Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No. A Force Wound is not someone cutoff from the Force. Malachor V was wound in the Force while remaining one of the most powerful nexi that the galaxy has ever seen. The Exile was cutoff from the Force because she severed herself from it. The strength of this sever combined with the Mass Shadow Generator is what made her a Force Wound. Nihilus was never cutoff from the Force.
Revan attempted to find her by augmenting his senses to galactic scale at one point but couldn't because Meetra Surik had no connection with the Force during this time.
I think Obsidian have done a terrible job at explaining its own stuff properly. This could be the reason that SWTOR project was not granted to Obsidian by authorities. At-least, BioWare knows how to explain stuff properly.
Originally posted by Selenial
LeGenD stop talking about games you haven't played.The council scene that Neph links explains literally everything you've got wrong, at Least youtube it or something, Jesus.
Originally posted by Selenial
I lold.1- Wrong, you'd know if you played the game
2- A ridiculous "theory" with no base
3- Incorrect, as Force Sever doesn't work on light Siders.
4- Also incorrect, she taught her both in the hopes that mastering both sides would allow her limitless power, she wanted a Grey force user, like her, willing to be whatever she needed to be for the galaxy to survive..But of course, you'd know that if you played the game.
Also, the manner in which you respond, this is not the correct way to debate. You present information that contradicts or dispels my arguments. You don't just say wrong and be done with it. Learn how to debate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Didn't Meetra Surik become a Wound by cutting herself from the Force?Revan attempted to find her by augmenting his senses to galactic scale at one point but couldn't because Meetra Surik had no connection with the Force during this time.
I think Obsidian have done a terrible job at explaining its own stuff properly. This could be the reason that SWTOR project was not granted to Obsidian by authorities. At-least, BioWare knows how to explain stuff properly.
Besides Karpyshyn, much like you, not having any idea about how Force Wounds work, for starters every Force Sensitive could still feel the Exile because Force Wounds "scream out in the Force," the Exile just wasn't in the known galaxy to begin with.
Or maybe you can just face the fact that you just don't know what you're talking about. How would you know what Obsidian has done a terrible job doing, when you haven't even seen it for yourself?
Second, the reason BioWare was went to for making the Old Republic is BioWare wrote KotOR to begin with. Obsidian was the backup group for KotOR II, and just like with many of their games, they were given an engine from a previous company to make it. Why would LucasArts skip over the people who actually wrote most of the characters for the people who made this sequel? You want to blame Obsidian for something, blame their shitty coding.
Though I'm done trying to explain an entire game to someone who's very clear in not wanting to actually understand it.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, the Exile became a Force Wound by cutting herself off from the Force. That does not mean that Nihilus is also cut off from the Force, as he became a Wound for a very different reason.Besides Karpyshyn, much like you, not having any idea about how Force Wounds work, for starters every Force Sensitive could still feel the Exile because Force Wounds "scream out in the Force," the Exile just wasn't in the known galaxy to begin with.
Or maybe you can just face the fact that you just don't know what you're talking about. How would you know what Obsidian has done a terrible job doing, when you haven't even seen it for yourself?
Second, the reason BioWare was went to for making the Old Republic is BioWare wrote KotOR to begin with. Obsidian was the backup group for KotOR II, and just like with many of their games, they were given an engine from a previous company to make it. Why would LucasArts skip over the people who actually wrote most of the characters for the people who made this sequel? You want to blame Obsidian for something, blame their shitty coding.
Though I'm done trying to explain an entire game to someone who's very clear in not wanting to actually understand it.
How the hell would Revan identify Surik from the entire galaxy with her being a Wound when other Wounds existed as well?
Instead of blaming me and others for lack of knowledge, use common sense.
Also, my lack of playing KoTOR II has become a reference point in this thread, all of you so-called veterans and experts should come forward and educate me then. What is the purpose of debate if you run away from one. Do not blame for loopholes in explanations of stuff in the unpolished work that is KoTOR II.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wounds can be sensed but their identities cannot be determined through instinct.
How the hell would Revan identify Surik from the entire galaxy with her being a Wound when other Wounds existed as well?
Instead of blaming me and others for lack of knowledge, use common sense.
Also, my lack of playing KoTOR II has become a reference point in this thread, all of you so-called veterans and experts should come forward and educate me then. What is the purpose of debate if you run away from one. Do not blame for loopholes in explanations of stuff in the unpolished work that is KoTOR II.
Summary of KotOR 2:
You go to some planets while this old lady talks in your head.
A fat guy tries to eat Alderaan but he can't because you are there.
You meet some Jedi Council guys but they are assholes and look weird.
You meet Mandalore and kill the fat guy easily, despite him being able to eat worlds.
