Originally posted by quanchi112Superman is significantly stronger than Thor by feats. If Marvel was his physical equal then Marvel would be stronger by the same margin as well. This means that Marvel could be stronger than Kurse or within the vicinity of him.
Kurse defeats marvel the physical equal to Superman by being physically on another level.
Now, character statements mean absolutely nothing when on panel evidence contradicts them.
Superman and CM are peers when Superman has his mental blocks on. With those mental blocks Superman can't access his true power and thus he believes he is already using all his might. So his statement isn't quite invalid.
It was retcon that once Superman releases those mental blocks then he is significantly more powers (more than 5x). Read OWAW and DOS.
So in normal everyday circumstances
CM IS SUPERMAN'S PHYSICAL PEER
But in the extreme cases where Superman's mental blocks are dropped
SUPERMAN IS SIGNIFICANTLY PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR TO CM
With that said, CM will win because he is in the vicinity of Kurse in strength BUT a shitload faster. His perceptions will see Kurse moving in slow motion.
Originally posted by h1a8How on earth you are allowed to post these flat out lies in every thread that has superman in it is just plane incredible. Superman has NEVER had freaking mental blocks that keeps him from accessing his powers and he can drop anything he wants but he has NEVER in his life went from equals to CM,BM to gaining 5x a strength increase over them. You keep bring up OWAW or DOS??? In OWAW, was DD 5x stronger than superman?? Was DOS DD 5x stronger than superman?? Doomsday destroyed probes. In PLENTY of superman comics it is flat out stated that superman has gotten a little bit stronger and that he felt stronger than ever and that was only a small increase. He has been amped and gotten stronger yet never went 5x over his strength on panel and clear as day. He has went all out against WW, BA and plenty others and has NEVER gained a 5x strength increase. There is not a writer, editor, narrator, character be it friend or foe that has ever made such a claim. IT IS YOU that dream up this crap. By your twisted logic, OWAW and DOS doomsday was 5x stronger than superman in the beginning of each story. In one story you claim he himself dropped his BS mental blocks, yet in another someone in another has to teach him to drop them while claiming that he put BS blocks on himself and then forgot or threw away the keys so that he cannot access his true strength that he has shown PLENTY of times ON PANEL and stated as clear as day. CHRIST! 🙁
Superman is significantly stronger than Thor by feats. If Marvel was his physical equal then Marvel would be stronger by the same margin as well. This means that Marvel could be stronger than Kurse or within the vicinity of him.Now, character statements mean absolutely nothing when on panel evidence contradicts them.
Superman and CM are peers when Superman has his mental blocks on. With those mental blocks Superman can't access his true power and thus he believes he is already using all his might. So his statement isn't quite invalid.
It was retcon that once Superman releases those mental blocks then he is significantly more powers (more than 5x). Read OWAW and DOS.So in normal everyday circumstances
[B] CM IS SUPERMAN'S PHYSICAL PEER
But in the extreme cases where Superman's mental blocks are dropped
SUPERMAN IS SIGNIFICANTLY PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR TO CMWith that said, CM will win because he is in the vicinity of Kurse in strength BUT a shitload faster. His perceptions will see Kurse moving in slow motion. [/B]
Originally posted by JBL
How on earth you are allowed to post these flat out lies in every thread that has superman in it is just plane incredible. Superman has NEVER had freaking mental blocks that keeps him from accessing his powers and he can drop anything he wants but he has NEVER in his life went from equals to CM,BM to gaining 5x a strength increase over them. You keep bring up OWAW or DOS??? In OWAW, was DD 5x stronger than superman?? Was DOS DD 5x stronger than superman?? Doomsday destroyed probes. In PLENTY of superman comics it is flat out stated that superman has gotten a little bit stronger and that he felt stronger than ever and that was only a small increase. He has been amped and gotten stronger yet never went 5x over his strength on panel and clear as day. He has went all out against WW, BA and plenty others and has NEVER gained a 5x strength increase. There is not a writer, editor, narrator, character be it friend or foe that has ever made such a claim. IT IS YOU that dream up this crap. By your twisted logic, OWAW and DOS doomsday was 5x stronger than superman in the beginning of each story. In one story you claim he himself dropped his BS mental blocks, yet in another someone in another has to teach him to drop them while claiming that he put BS blocks on himself and then forgot or threw away the keys so that he cannot access his true strength that he has shown PLENTY of times ON PANEL and stated as clear as day. CHRIST! 🙁
There is a difference IMO. We may disagree, you can reread both fights and compare.
Superman vs WW. Blind with rage and hate. Trying to make her suffer and kill her in the end (or trying to kill her from the go, which version the people read out of it, it's up to them).
Superman vs the Probes, where he plows through them, without emotion, in cold blood if you wish, effective, focused. And we shouldn't forget that single probes could defeat the entire JLA and WW too, a fight between her and a probe (in her Battlearmor w/weapons) alsmost killed her.
Raging everyone becomes stronger.
