Lobo vs Kurse

Started by Galan0079 pages

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I disagree

Take away the mallet and how does Thor ends up performing vs The Hulk? Mjolnir makes up the lack of strength.

That is how it has been shown by different writers and many will agree that if you take Mjolnir away from Thor, he is just simply outperformed in the strength dept.

Like you said writers have different ideas, come up with a decent feat of strength made by Thor under Simonson and amp that by 4

Now take a look at how Kurse was treated by another writer, Professor Hulk ended up looking better than Kurse

Aaron's Thor is only ONE depiction of Thor, this does not becomes the standard for Thor, but lets say you are correct and that Thor under Aaron is the average for Thor 1 planetary mass x 4 = 4 planetary masses. IIRC Lobo has stellar mass feats, stellar mass >>>>>>> planetary mass, so Lobo is being portrayed at ridiculous level's of strength compared to thor relatively speaking

Lobo pulls solar mass, solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planetary mass or planetary mass x 4

So basically this is WHY I disagree

tbh, the sheer impressiveness of lobo's 'stellar mass' feat never really registered with me until you broke it down just now. nicely done. 👆

moreover, lobo appeared to throw said mass around with relative ease. 🙂

Kurse wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
Lobo was actually too drunk to complete the contract is what actually happened. Superman was being beaten so badly that he had to climb into one of his battle suits, and he was still getting trashed from what I recall of that particular fight.

He was drunk, but Superman outsmarted him with a hologram. I did say Superman was getting beaten badly, but Eradicator's influenced was hindering his performance. The same writer had Superman stalemating Lobo in one fight, and KOing him(and Lar Gand) in another without Eradicator's influence.

damn. i want to know what kind of alcohol can get lobo drunk. shock_oh

Originally posted by Galan007
damn. i want to know what kind of alcohol can get lobo drunk. shock_oh

"Oarkan Berry juice." Which, Bibbo actually drank more of than Lobo.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes I think he is when highly enraged

Highly enraged hulk vs thor with out mjolnir does not sound fair to me.


They have always been portrayed as near equals. Going by feats Hulk may seem like he's much stronger because he has a shietload more strength showings (pushing, lifting, pulling) , but then again that's his shtick.

I don't mind if one believes Hulk may have the slight edge on him in strength, but they have often stalemated or one having the slight. edge on the other when in direct contest. Neither one has ever dominated the other on a consistent basis. Bottom line I just don't believe Hulk has a considerable advantage in strength.

Originally posted by Delta1938
"Oarkan Berry juice." Which, Bibbo actually drank more of than Lobo.

No shame in that 😖hifty:

Originally posted by -K-M-
Behold....BIBBO!

Bibbo vs. Joker

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Bibbo vs. Cyborg Superman

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Bibbo vs. Black Adam

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Bibbo vs. Major Force

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Bibbo vs. Doomsday

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Originally posted by Galan007
tbh, the sheer impressiveness of lobo's 'stellar mass' feat never really registered with me until you broke it down just now. nicely done. 👆

moreover, lobo appeared to throw said mass around with relative ease. 🙂

Thanks 👆

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They have always been portrayed as near equals. Going by feats Hulk may seem like he's much stronger because he has a shietload more strength showings (pushing, lifting, pulling) , but then again that's his shtick.

I don't mind if one believes Hulk may have the slight edge on him in strength, but they have often stalemated or one having the slight. edge on the other when in direct contest. Neither one has ever dominated the other on a consistent basis. Bottom line I just don't believe Hulk has a considerable advantage in strength.

Fair enough. I think Hulk is considerable stronger when he is enraged and if they were fighting in a fight where Hulk is highly enraged and Thor looses the mallet, he will be in real trouble.

But We all have our own points of view, So I understand yours 👆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Thanks 👆

Fair enough. I think Hulk is considerable stronger when he is enraged and if they were fighting in a fight where Hulk is highly enraged and Thor looses the mallet, he will be in real trouble.

But We all have our own points of view, So I understand yours 👆


He wouldn't be in real trouble. He is more than capable of holding his own without Mjolnir. Plus he holds back more than Mahatma Gandhi. Thor can be enraged too you know.

Well then prove that Thor with out his mallet can defeat an enraged Hulk.

If they are "equal" this should be no problem

Most fights I have seen of them Thor is using the mallet and it has actually been described as the advantage Thor might have.

Then you see comics of him fighting the Hulk with out the mallet and it becomes obvious.

I used to think the same as you, but Marvel has actually made this clear, Hulk is their strong guy as a matter of fact just look at their fight record and Hulk has an over all better performance, even with Thor using the mallet in the late years.

They started as Thor more powerful, because they were equal under Stan lee, he actually made it clear that the mallet gave Thor the advantage because they were basically equal in strength, then it start changing little by little, Hulk is stronger and Thor with out the mallet basically becomes a punching bag for Hulk

Originally posted by -K-M-
No shame in that 😖hifty:

Links are blocked for "malicious site." Which is odd since it doesn't do that to me when checking my Photobucket, or Abhi's, or Rao's.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He wouldn't be in real trouble. He is more than capable of holding his own without Mjolnir. Plus he holds back more than Mahatma Gandhi. Thor can be enraged too you know.

