Darth Nihilus vs The Sith Emperor

Started by FreshestSlice32 pages

I didn't sense the use of the word Revan as fast as you did. My bond with LeGenD is nowhere near as strong.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except...you aren't. Once again, he turned them into his servants for energy. Killing them would be ultimately pointless.

No, you are not getting this one right. Emperor wanted an endless supply of energy for himself. This is why he transformed some of his servants in to immortal beings, he then drained them continuously, servants became weak and their ability to call upon the Force diminished but they survived because of immortality. Normal beings could not survive in their place, as apparent from Emperor's actions in Nathema. If Emperor would subject normal beings to Force Drain, they would not survive and he wouldn't get an endless supply of energy.

Clear?

As far as Revan's situation is concerned;

As the Emperor fed off him, Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war. Because of her, Revan was able to do more than just fight to keep the Emperor at bay.

This is how Revan survived. I don't think Emperor really cared if Revan lived or not, this is why he subjected him to Force Drain. Emperor just wanted to learn as much about Republic as possible and he adopted other methods to gain knowledge (e.g. planting Children in the Republic).

Eventually Revan's strength began to diminish due to being repeatedly subjected to Force Drain. Their was a limit to how long Revan could sustain himself by feeding on ghost of Meetra Surik. It was at this point, Surik's ghost reached out to a Jedi Master named Oteg, who then arranged for rescue for Revan.

Thats such bullshit. Nowhere is it stated or implied that Servant One and Two only survived by being immortal.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats such bullshit. Nowhere is it stated or implied that Servant One and Two only survived by being immortal.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats such bullshit. Nowhere is it stated or implied that Servant One and Two only survived by being immortal.

Read and try to comprehend.

Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Emperor could not have endless supply of energy from normal individuals, only from immortals. Reason is that normal individuals would have perished if subjected to Force Drain.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Read and try to comprehend.

Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Emperor could not have endless supply of energy from normal individuals, only from immortals. Reason is that normal individuals would have perished if subjected to Force Drain.

Wrong.

Really wrong.

Now, for the 9000th time, let's explain why.

That quote is saying that Vitiate gave his servants immortality, and that they had to give something back in return. Not that the Immortality gave him that, but they did. He constantly fed off them, and they kept regaining their force power.

This is similar to the way that whilst on Malachor, you are drained, but you can feed off the Dark Energies and make yourself even more powerful.

Once you are drained, you can gain that force energy back, in the same way that Luke destroyed an Object the size of a Star Destroyer, but collapsed from the energy, and took a while to recover.

How are you not understanding this?

I have the foking book Legend. I read the quote before replying to check. That implies diddly-squat. They're left weak and frail, that doesn't mean they would have died if mortal. Being immortal doesn't increase their strength of body or Force.

Revan: "The Emperor wants me to serve him and tell him where the Foundry is. I need to get there soon."
LeGenD: "No, what he really wants is to kill you. He didn't really need those things, trust me."

I really don't see how you can continue to spout opinions in face of actual in game statements. I cannot begin to even.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I have the foking book Legend. I read the quote before replying to check. That implies diddly-squat. They're left weak and frail, that doesn't mean they would have died if mortal. Being immortal doesn't increase their strength of body or Force.

Why Emperor granted them immortality?

Originally posted by Selenial
Wrong.

Really wrong.

Now, for the 9000th time, let's explain why.

That quote is saying that Vitiate gave his servants immortality, and that they had to give something back in return. Not that the Immortality gave him that, but they did. He constantly fed off them, and they kept regaining their force power.

This is similar to the way that whilst on Malachor, you are drained, but you can feed off the Dark Energies and make yourself even more powerful.

Once you are drained, you can gain that force energy back, in the same way that Luke destroyed an Object the size of a Star Destroyer, but collapsed from the energy, and took a while to recover.

How are you not understanding this?


If this is the case, why people killed by Emperor with Force Drain powers, failed to get their energy back?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan: "The Emperor wants me to serve him and tell him where the Foundry is. I need to get there soon."
LeGenD: "No, what he really wants is to kill you. He didn't really need those things, trust me."

I really don't see how you can continue to spout opinions in face of actual in game statements. I cannot begin to even.


Thanks for sharing.

Now explain to me, why Revan needed to feed on ghost of Meetra Surik?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why Emperor granted them immortality?

To make them better servants? As a reward for their service?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks for sharing.

Now explain to me, why Revan needed to feed on ghost of Meetra Surik?

Because other wise he'd be too weak to resist Vitiates mind games.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If this is the case, why people killed by Emperor with Force Drain powers, failed to get their energy back?

Let's let Asaaj Ventress answer that:

"Do you think you'll still be able to call on the force after I Separate your head from your body?"

You can't use the force when you're dead.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To make them better servants? As a reward for their service?

Emperor didn't had shortage of servants.

Originally posted by Selenial
Because other wise he'd be too weak to resist Vitiates mind games.

So Revan cannot die from Force Drain?

Originally posted by Selenial
Let's let Asaaj Ventress answer that:

"Do you think you'll still be able to call on the force after I Separate your head from your body?"

You can't use the force when you're dead.


Emperor did not behead them, he consumed them with his Force Drain powers.

Once again, using your logic (Once you are drained, you can gain that force energy back) why these individuals die after subjected to Force Drain, why they did not get their energies back?

Who said Revan couldn't die from Force Drain? The point is, the Emperor wasn't trying to kill him to begin with. Was Sidious trying to kill Maul, or was his Lightning just too weak?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor didn't had shortage of servants.

Well why did he make Scourge immortal? He had no shortage of warriors either.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor didn't had shortage of servants.

So Revan cannot die from Force Drain?

Emperor did not behead them, he consumed them with his Force Drain powers.

Once again, using your logic (Once you are drained, you can gain that force energy back) why these individuals die after subjected to Force Drain, why they did not get their energies back?

You're either blatantly disregarding what we're saying, or your lack of skills in the English language is even worse than I thought. (And It's not like I held it in High esteem as it is.)

1) No, but he had a shortage of servants that he could trust.
2) The Emperor wasn't trying to kill him, he wanted to weaken him so he could probe his mind.
3) It doesn't matter, THEY'RE DEAD. Dead people cannot draw on the force, and the force doesn't even flow through dead people. If force drain kills someone, that's the end. The force only exists in LIVING THINGS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well why did he make Scourge immortal? He had no shortage of warriors either.

1. To make him more powerful.
2. To increase his safeguard against external threats.
3. Emperor did not drain him.

Emperor's Wrath have a different purpose then Hands, Emperor's Wrath is supposed to be an unstoppable agent.

Now, getting back to your my earlier question:

Why Emperor granted them immortality? (Referring to Hands)

Emperor didn't had shortage of servants.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Why Emperor granted them immortality? (Referring to Hands)

What Sith would betray somebody who granted them the power that All Sith dream of?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. To make him more powerful
2. Increase his safeguard
3. Emperor did not drain him.

Emperor's Wrath have a different purpose then Hands, Emperor's Wrath is supposed to be an unstoppable agent.

Now, getting back to your my earlier question:

Why Emperor granted them immortality? (Referring to Hands)

1. To make them more effective.
2. To have servants he could trust.
3. So he had servants he could drain forever.

And the Servants are his right hand, his most direct and trusted servants. Making them immortal is simply practical.