Originally posted by abhilegendmmm
Originally posted by Galan007
"Superman beat the shit out of Cap"..? what a hilariously biased exaggeration of the truth.taking into consideration the mid-battle cut-scenes and whatnot, the battle you posted lasted nearly an entire friggin' issue, and superman only gained any sort of clear advantage on the very last page--prior to that, they were stalemating. essentially, all those scans do is prove what most have been saying this entire time: they are peers/near-equals, with the advantage ultimately swaying toward superman. if they *weren't* peers/near-equals, the battle wouldn't have lasted nearly as long.
IOW, what we have all pretty much been saying (apart from quan, I guess, and h1, who is in the other extreme).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85What have I said that was extreme here ? The comics support the notion they are strength peers but I acknowledge Superman has the slight edge formidability wise against Cap. I also believe Kurse is physically on another level thereby giving him the victory here.
IOW, what we have all pretty much been saying (apart from quan, I guess, and h1, who is in the other extreme).
Originally posted by quanchi112
What have I said that was extreme here ? The comics support the notion they are strength peers but I acknowledge Superman has the slight edge formidability wise against Cap. I also believe Kurse is physically on another level thereby giving him the victory here.
I just read it as you saying they were equals, rather than peers. Which, relative to the rest of the thread, makes you an extreme.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IOW, what we have all pretty much been saying (apart from quan, I guess, and h1, who is in the other extreme).
Actually, I accepted that they were peers in physicality when Superman's mental blocks are on. But when they are off (OWAW or DOS) then Superman is on another level than Cap.
Anyway, Superman would be Cap very easily even if they are physical peers. Superman fought Cap stupidly. Superman has HV, freeze breath, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8The writer in that statement mentioned NOTHING about being close in strength until superman cuts off his mental blocks. I am 100% positive the writer knows the other superman writers and they ALL know about superman strength and how he can get stronger.I am sure he was talking about other writers who had them equals but he was unsure in HIS opinion. It seems strange that mental blocks NEVER come up when talking about strength between the two, so if thats the case,then CM and BA have mental blocks that they can cut on and off to match superman under ANY conditions and BA is stated to be stronger than CM and was said by writers to possibly outmatch both superman and CM.
Actually, I accepted that they were peers in physicality when Superman's mental blocks are on. But when they are off (OWAW or DOS) then Superman is on another level than Cap.Anyway, Superman would be Cap very easily even if they are physical peers. Superman fought Cap stupidly. Superman has HV, freeze breath, etc.
Originally posted by JBL
The writer in that statement mentioned NOTHING about being close in strength until superman cuts off his mental blocks. I am 100% positive the writer knows the other superman writers and they ALL know about superman strength and how he can get stronger.I am sure he was talking about other writers who had them equals but he was unsure in HIS opinion. It seems strange that mental blocks NEVER come up when talking about strength between the two, so if thats the case,then CM and BA have mental blocks that they can cut on and off to match superman under ANY conditions and BA is stated to be stronger than CM and was said by writers to possibly outmatch both superman and CM.
Kurse wins.
So are you going to take-up my challenge? Your excuses are invalid because everything you're claiming is not how battlezone debates work. Only the participants, judges and ref are allowed to post in the topic until it's over, so no "Superman fans polluting" the debate. The judges are greed on by both parties to reduce bias and make things as neutral as possible. Really at this point you're either incapable of getting this, or you know you'll lose and are desperate to say no in a way that saves face(and it doesn't).
Originally posted by Delta1938Dude, captain marvel does not have dynamic strength nor mental blocks and even writers say they are equals or close in strength, it does not get any clearer than that. Go challenge the writers, they are the ones that let that FACT be known. I dont have to prove anything, the writers and creators have done a very nice job of proving it for me. That little scan you see posted on here ends your challenge because it was your word against mines until someone put up that scan and mistakenly ended your argument. Why would i waste my time trying to prove something that the writers themselves have proven for me? Move on, find something else. By the way... Kurse stomps CM. Damn cigs are going to be the death of me 😮💨
So are you going to take-up my challenge? Your excuses are invalid because everything you're claiming is not how battlezone debates work. Only the participants, judges and ref are allowed to post in the topic until it's over, so no "Superman fans polluting" the debate. The judges are greed on by both parties to reduce bias and make things as neutral as possible. Really at this point you're either incapable of getting this, or you know you'll lose and are desperate to say no in a way that saves face(and it doesn't).
Originally posted by JBL
Dude, captain marvel does not have dynamic strength nor mental blocks and even writers say they are equals or close in strength, it does not get any clearer than that. Go challenge the writers, they are the ones that let that FACT be known. I dont have to prove anything, the writers and creators have done a very nice job of proving it for me. That little scan you see posted on here ends your challenge because it was your word against mines until someone put up that scan and mistakenly ended your argument. Why would i waste my time trying to prove something that the writers themselves have proven for me? Move on, find something else. By the way... Kurse stomps CM. Damn cigs are going to be the death of me 😮💨
Why don't you just admit you're afraid to take the challenge, instead of making a long winded rant that tries to make you look like you know more about Superman than you do, and make you look cool, while epically failing at both? If it's so cut and dry like you think, then it should be easy for you to beat me according to a fairly neutral panel of judges and get me banned for a month. But you keep making excuses because you know I'll destroy you.
Originally posted by Delta1938I have seen what the writers think on the subject, i could not care less what you think. There is no need for further discussion. Take it how you want. Have a good day.
Why don't you just admit you're afraid to take the challenge, instead of making a long winded rant that tries to make you look like you know more about Superman than you do, and make you look cool, while epically failing at both? If it's so cut and dry like you think, then it should be easy for you to beat me according to a fairly neutral panel of judges and get me banned for a month. But you keep making excuses because you know I'll destroy you.
Kurse wins,debate that.......
Originally posted by Delta1938
Why don't you just admit you're afraid to take the challenge, instead of making a long winded rant that tries to make you look like you know more about Superman than you do, and make you look cool, while epically failing at both? If it's so cut and dry like you think, then it should be easy for you to beat me according to a fairly neutral panel of judges and get me banned for a month. But you keep making excuses because you know I'll destroy you.
He does not want you to penetrate him, because you are not a pineapple.
On topic CM wins 👆
