Originally posted by riv6672
I stand by my statements, and yes WW's creator did pioneer the lie detector.
Isn't it funny we're simultaneously arguing and agreeing about the same thing?
And on Xbox LIVE carter claimed I was wrong. I think Kitty-Cat realized he's the one that's wrong and doesn't want to make a fool of himself publicly.....AGAIN.
Originally posted by riv6672
All he needs do is Google "creator of the lie detector" if he doesnt believe you.
Moultin's name comes up, and one or two sites down he's attached to WW's crwation...
Oh, I already have one link of many I could post to show him I'm right. He never even gave a good reason why he says I'm wrong. But of course he was dodging it here because he knew I would prove him wrong. Just like he's avoiding my point about J'emm and the proto-Titans.
Originally posted by leonidas
where did black swap supes and bizarro's minds? and where was it that mm conceded that whoever blocked him from probing lex was superior? don't think i've seen either scan and i was pretty sure i'd read all of black's appearances.regardless, mm has interstellar feats and has linked all minds globally effortlessly. he made joker sane--briefly, which is more impressive to me than the bizarro feat. black MAY be the better tp but it's a difficult thing to prove because mm has so many good feats.
which is basically what i said.....though as i asked abhi--where did mm concede black could be more powerful? bottom line is they are very close and it may well depend on whether you factor in mm's low feats which in this case isn't entirely fair because black had too few appearances to really have low feats, though i guess his sister was ultimately able to defeat him in jl elite but she had help from manitou raven. that whole arc was weird...
And here is J'onn failing to read Bizarro's mind.
http://i.imgur.com/OurkVPz.jpg
So yeah, he is superior telepath IMO.
hmm, not sure i buy that as anything more than a simple off-hand comment. bizarro's brain works differently, but i don't see how anyone can say bizarro is more 'insane' than the joker.....his mind follows rules like a normal person's does, it just follows different rules. joker? no rules at all. i recall a scene where mm almost lost himself in the joker once as well....
it's certainly possible black>mm in the tp department though. in fact, after reading all this i'd tend to agree he is better, though i still say the margin in slight.
re: the speed of tp? no speedster has ever used speed to get off a tp assault before someone (another tp) could react to it in the history of comics to my knowledge. speed of thought is all over the place in comics and at times can be instantaneous and much faster than the speed of light. flash has flat out out run thought so he's a different beast altogether. i'm not even saying it doesn't make some logical sense. i'm just saying that it has never happened before and therefore it should be considered impossible and not a viable option in this match.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, not sure i buy that as anything more than a simple off-hand comment. bizarro's brain works differently, but i don't see how anyone can say bizarro is more 'insane' than the joker.....his mind follows rules like a normal person's does, it just follows different rules. joker? no rules at all. i recall a scene where mm almost lost himself in the joker once as well....it's certainly possible black>mm in the tp department though. in fact, after reading all this i'd tend to agree he is better, though i still say the margin in slight.
re: the speed of tp? no speedster has ever used speed to get off a tp assault before someone (another tp) could react to it in the history of comics to my knowledge. speed of thought is all over the place in comics and at times can be instantaneous and much faster than the speed of light. flash has flat out out run thought so he's a different beast altogether. i'm not even saying it doesn't make some logical sense. i'm just saying that it has never happened before and therefore it should be considered impossible and not a viable option in this match.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha, true, I haven't.I favour the speed argument.
Technique -wise, it's always hard to judge, but I give it to MM on skill.
Sheer power, though?
I think this is a split between the two, if speed isn't allowed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think so. J'onn has read Joker's mind and he couldn't even read Bizarro's mind. Making bizarro sane>>>>>>>>>>>not even being able to read his mind, don't you think?
lol when you say it like that. i was trying to find the book with mm and joker to review the scene but couldn't find it. any idea where it took place again?
bizarro has physiological differences as well. he's literally different physically. joker? joker is ALL darkness. i think equating the 2 is actually apples and oranges. i'd love to have seen black try taking on the joker's mind. i have no problem thinking he would not be able to do so. credit to you and delta for convincing me black could take this in tp, but like i said earlier i still think it's pretty damn close...
