Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Everyone besides Revan have to drain the life of others because of the wound that consumed them of Malachor V. The Sith Assassins were among those who instinctively got the technique on Malachor V following the Mass Shadow Generator cataclysm. They "felt the echoes of unimaginable pain and suffering," just as Nihilus and Meetra did. A "vast emptiness" weighed down on them, and all they could do is to feed off of others to fill this. All of it consumed them. But they merely felt the aftermath. They were never there when the Mandalorian and Republic fleet was devoured. Revan was though. Revan was far enough away to not be in that shock-wave that Meetra Surik or Darth Nihilus were in, but as any disturbance in the Force, he felt it. Just as Obi-Wan Kenobi felt the destruction of Alderaan light years away, or that Revan himself felt the bombardment of Serroco, why would he not feel the deaths of Malachor V when he was litterally in orbit around the planet itself? You are not making much sense. Darth Traya even confirms he would have felt it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y Though that isn't my point. My point is rather that Revan did in fact walk on Malachor V after the devastation, and even set up his own Sith Academy there. He felt what the Sith Assassins felt, he suffered under the weight of Malachor V as all the rest did. Darth Traya, Darth Sion, and the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide agree with me. I see no reason why Darth Revan would not have the same powers the Sith Assassins did when he did everything they did and more. One of the major things of the second game was when Darth Traya told you that Darth Revan corrupted Jedi through the powers of Malachor V."Revan knew the power of such places… and the power in making them. They can be used to break the will of others, of Jedi, promising them power, and turning them to the dark side."
―Kreia (Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)- - - - -
"It corrupts all that walks on its surface, drowns them in the power of the dark side—it corrupts all life. And it feeds on death."
―Kreia (Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)Though, there is also something I still must note though. Darth Traya was wrong about one thing. Malachor V can be resisted, and while herself, Darth Nihilus, and the Sith Assassins were consumed by its power, Darth Revan was not. "Revan's will allow[ed] him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side." He was able to feed on Malachor V to give him power. He was able to feel the pull of the Dark Side and the devastation he brought. However his will was powerful enough to not let it consume him (this is another extremely impressive telepathic resistance feat). This is ultimately the difference, as Revan does not do it out of instinct, but he can do it. He went where all the rest went and heard the cries that all the rest heard. He was no different from all the rest besides the fact that [b]he was powerful enough to overcome Malachor V.
Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, and all the rest could not. [/B]
You forgot another difference: Revan planned for and wanted Malachor to happen. Why would he be affected by the disturbance in the Force when it occurred through his design? It would be like Vader at Alderaan. Dude didn't give a fvck. He didn't have to resist anything. By this time Revan was already mostly a darksider. He wasn't corrupted by the destruction or corruption of Malachor because he straight up didn't give shit and was already corrupt as hell.
Being a dick isn't a defense against a cataclysm of that caliber. 😬
Also, being a darksider hardly matters. Revan was corrupted by the Dark Side through war and his experiences in combat. That doesn't mean he is immune to the Dark Side energies of Malachor V. Would you really suggest that someone like Darth Nihilus who eats planets is equally corrupt as someone who sparred a life of a Jedi? Not at all. One can always be more corrupt.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Being a dick isn't a defense against a cataclysm of that caliber. 😬Also, being a darksider hardly matters. Revan was corrupted by the Dark Side through war and his experiences in combat. That doesn't mean he is immune to the Dark Side energies of Malachor V. Would you really suggest that someone like Darth Nihilus who eats planets is as corrupt as someone who spared a life of a Jedi? Not at all. One can always be more corrupt.
It's only a shock if you can be shocked by such a slaughter. As I pointed out, Vader was unaffected by having billions exploded in his face.
The very fact that Revan wasn't corrupted by Malachor is exactly why he doesn't have the technique. It's achieved through feeling the effects of the wound and the revulsion at the gaping void causing a hunger in you that needs to be filled. Revan resisted this and walked away a whole man. But knew that others couldn't, so created the Trayas Academy to train monsters.
Nihilus wasn't like that at first. The effects of Malachor drove him mad and the hunger and desperation consumed his identity. He fell to the darkside on Malachor. Revan had been falling for years before then.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The very fact that Revan wasn't corrupted by Malachor is exactly why he doesn't have the technique. It's achieved through feeling the effects of the wound and the revulsion at the gaping void causing a hunger in you that needs to be filled.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But you need to perform the technique as an instinctive reaction in response to the above to acquire it. Revan didn't react in that way and straight up resisted it. As I said, he walked away a whole man.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That is not true. Meetra was not consumed by Malachor V like Revan.
Meetra never knowingly, willingly performed the technique. She still reacted to the cataclysm of Malachor though and became a Wound. Revan didn't.
This is all theoretical though. I fact is that there's no evidence or indication Revan used it.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
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Looks to me like she became a wound by being close enough to the blast, as Revan planned, and only survived because she severed herself.
She became a wound via the death and destruction she felt.
No it wasn't. My argument was that the person causes it out of a reaction. Only they can learn the technique through an instinctive reaction.
Darth Traya: "Ahhh I'm going to get giga-drain because this wound is scary!"
Sith Assassins: "Awh shit I guess I need to drain people instinctively to fill this wound because of my reaction."
Revan: "Because I didn't give a shit, I'm immune to it!"
Seems legit Neph. 👆
Though, this is getting off topic.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am too lazy to find the Revan novel, so I'll quote Wookieepedia:
"She watched silently from the bridge of her command ship as the generator crushed both the Republic and Mandalorian forces caught in its destructive wake. The ensuing death and destruction, particularly that of the comrades she had led and befriended during the war caused such a substantial wound in the Force that the shock would have killed Surik had she not unconsciously, and instinctively, severed her own connection."She became a wound via the death and destruction she felt.
No, she became a wound through severing her own connection in response to the death and destruction:
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Then your argument completely blows.Darth Traya: "Ahhh I'm going to get giga-drain because this wound is scary!"
Sith Assassins: "Awh shit I guess I need to drain people instinctively to fill this wound because of my reaction."
Revan: "Because I didn't give a shit, I'm immune to it!"Seems legit Neph. 👆
Though, this is getting off topic.
Mocking my argument doesn't make it wrong. It just adds to the irony.
Being severed from the Force does not turn you into a wound. Look at Qel-Droma. Darth Traya is wrong. For a wound to create, a mass amount of death must occur in a short amount of time.
The Council banished Meetra because they felt Malachor V inside of her, aka a wound in the Force. She severed herself to survive the destruction of Malachor V itself, not to become it.
Lmao "Traya is wrong, I'm right, fvck evidence!"
Uliq wasn't completely severed. He regained his connection at his death. And you missed this part:
"No, there were not. In times past and in times future, there are Jedi who will stop listening to the Force, those that will try to forget it, but maintain unconscious ties. And those, as in the past just as I, who have had the force stripped from them."
The Council saw a wound.