The Jedi Council then tries to kill you but the old lady saves you, but turns out shes evil.
You go to an dark planet, get shit kicked in by the natives, then solo a Sith Academy and kill the lady.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wounds can be sensed but their identities cannot be determined through instinct.How the hell would Revan identify Surik from the entire galaxy with her being a Wound when other Wounds existed as well?
Instead of blaming me and others for lack of knowledge, use common sense.
Also, my lack of playing KoTOR II has become a reference point in this thread, all of you so-called veterans and experts should come forward and educate me then. What is the purpose of debate if you run away from one. Do not blame for loopholes in explanations of stuff in the unpolished work that is KoTOR II.
You can read it all here. Hopefully.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nothing to laugh at, the concept of Force Drain have been explained in multiple sourcebooks and they are more credible then ramblings of a manipulating witch that is Darth Traya.Also, the manner in which you respond, this is not the correct way to debate. You present information that contradicts or dispels my arguments. You don't just say wrong and be done with it. Learn how to debate.
That's cute.
You know you're wrong so you refuse to respond, poor kid.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]Summary ofKotOR 2Every Star Wars story ever:
You go to some planets while this old lady talks in your head.
A fat guy tries to eat Alderaan but he can't because you are there.
You meet some Jedi Council guys but they are assholes and look weird.
You meet Mandalore and kill the fat guy easily, despite him being able to eat worlds.
The Jedi Council then tries to kill you but the old lady saves you, but turns out shes evil.
You go to an dark planet, get shit kicked in by the natives, then solo a Sith Academy and kill the lady. [/B]
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Explain Marr going directly to the source knowing it was the Exile. All Force wounds aren't the same, and their number is obviously small enough to identify them. Kreia could tell the Exile from Nihilus.There were two that we know of still alive. Revan didn't know the Exile was a Force Wound so he would never find her. However, that's beside the point, because the Exile was not even in Republic Space.
Or accept that you have to actually know something to know it.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't care that you haven't played KotOR II. What irks me is that you criticise, judge, debate, and claim knowledge on material you clearly don't have that much information on. Then, when literally everyone tells you that you are wrong, that the game clearly shows the difference in between two sets of information, you shake your head and say no, because the guide, even when the guide doesn't say what you say it does. Honestly, it's a major waste of my time to continue replying to the exact same points over and over because you just don't want to accept that Nihilus may be more powerful and unique than you understand.
Other then this, you are welcome to inform me stuff that I am not aware of.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You can read it all here. Hopefully.
Originally posted by Selenial
Unfortunately, the game shows that you are wrong, you just haven't played it.
Emperor Vitiate also performed these actions, he used Force Drain during the ritual of Nathema to consume all life on the planet. Later on, Emperor Vitiate used this power on some of his corporeally immortal servants to feed on their life-force, the power left these servants weak and diminished their ability to call upon the Force but they wouldn't die because of immortality. This is similar to situation of Darth Traya after being subjected to Force Drain from Darth Nihilus.
Darth Traya also confirmed that Force Drain is an ancient power, she is correct about this. However, her claim that this power cannot be taught to others is in question, she and Revan learned this power from somewhere and didn't acquire it instinctively. Emperor Vitiate didn't get formal draining so he learned this power instinctively like Darth Nihilus.
Once again, don't try to teach me about ground realities of Force powers. I don't need to play a game to determine how Force powers work.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Traya and Darth Nihilus used Force Drain. This power can be used to feed on life-force of living beings and also to kill. If used on a Force-user, it may sap powers of the target in the process.Emperor Vitiate also performed these actions, he used Force Drain during the ritual of Nathema to consume all life on the planet. Later on, Emperor Vitiate used this power on some of his corporeally immortal servants to feed on their life-force, the power left these servants weak and diminished their ability to call upon the Force but they wouldn't die because of immortality. This is similar to situation of Darth Traya after being subjected to Force Drain from Darth Nihilus.
Darth Traya also confirmed that Force Drain is an ancient power, she is correct about this. However, her claim that this power cannot be taught to others is in question, she and Revan learned this power from somewhere and didn't acquire it instinctively. Emperor Vitiate didn't get formal draining so he learned the power instinctively like Darth Nihilus.
Once again, don't try to teach me about ground realities of Force powers. I don't need to play a game to determine how Force powers work.
This is absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Stop trying to change the subject.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So you are asserting that Darth Nihilus was not cut off the Force like Meetra Surik?
Look, I am not doubting your knowledge about KoTOR II, but you cannot educate me about ground realities of Force Drain. I don't need to play KoTOR II to understand what Force Drain is about.Other then this, you are welcome to inform me stuff that I am not aware of.