😕

Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well then prove that Thor with out his mallet can defeat an enraged Hulk.

If they are "equal" this should be no problem

Most fights I have seen of them Thor is using the mallet and it has actually been described as the advantage Thor might have.

Then you see comics of him fighting the Hulk with out the mallet and it becomes obvious.

I used to think the same as you, but Marvel has actually made this clear, Hulk is their strong guy as a matter of fact just look at their fight record and Hulk has an over all better performance, even with Thor using the mallet in the late years.

They started as Thor more powerful, because they were equal under Stan lee, he actually made it clear that the mallet gave Thor the advantage because they were basically equal in strength, then it start changing little by little, Hulk is stronger and Thor with out the mallet basically becomes a punching bag for Hulk


That's a pretty funny request since you know the character is synonymous with his hammer.

You are claiming that there is a significant disparity in strength between the two even though Marvel has gone out of it's way to portray that they are virtually equals in that regard.

There is no consistent disparity between the two when it comes to strength until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's a pretty funny request since you know the character is synonymous with his hammer.

You are claiming that there is a significant disparity in strength between the two even though Marvel has gone out of it's way to portray that they are virtually equals in that regard.

There is no consistent disparity between the two when it comes to strength until proven otherwise.

Just years of strength feats that shame thor's on average, the usual tendency of writers to give hulk the feat of strength and the fights in which thor lacks the hammer.

Take away the mallet and basically you handicap thor, likr you said, the mallet is part of his character, just like speed is part of flash or strength is part of hulk.

But this is an argument hulk fans should be having instead of me.

As for this thread solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>> Thor x 4

So I will stick to lobo, and I will rathe just leave it at that.

If you think otherwise, I have no problem with it, it is not my place to preach on the name of the gamma church, that is scam daddy's job

Originally posted by carver9
😕

Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Originally posted by carver9
😕

Can't tell if serious or not. Thor got rid of his hammer here and got DESTROYED. Complete annihilation to the point that he was black and blue in the face. Thor was enraged here.

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Impressive, but even though he lost himself at times he still had the wherewithal to pause at certain points because for fear of hurting innocents. Basically he was not fully enraged.

Another thing to note is Hulk had his main advantage when Thor thought twice about possibly killing him. Even though Hulk fared better overall, in the end there was no definitive winner since the fight was cut short and Thor was ready to go for another 12 rounds.

Thor having bruises does not mean anything since we all know his crazy damage soak.

Seriously?

The way I see things is that Thor HAD the advantage until He got rid of the Mallet, after that it was just basically one sided in favor of HULK who even leaves skipping on the sunset and Thor ends all bruised and bloodied from their fight.

Thor HAD the advantage until there was no hammer then, HULK WON

I guess this is the proverbial "eye of the beholder"

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Just years of strength feats that shame thor's on average, the usual tendency of writers to give hulk the feat of strength and the fights in which thor lacks the hammer.

Take away the mallet and basically you handicap thor, likr you said, the mallet is part of his character, just like speed is part of flash or strength is part of hulk.

But this is an argument hulk fans should be having instead of me.

As for this thread solar mass >>>>>>>>>>>> Thor x 4

So I will stick to lobo, and I will rathe just leave it at that.

If you think otherwise, I have no problem with it, it is not my place to preach on the name of the gamma church, that is scam daddy's job


He may consistently perform more strength feats, but it's silly to claim it shames Thor's.

Yes it is true Thor is ultimately more formidable with Mjolnir, but he definitely does not become helpless as you're trying to portray.

Ah so now we get to the crux of the matter. Your whole basis for your stance is to put down Kurse and his 4x Thor's strength, which ultimately puts down Thor. That kinda comes off a bit trolly.

So you throw away everything including relative showings and history for a one feat? That's sort of a slippery slope don't you think?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Seriously?

The way I see things is that Thor HAD the advantage until He got rid of the Mallet, after that it was just basically one sided in favor of HULK who even leaves skipping on the sunset and Thor ends all bruised and bloodied from their fight.

Thor HAD the advantage until there was no hammer then, HULK WON

I guess this is the proverbial "eye of the beholder"


Like i said Hulk faired better and if we were to impose rounds on that fight he won. But I also sid the fight ended prematurely with Hulk deciding to stop because of loss of anger and Thor about to go another 12. Bruised and bloodied does not mean much for a guy that has extremely high damage soak.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Shall we remember how hulk outperformed physically thor on a THOR comic when Thor did not have the mallet?

Logic dictates that betwen two guys with EQUAL strength but one having a warriors training and a mystical weapon should beat the crap out of the brute troglodite who only relies on strength, yet it almost never happens.

Maybe they are not as equal as many would like us to think they are.

That on top of the AVERAGE feats of strength between Hulk and Thor.

They might have been equal a loooong time ago, but those times are gone, IMO

planet busting is equal to 16.23333 times planet mass level.