Calm and focused like OWAW he dropps his mental blockades and becomes just a killing machine.
Against the probes:
]"It has become primal. . . . He has put those thoughts aside, numbing himself into the necessary state of violence. . . .
Now comes the important part, that makes all the difference between the two fights
the destruction of so many probes has demonstrated an important lesson to him...that in war, EMOTION can hinder the ultimate goal... TO WIN[b/]
AS his "partner" is truly destruction [b]personified, so has he [Superman] become . . . he has cut loose..."
But it doesn't stop here, no:
So he plows ahead, confident in his powers, confident in his mindset and his decisions....
he thinks of Lois, he thinks of his parents, but only for a moment, such THOUGHS are dangerous, he knows that NOW.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeThat is what mongul taught him, to fight like hell, to drop that BS caring crap and go kick ass. Superman did not get stronger, he got violent and only thought about winning. There was no strength increase, just letting go and fighting like doomsday was, not giving a damn and thinking about nothing but winning. Fighting while thinking about others IS a distraction and will hinder your fighting abilities, doomsday did not have that problem, he wanted to destroy. superman had to do the same.
There is a difference IMO. We may disagree, you can reread both fights and compare.Superman vs WW. Blind with rage and hate. Trying to make her suffer and kill her in the end (or trying to kill her from the go, which version the people read out of it, it's up to them).
Superman vs the Probes, where he plows through them, without emotion, in cold blood if you wish, effective, focused. And we shouldn't forget that single probes could defeat the entire JLA and WW too, a fight between her and a probe (in her Battlearmor w/weapons) alsmost killed her.Raging everyone becomes stronger.
Calm and focused like OWAW he dropps his mental blockades and becomes just a killing machine.Against the probes:
]"It has become [b]primal
. . . . He has put those thoughts aside, numbing himself into the necessary state of violence. . . .
Now comes the important part, that makes all the difference between the two fights
the destruction of so many probes has demonstrated an important lesson to him...that in war, EMOTION can hinder the ultimate goal... TO WIN[b/]AS his "partner" is truly destruction [b]personified
, so has he [Superman] become . . . he has cut loose..."But it doesn't stop here, no:
So he plows ahead, confident in his powers, confident in his mindset and his decisions....
he thinks of Lois, he thinks of his parents, but only for a moment, such THOUGHS are dangerous, he knows that NOW. [/B]
Originally posted by JBL
That is what mongul taught him, to fight like hell, to drop that BS caring crap and go kick ass. Superman did not get stronger, he got violent and only thought about winning. There was no strength increase, just letting go and fighting like doomsday was, not giving a damn and thinking about nothing but winning.
Cut loose = dropping mental blockades.
Mental blockades = pulling his punches, so he doesn't kill.
He has dynamic strength and mental blockades since years.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeNot true.
Cut loose = dropping mental blockades.Mental blockades = pulling his punches, so he doesn't kill.
He has dynamic strength and mental blockades since years.
Mental blockades= pulling his punches, so he doesn't kill normal people or foes that cannot take it.
How can he have dynamic strength and at the same time have mental blocks that keep him from accessing that strength? So he gets stronger but cannot use it? But he can sun amp and use his strength? Never had dynamic strength or mental blocks the way his fans explain it.
Originally posted by JBL
Not true.
Cut loose= stop thinking about others and destroy.Mental blockades= pulling his punches, so he doesn't kill normal people or foes that cannot take it.
How can he have dynamic strength and at the same time have mental blocks that keep him from accessing that strength? So he gets stronger but cannot use it? But he can sun amp and use his strength? Never had dynamic strength or mental blocks the way his fans explain it.
Look at his fights against the Probs before he cut loose and after.
Notice the difference?
He can dropp them in extreme situations, OWAW, against DS (like in the animated series).
Only in extreme situations.
He can amp and dip to get stronger for other situations.
The Probes were touger than all heralds in OWAW, the JLA, Daxamites. There are no foes that could take it normally, so he has to pull them, else the fights would be short and superman a killer, which he doesn' want to be. Finally you understand 😉.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeThat is simply not true at all. But you can believe what you want. Lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that. But i will say this. look at spiderman vs firelord before he cut loose and after. There are PLENTY other examples. Spiderman and PLENTY others now have mental blocks to drop and get 5x stronger or is it something else? Enjoy your day.
Look at his fights against the Probs before he cut loose and after.
Notice the difference?He can dropp them in extreme situations, OWAW, against DS (like in the animated series).
Only in extreme situations.
He can amp and dip to get stronger for other situations.The Probes were touger than all heralds in OWAW, the JLA, Daxamites. There are no foes that could take it normally, so he has to pull them, else the fights would be short and superman a killer, which he doesn' want to be. Finally you understand 😉.
Originally posted by JBL
That is simply not true at all.
FILTHY LIES!
Superman's battles with the probes are clearly indicative of the disparity between him holding back and being unleashed. The issue of dynamic strength couldn't be made any clearer.
If it wasn't dynamic strength, what do you credit the latter probe performance to?