Originally posted by quanchi112
You are jealous this movie was far better than Wonderwoman and her pitiful villain.
They should use someone like Faora as Wonder Woman's villain.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
But he discovers true friendship. 😄Sorry, had to.
But seriously, this movie is
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actually a serious blow for Asgard. They lost Odin, the Warriors Three, the vast majority of their fancy toys and artifacts, their army, and even their home itself. The only real upside is that Ragnarok did not actually bring about their entire extinction.Which is why I personally don't get some people's gripe with there not being enough stakes/after effects from the film. One of the biggest factions in the MCU was nearly driven to annihilation.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me? Stakes only matter to me if they matter as much to the characters. People listed off all of what Thor lost, and yet, why doesn't Thor seem that broken up about it? We get some glimpses, sure, but the movie more often than not takes what should be serious moments and makes jokes out of it. Look at Banner, for example. Dude's having a mental breakdown because of how worried he is about becoming the Hulk again. You worry for him because HE'S that worried about it. And yet, at the end of the movie, when he's supposed to have his big "people need the Hulk more than I need not to be him" moment, it becomes a joke when it could have been that movie's most epic moment.
The best example I can think of is Civil War. Imo it's one of the best Marvel movies (but not for the reasons some say it is). During the fight at the end, there's a point at which Cap says to Tony "This won't change anything", and Tony says:
"I don't care; he killed my mom."
It didn't matter whether I disagreed with Tony during the movie (I did). It didn't matter that he was a giant douchenozzle during the movie (he really was at times). You FELT his rage. His desire to straight up murder Bucky. I don't even like my own mother that much, but the moment was so well done that a part of me felt like if I was in Tony's position, I'd be trying to kill that metal-armed mother****er too.
Sure, you didn't believe that Bucky was actually going to die. BUT, you believed that Tony legitimately wanted to. He was actually trying to kill him without any hesitation. That's dramatic weight and tension. That's stakes. It's important to me because it's important to the character. I didn't get that with Thor, and I'm someone that in general will defend the first two movies to a point. I like Hemsworth as an actor. I think that, had they taken it a little more seriously, it would have made the movie far richer.
I get that I might be in the minority with this, and that's fine, but I really doubt I'm the only one that felt that way.
Originally posted by SlowpokeThey should have just done a better job with Ares.
They should use someone like Faora as Wonder Woman's villain.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh, I need to agree.Sony never should've rebooted it.
Sony boxed themselves in dreadfully with what they allowed on screen in Spider Man 3. Nobody wanted to deal with what was left of the mythos after that. A reboot was necessary. But the only one to wait for would be within the MCU.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me? Stakes only matter to me if they matter as much to the characters. People listed off all of what Thor lost, and yet, why doesn't Thor seem that broken up about it? We get some glimpses, sure, but the movie more often than not takes what should be serious moments and makes jokes out of it. Look at Banner, for example. Dude's having a mental breakdown because of how worried he is about becoming the Hulk again. You worry for him because HE'S that worried about it. And yet, at the end of the movie, when he's supposed to have his big "people need the Hulk more than I need not to be him" moment, it becomes a joke when it could have been that movie's most epic moment.The best example I can think of is Civil War. Imo it's one of the best Marvel movies (but not for the reasons some say it is). During the fight at the end, there's a point at which Cap says to Tony "This won't change anything", and Tony says:
"I don't care; he killed my mom."
It didn't matter whether I disagreed with Tony during the movie (I did). It didn't matter that he was a giant douchenozzle during the movie (he really was at times). You FELT his rage. His desire to straight up murder Bucky. I don't even like my own mother that much, but the moment was so well done that a part of me felt like if I was in Tony's position, I'd be trying to kill that metal-armed mother****er too.
Sure, you didn't believe that Bucky was actually going to die. BUT, you believed that Tony legitimately wanted to. He was actually trying to kill him without any hesitation. That's dramatic weight and tension. That's stakes. It's important to me because it's important to the character. I didn't get that with Thor, and I'm someone that in general will defend the first two movies to a point. I like Hemsworth as an actor. I think that, had they taken it a little more seriously, it would have made the movie far richer.
I get that I might be in the minority with this, and that's fine, but I really doubt I'm the only one that felt that way.
Eh, will have to agree to disagree here. Because I feel the complete opposite about Civil War. I felt like they ruined any kind of serious stakes they built up in that film when Steve sends Tony that letter in the end, which already sets up the redemption arc between those two, before the end credits even rolled. Even have a comment dropped in Spiderman: Homecoming about Tony making Cap a new shield, when they are loading stuff onto the plane at the end of the film. And the chances are good that any current "outlaw" heroes will get a pardon when Thanos arrives on Earth, because all hands will be needed on deck to face this threat. So, ultimately, other than some tension during the actual end fight (which, to me personally, wasn't even a great fight) the film did little to change things. Hell, they couldn't even keep Rhodey paralysed until the next film, and already had him in some kind of robo brace.
Whereas you can't bring everything the Asgardians lost back that easily. Because I am not just talking about Thor. I am talking about what that whole nation lost, and what effect that has on the broader Marvel, like the rest of the Nine Realms, with Asgard no longer overseeing things from a position of power. And I think Thor was feeling it, but he was just bottling things up because of the situation. Because there are moments, like during the one conversation with Loki (the first time his hands spark up without having Mjolnir), where a brief instance of the rage and pain he feels slips out, before he quickly adopts a more upbeat demeanor and starts to think up solutions. Even in the Dark World, he doesn't seem to grieve much for his dead mother before he refocuses on Malekith and the Aether.
Originally posted by -Pr-
"I don't care; he killed my mom."It didn't matter whether I disagreed with Tony during the movie (I did). It didn't matter that he was a giant douchenozzle during the movie (he really was at times). You FELT his rage. His desire to straight up murder Bucky. I don't even like my own mother that much, but the moment was so well done that a part of me felt like if I was in Tony's position, I'd be trying to kill that metal-armed mother****er too.
That whole scene was certainly set up well.
That said VaultDweller also has a point, that the big repercussion of the Avengers splitting up, is already started to be reconcilled by the end of the film.
So in terms of big repercussions, there was certainly a lot more in Thor. Sure it probably would have been felt more if they spent a little less time giving us jokes, and a few more scenes where we feel the emotion of all the loss.
That said, we had the more serious film with Civil War, so I didn't mind this being a more fun film (in terms of the tone), especially with the Hulk and Loki playing such big parts.