Malgus, Jadus and Marr did not attempt to seize power from Emperor, Baras did. And what became of Baras, do you recall?

Only one Dark Council fully rebelled in history. This was due to Emperor's seclusion.

Yes, but;

If it is continuously performed on an individual, what becomes of the individual?

Weaker...Weaker...Weaker...Death.

Emperor didn't want Revan dead so he did not continuously fed on him. His hands are a different story.

Notice the difference?

1) Yes.
2) If you don't think that everyone in the Empire would kill the Emperor given the chance, you're an idiot. There's no saving you if you don't think Sith kill each other without a second thought for power.
3) Malgus declared himself Emperor. Jadus tried to. Marr asked Nox specifically at the end of Makeb to join resources and forge a new empire without the emperor.
4) Not if he doesn't want to kill them and lets them regain power.
5) So, you're trying to tell me the Emperor was trying to kill his hands? You're an idiot.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, he killed many on Medriaas.

Yes, Traya's attack on Jedi Masters.

Rofl.

Learn to read.

Medriaas and Nathema are the same planet.

Traya's technique is Nihilus'

Originally posted by Selenial
1) Yes.

Originally posted by Selenial
2) If you don't think that everyone in the Empire would kill the Emperor given the chance, you're an idiot. There's no saving you if you don't think Sith kill each other without a second thought for power.

Here: Do you think that followers of Darth Sidious did not listen to him?

Originally posted by Selenial
3) Malgus declared himself Emperor. Jadus tried to. Marr asked Nox specifically at the end of Makeb to join resources and forge a new empire without the emperor.

Originally posted by Selenial
4) Not if he doesn't want to kill them and lets them regain power.

Originally posted by Selenial
5) So, you're trying to tell me the Emperor was trying to kill his hands? You're an idiot.

Otherwise, Emperor could drain normal individuals but he would have stop again and again and again to prevent deaths and such. This would be a nuisance.

Get the picture now?

Originally posted by Selenial
Rofl.

Learn to read.

Medriaas and Nathema are the same planet.

Originally posted by Selenial
Traya's technique is Nihilus'

Force Drain is not an exclusive power to Traya and Nihilus, period.