Originally posted by psycho gundam
Yup. This happens so many times in this forum, literally the same people make threads that are thinly disguised as real threads when they're actually just a setup for the thread starter to promote their favorite character.The sad part is that abhi literally has nothing better to do right now than to make us all love superman in a convoluted manner.
This is better for a respect thread, not a false debate
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, he 'cleaned' it i think is the word. i wonder though how much of that was tp and how much was tk or a combo. the whole thing was sorta...odd imo. the shock wave of a nuclear blast drove him batty again, apparently, though the way he was sweating before the blast i don't know if he was fighting the control or afraid of the blast. strange. and i don't think mm really gave bizarro's mind anything more than a cursory glance, so what he may have accomplished had he really tried something more is hard to say. still black also had banshee and mongul (apparently) under control so again, a great feat, no doubt.
From what I remember, I took the scene as he was leaving Black's area of the "fix." But I'd have to reread it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree with Superman.
Urinecompetence and ignorance gave me a chuckle.
Originally posted by leonidas
have the scans but can't recall the issue number. i THINK spectre 51.http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/jokertheclownprince/jokermisc-jimspectre1d.jpg
it says spectre hadn't fully recovered but...that's a bit lame and regardless, a cool feat for the joker who instantly took command of the spectre. making joker sane is a truly uber feat, even if it only lasted for a short time.
Spectre not having recovered yet is Ostrander's way of saying that Joker wouldn't be able to do that unless the Spectre was weakened.
In their following encounter in the Joker Last Laugh tie in (Hal-Spectre this time), it was stated that manipulating Joker's mind would have been easy:
http://i.imgur.com/96n6VjD.jpg?1
Not that it's not impressive from Joker's part. Taking control over a weakened Spectre is still very impressive.
Originally posted by operator616
Spectre not having recovered yet is Ostrander's way of saying that Joker wouldn't be able to do that unless the Spectre was weakened.In their following encounter in the Joker Last Laugh tie in (Hal-Spectre this time), it was stated that manipulating Joker's mind would have been easy:
http://i.imgur.com/96n6VjD.jpg?1
Not that it's not impressive from Joker's part. Taking control over a weakened Spectre is still very impressive.
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i must be missing something. the scan says SHOULD have been easy, not WOULD have been, which is a big difference, but then we see hal what, being blasted away...? was that emperor joker? what's the next scan? anyway, loads of characters THINK something 'should' be easy and are proven wrong.... not saying a full powered spectre couldn't do it--full powered spectre can do about anything, but as i said earlier we have no idea just how 'weak' the spectre was and he really didn't seem weak aside from that comment. but i agree, impressive regardless.
Originally posted by leonidas
😕i must be missing something. the scan says SHOULD have been easy, not WOULD have been, which is a big difference, but then we see hal what, being blasted away...? was that emperor joker? what's the next scan? anyway, loads of characters THINK something 'should' be easy and are proven wrong....
No. It was during Joker's Last Laugh story. Where Joker thought he was dying and started jokerizing most of the super villain community which he became psychically connected to and his mind was enhanced. So it says "should" because the Joker wasn't his standard self. He was enhanced by his psychic connection to the jokerized characters. Here are the consecutive scans:
http://i.imgur.com/VL7ufvv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltFwovI.jpg
Basically, what that scan is saying is, standard Joker should have been easily mindraped, but this enhanced Joker wasn't.
Originally posted by leonidas
not saying a full powered spectre couldn't do it--full powered spectre can do about anything, but as i said earlier we have no idea just how 'weak' the spectre was and he really didn't seem weak aside from that comment. but i agree, impressive regardless.
Well, in the story prior to Spectre v3 #51, Spectre was about to die since he was stabbed by the spear multiple times. Which IS capable of killing him.
Just saying. Im pretty sure that Joker's take over was specifically attributed to Spectre not being recovered.
But yeah, impressive regardless.
Originally posted by operator616
No. It was during Joker's Last Laugh story. Where Joker thought he was dying and started jokerizing most of the super villain community which he became psychically connected to and his mind was enhanced. So it says "should" because the Joker wasn't his standard self. He was enhanced by his psychic connection to the jokerized characters. Here are the consecutive scans:http://i.imgur.com/VL7ufvv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltFwovI.jpgBasically, what that scan is saying is, standard Joker should have been easily mindraped, but this enhanced Joker wasn't.
Well, in the story prior to Spectre v3 #51, Spectre was about to die since he was stabbed by the spear multiple times. Which IS capable of killing him.
Just saying. Im pretty sure that Joker's take over was specifically attributed to Spectre not being recovered.
But yeah, impressive regardless.
ah, cool. i wonder though just how amped he was? i like that spectre himself says that the joker's mind is formidable though. i guess unquantifiable weakness on spectre's part and unquantifiable amp on joker's part. even if he was amped by...however much, he didn't even notice spectre in his head. even amped that is a very good feat. all the madness in creation? lol yeah, joker's mind is a bad place.
Originally posted by leonidas
ah, cool. i wonder though just how amped he was? i like that spectre himself says that the joker's mind is formidable though. i guess unquantifiable weakness on spectre's part and unquantifiable amp on joker's part. even if he was amped by...however much, he didn't even notice spectre in his head. even amped that is a very good feat. all the madness in creation? lol yeah, joker's mind is a bad place.
Unknown since there wasn't any specific mention of it throughout the story.
We know that it amped Joker from being able to get easily mindraped by Hal-Spectre, to owning him.
